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The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007 at 7:14 PM
Joe Drouillard  (Login northviewcats)

Hello Everyone,

Was anyone else watching the auction of an old Pittsburg Crawford photo album that just finished on ebay? I wanted to get in on the bidding until it reached $800.00. Some neat photos but are they really worth over $3,000 bucks? Here is the link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170070108333&rd=1&rd=1

Best wishes,

Joe

 
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Judge Dred (Fred)
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 7:27 PM 

Of bidders 14-17, only bidder 15 (the winner) is known. These last four bidders were placed in the last 11 seconds. It would be interesting to know who bidders 14, 16 and 17 are. There identity could provide a little insight about who know's who in the pictures.

My guess is that someone recognized a very important player(s) in the photos. I'd sure like to know who the players are. Unbeknownst to most of us I'd bet money that there's probably a Paige or Gibson or some other great player in that grouping. I can't wait to find out WHO!

 
 
Judge Dred (Fred)
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 7:38 PM 

Greg,

Please don't keep us in suspense too long....

Does anyone want to tell us if they were bidders 14, 16 or 17?

 
 
bill
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 7:40 PM 

looks like maybe josh gibson on the team photo
2nd guy from the right kneeling

bill

 
 

Bottom of the Ninth
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 7:43 PM 

Fred,

I was going blind. I may very well have tossed 4K into the trash. I would also like to know who the other bidders were. Once I get it I will do the proper research on it and report back. It is an awesome looking item nonetheless.

Greg

 
 
Joe Drouillard
(Login northviewcats)

Crawford pictures

January 17 2007, 7:51 PM 

I don't think you threw anything in the trash. I've been watching that auction for several days. The photos are in great shape and probably an important addition to the history of the negro leagues.

 
 

Dan Bretta
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Network 54 Moderator

Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 7:59 PM 

I tried throughout the week to match faces and I think one of the guys might be Cool Papa Bell.

 
 
bruce dorskind
(Login Yankeefan51)

A Museum Quality Piece

January 17 2007, 8:02 PM 



For the past quarter century we have been active collectors and buyers
of rare Negro League items.

We have donated a cadre of special pieces to the Negro League
Museum in Kansas City, and recently spoke with a noted trustee
with regard to our additional ideas to promote the museum.

We were a bidder on this item, and were quite surprised to
see the flurry of last minute activity.

Several real photo post cards that we own of the Pittsburgh Crawfords
as well a McFarland Publishing book on the Crawford could be used
to identify a number of the players pictured in the album

It is our sincere hope that the winner donate, or at least loan, the
album to the Negro League Museum


Best,


Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

 
 

Dan Bretta
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Network 54 Moderator

Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 17 2007, 8:07 PM 


 
 
Kyle
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seller

January 17 2007, 8:52 PM 

According to a conversation my buddy had with the seller, no Paige or Gibson... the seller knew to check for each of them.

Crazy price though!
-Kyle-


 
 

Ryan Christoff
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Crazy

January 18 2007, 12:17 AM 

The closing price on this album was outrageous. This is NOT the Pittsburgh Crawfords of the Negro Leagues. There is no one important in any of the photos. It is probably from the 1920s, not the 30s as stated, and is likely a local semi-pro team. If this is the case, I suppose you could say this is the team that eventually became the Pittsburgh Crawfords. It's possible a couple of those guys played for the professional Crawfords later on, but no one major.

It is also possible this is just a local team from Crawford, Texas or some other city named Crawford.

The lady who sold it deals in photos and knows nothing about baseball or the Negro Leagues. She did some rudimentary research over the internet and determined that it was the Pittsburgh Crawfords of the Negro Leagues. I don't believe there was any deception involved on her part, although I did make her aware that it was not the same Crawfords she mentioned in her description.

Having said that, I thought the images depicted on the photos were outstanding and I had a snipe in just based on that. Of course, it closed for four times what my snipe was set at.

Had it been the actual Crawfords I would have gladly bid over $5,000 on it. Probably a lot more. And I doubt I would have won it.

Very nice images, though. Definitely the most interesting item on ebay in the past few weeks, if you ask me.

-Ryan

 
 
ramram
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 2:11 AM 

This photo is from the birth of the Pittsburgh Crawfords. Ryan's estimation is correct. This photo would be from the 1920s when the team was still more of a town team. It soon would blossom into the professional team in the 30's. Probably nobody famous in the photo but still a VERY important image from the early years of this team.

If you look closely at the photo in the ebay auction note the "RC" on the left sleeve of the player in the middle row, left side (also the player in the front row). That stands for the Pittsburgh Crawfords Recreation Center. Check the link below and note the left side of their uniform sleeves as well as the title of the photo:

http://www.carnegielibrary.org/exhibit/neighborhoods/hill/hill_n255.html

Rob M.

(edited to get the website corrected)


    
This message has been edited by ramramram on Jan 18, 2007 12:32 PM


 
 
ramram
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 2:39 AM 

Actually, I wouldn't totally rule out the possibility of a young Josh Gibson being in the team photo or in one of the other photos. He played for the semi-pro Crawfords from 1927 - 1929 when he was still a teenager (He was 16 when he joined them in 1927). A couple of the players in the back row look quite young, especially the two that are still in their street clothes. Gibson grew to be 6'-1" but was likely shorter than that when he was 16.

Rob M.

 
 

Ryan Christoff
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Josh Gibson

January 18 2007, 3:43 AM 

Rob,

Actually, I think that's Jim Thorpe in the back row. Or Joe Jackson.

-Ryan

 
 
ramram
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 9:27 AM 

Ryan, I'd have to disagree. I don't see Thorpe or Jackson in that photo. :p

I don't necessarily see Gibson in the photo either but if he's not in the photo it's a shame. That was the team he played on in the late 1920's. Both of those teams are wearing the Crawfords Rec Center uniforms and that team, from the late 1920's, eventually became the Pittsburgh Crawfords.

Rob M.

 
 

Ryan Christoff
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album

January 18 2007, 9:45 AM 

No Gibson there. I did take another look at those pics, though. Man, those are some great images. They really seem to capture the essence of the Negro Leagues. The fans in the background, the buildings, the condition of the fields, the guys in street clothes pitching, amazing!

I think I spoke too soon when I said the price was outrageous and crazy. Images like that have value even if they are anonymous. When they are a pre-Crawfords team, all the better.

I wouldn't have paid the closing price, but after looking at those great pics again it doesn't seem so high.

Whether the price was cheap or expensive, it's a great pick-up.

-Ryan

 
 
barrysloate
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The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 11:41 AM 

Now the question is will the album stay intact or be busted up?

 
 

Max Weder
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Chatlist

Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 11:46 AM 

Barry

You know where my vote lies. A document such as this has tremendous historical value if kept together. It's not cards, it's not real photo postcards.

Max

 
 

Bottom of the Ninth
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Huh?

January 18 2007, 11:46 AM 

The album's significance is primarily due to its completeness. It tells a story. This is not like a set of cards.

 
 

Jeff Lichtman
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Re: The Pittsburg Crawford Photo Album Just Went Off on Ebay

January 18 2007, 11:56 AM 

Greg, some of those pictures seem trimmed. Perhaps you could find someone to soak and stretch them a bit.....

 
 
 
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