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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007 at 2:29 PM

leon  (Premier Login leonl)
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This will be for sale soon in auction....more details coming....Thanks so much to the person allowing this preview to Net54 board members.....I don't want to give anymore details at the moment....thanks again...


 
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barrysloate
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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 2:34 PM 

If June 1906 is the date these were issued, we are going to have to revise the rookie card list. Wouldn't we have a new Cobb rookie, among others?

 
 

leon
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Barry

May 27 2007, 2:35 PM 

I believe that date is relating to the Food Act it's describing on the box, not the box itself, necessarily.....

 
 
barrysloate
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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 2:52 PM 

True, but we don't know, and this box could possibly change our idea of when this set was issued.

 
 

Joann
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:00 PM 

Well here's a dumb-a$$ question. What was the product being sold? What is a baseball snap shot? If they cite FDA, was it a candy product?

Very very cool item. Thanks Leon.

One interesting thing I take from this is that some cards have one hand cut edge, and others have two. Of course, most of the cards are hand cut on all four sides, but knowing how many sides actually had to be hand cut just to detach the card from the body of the piece is still interesting.

Joann

 
 
barrysloate
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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:10 PM 

I once had a common that was oversized and revealed some of that black and white finish above the white line. Now I understand it better.

 
 

Joann
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:15 PM 

Dang. I have hated these kinds of visual problems ever since they started showing up on standardized tests on grade school.

I can't mentally fold this thing up into anything at all that makes sense. What the heck was it??

And one more question - Leon do you know if this piece is the entire original object, or is there some that is still cut off? The top edge looks unnatural compared to some of the others.

Joann

 
 

Dan Bretta
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:15 PM 

Looking at this box I think it contained candy or gum, but the box was supposed to resemble a box camera which was very popular at that time. I'm guessing the kids would cut out the little photos and pretend they were photos that they took of the ballplayers.

That is one cool item Leon. Can you tell us when and where it will be auctioned?

edited to add: I just printed that out, cut it out and put it together and I think I'm exactly right. It resembles a box camera.


    
This message has been edited by slidekellyslide on May 27, 2007 3:31 PM


 
 
robert a
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:40 PM 

Unbelieveable.

Thanks Leon for sharing this.

Rob

 
 
barrysloate
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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 3:56 PM 

It is a camera. Can you see the players faces through the little hole?

 
 

Dan Bretta
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:00 PM 

You would have to poke holes in the top for light to come in so I don't think it was meant to be a "viewer" type of toy. Just a little camera and 4 snapshots...and probably some gum or candy.

I can't find anything on the internet about a Jay S. Meyer company in philly. Someone who lives in or near there could probably find out more with a trip to the local library or historical society.

 
 
robert a
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:12 PM 

Those are all E97s shown on the box!


 
 

Dan Bretta
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:14 PM 

Aren't all of the W555 photos the same as on various E sets?

 
 
robert a
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:17 PM 

The w555s are found with poses from e93, e94, e97, and e98, but this box only has e97s.

Perhaps there were different series' of w555 and those correspond with the 4 e sets above?


 
 

Dan Bretta
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:20 PM 

Interesting. I can't wait to hear the rest of the story on this box. Who had it? How long has it been known? Where was it found and when?

THIS is what makes this board the best.

 
 

Steve f
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 4:35 PM 

Who in the heck saves 'trash' for a hundred years?.. Thanks for posting.


 
 
Al C.risafulli
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 5:32 PM 

It does appear to me to be some sort of pinhole camera. If you fold up the box and poke a hole in it in the circle, that is.

It would stand to reason in my mind that the box contained film. Perhaps not plausible if they were issued in 1906, though.

But something seems weird about the W555s to me. Up until just a few months ago, I'd never seen one with anything more than just a tiny bit of black edge. Most were cut right down to the picture. I recognized this becuase W555 was a card type I was looking for.

Then, all of a sudden, a few months ago I started seeing them in bunches with four black edges. They seemed to come from out of nowhere. My initial reaction was "Oh, wow, whatever box they were cut from was black." Then my second reaction was "Wow, where did all these W555s come from, and why do they all have four black edges when I'd never seen one like that before?"

Now, here's a full box, from out of nowhere. Nobody ever knew where these cards came from, and now here's a box.

Cool item, though.

-Al


    
This message has been edited by Novocent on May 27, 2007 5:33 PM


 
 

scott brockelman
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Trimmed W555's

May 27 2007, 5:59 PM 

As you can see, and as I have maintained for years, true full size W555's will have 1-2 rounded corners and full border. I have handled many of these in their original state albeit detached from the entire piece seen here. I have always insisted the cut to the white or even black edges are "trimmed", even though each major grading service has continued to slab them as high grade. If they are not in this original full size as shown above they are trimmed, thus making it very easy to cut them down and send in for a 84 or 86 grade which is just plain wrong.

Scott

 
 
barrysloate
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Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 6:03 PM 

Scott- are you saying the full border should go past the first line all the way to the second line to be considered complete?

 
 

Dan Bretta
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Re: Where W555's originated

May 27 2007, 6:05 PM 

It looks to me like they were intended to be cut at the white line so they would have a border.

 
 
 
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