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Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 9 2007 at 10:59 PM
MikeU  (Login FYS)

 
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=595763

Also, I saw somebody ask you this question before, but I did not see the answer. Are you the same Kevin Saucier that pitched for the Tigers?


 
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David Vargha
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 9 2007, 11:06 PM 

He is not.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

 
 

Kevin
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 2:04 AM 

"You may still be in luck"
"Are you the same Kevin Saucier that pitched for the Tigers?"


the answer to both - no I am not.

I really did offer my specialty w/o talking salary...yet. He said bringing me in as part of their senior team wouldn't be fair to the other graders who have been there for so long. No shock there.

What more could Joe want? I offerred to test his senior graders...LOL.

Feel free to blitz ol' Joe with posts and emails about the doctored cards blowing past them at an alarming rate. Maybe he will get the message when some of the hobbies top collecotrs tell him he has a costly problem that needs to be addressed. He might actually consider putting someone in place that could potentially do some good.

Yeah right....that wouldn't be fair.

 
 
Peter Spaeth
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 8:52 AM 

As long as the revenue numbers are good, and I can only presume they are, I don't think Joe will perceive that he has a problem.

 
 
JimCrandell
(Login Davalillo)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 8:56 AM 

Peter,

I agree--submissions are running at record levels, grading continues to increase in popularity and they are adding to their grading staff.

No issues as far as they are concerned and as per one dealer/poster here they have two long time graders that they believe are the best in the hobby.

Jim

 
 

Wesley
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 11:16 AM 

If PSA is unwilling to hire Kevin, maybe Kevin can start his own premium grading service.

 
 
JimCrandell
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 11:28 AM 

Kevin,

Since you are open to a career change, interested in cards and have a real expertise, I think you ought to take a serious look at this. Send me an e-mail if you want my detailed thoughts but I think there may be room in the marketplace for a high-end grading company. Focus on cards with a market value over $1,000, offer a detailed description of the card along with the grade, tamper-proof technology and really specialize in studying the card. For that you could charge maybe $50 per card.

The major grading companies can't offer this as they would compete with themselves.

Find a partner with a stellar reputation--say Derek Grady--and off you go.

Jim

 
 

Wesley
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 12:43 PM 

Would Kevin's service be for inspection and authentication only? Or would he slab the cards with his own label with a grade?

 
 

JK
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 12:49 PM 

Jim, are you offering to bankroll this new endeavor as well as the research and development of a new tamper proof slab?

 
 
D.C. Markel
(Login WhenItWasAHobby)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 12:50 PM 

It's a given that Kevin's services will be backed up by an iron-clad buyback policy - correct?

 
 
JimCrandell
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:03 PM 

JK,

Bankroll--no/promise him some business--yes.

Jim

 
 

Kevin Saucier
(Login only_child)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:08 PM 

In truth, the concept is not a bad idea. Not to grade but to validate.

IMO any card valued at over $1,000 deserves a 10-15 min pixel by pixel exam...using inspection tools and not just an eagle eye.

Since we all know altered cards are getting past w/o a problem, would I be wrong to think the value would increase if a slabbed card was verified unaltered? Kinda' like a USDA or UL approved label (LOL).


Kevin Sacuier

 
 
JimCrandell
(Login Davalillo)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:17 PM 

Kevin,

Thats a fascinating idea. Do you think you could provide that sort of a high value service without removing the cards from there holders.

Homestly, if a dealer I don't know well was selling a psa 8 pre-war card that I needed, I probably would not bid. But with the Kevin Saucier seal of approval--no question!

Jim

 
 

Kevin Saucier
(Login only_child)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:39 PM 

My best guess is that 80% of slabbed cards can be inspected without much difficulty. Granted it is much easier and better to examine raw but it can and has been done several times. That's part of the reason it takes so long to inspect.

Problems would be tight gaskets or holders. Plus, since they have already been slabbed, these will not be hack jobs. It would still be just an opinion based on objective findings.

A small inexpensive security hologram validating the unaltered card (slab or flip) could be placed in an unassuming area.

Just thinking out loud here.


Kevin

 
 
JimCrandell
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:42 PM 

Seriously Kevin, I think its a great idea. Over time you could see premiums develop for cards that have the Kevin Saucier seal so collectors could use you for economic reasons and security reasons.

 
 

JK
(Login jkrasner2)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:53 PM 

No offense to Kevin, but just how many people outside of this board know who Kevin Saucier is? Not to throw darts at your plan Jim, but it seems to me that the majority of collectors may not place the same value on that seal of approval as you do.

 
 
JimCrandell
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Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 4:57 PM 

Kevin is on LTS which starts you off with a couple of hundred. This board has several hundred. He could post on Scott and Jay's board.

I would talk him up wherever I could.

I do know serious collectors who have posted here that swear by him and have flown cross-country to have him look at their cards..

Thats a good start.

Jim

 
 

JK
(Login jkrasner2)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 5:03 PM 

Its a great start if the hobby is limited to a couple hundred collectors. I was under the impression it was much larger.

Again, I think Kevin posts some really useful information when he chooses - I just dont think that his following is as big as you presume.

 
 
JimCrandell
(Login Davalillo)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 5:07 PM 

JK,

Thought I got to close to 1,000.

Regardless, if he is to succeed his business will grow like any other--word of mouth--demonstrable evidence that his seal of approval helps the resale value of cards and peace of mind for collectors that the expensive cards in his opinion are legit.

Just think its a great concept that has a good chance of succeeding.

Jim

 
 

Kevin Saucier
(Login only_child)

Re: Kevin Saucier: You may still be in luck.

July 10 2007, 5:45 PM 

"No offense to Kevin, but just how many people outside of this board know who Kevin Saucier is?"

None taken...but you are so very correct. I'm thinking a part time gig at home during my spare time and see if it evolves. If not, the upside is I still get to look at some really cool cards.

Another question would be..even inside net54 and other boards, who really cares who Kevin Saucier is? Word of mouth would be the only source for now.

btw...just looked at security holograms. They are relatively inexpensive. Insurance would cost.

 
 
 
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