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Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007 at 6:07 PM
JimCrandell  (Login Davalillo)

 
I was fortunate enough to have dinner with Kevin Saucier(and Anthony Nex) in Los Angeles last week. Kevin seems to be pushing forward with his idea of a "seal of approval" on graded cards. A significant if not substantial collector is paying Kevin on a per day basis(or at least willing to pay him on a per day basis)to come to his house and go through as many of his already graded cards as he can. I know who it is but will let him disclose.
My intention is that as a condition of purchase on any "expensive" card I buy that I have doubts about, to make the purchase contingent upon Kevin's seal of approval. I am not having him go through my already graded cards.
I was also given a nice gift by Kevin--a T206 Back with a flip with my name on it, my birth date year and a real Honus cert number(I think).
Thank God Kevin has not crossed to the dark side although he did say he is inundated with requests from people to teach them what he knows.
Don't mean to neglect Anthony who is the one of the very best people I have ever met in the hobby. Three ex-LTSers at one dinner! Don't think I am giving away anything confidential by saying they both were down on what is happening with the grading companies.
A lot more but I will stop there.

 
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Brian
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 6:13 PM 

Both Anthony and Kevin are top notch human beings.

 
 

Eric Brehm
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 7:38 PM 

I think Kevin must have god-like qualities.

Three ex-LTSers? We all know what LTS is. Actually, I know what LTS is, I was denied membership to that exclusive group. Didn't quite pass muster for that one.

 
 
barrysloate
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 7:43 PM 

I think what Kevin is doing is admirable, and I hope he can turn it into a successful endeavor.

But of course this will raise a lot of questions, so let me get the ball rolling: SGC encapsulates a card and says it's good. Kevin looks at the card and says it's bad.

Why must we assume Kevin is right and SGC is wrong?

 
 
Bruce MacPherson
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 7:45 PM 

Okay, I'll bite. What the hell is LTS. I have seen that acronym thrown around in the past, but have never been privy to the info on this group (and frankly never cared until Eric's post roused my interest).

 
 
JimCrandell
(Login Davalillo)

Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 7:59 PM 

Eric,

I wouldn't sweat it--I believe Anthony and Kevin quit the board. I on the other hand got in an argument with the president band was thrown off. This was a few months after I had resigned voluntarily.

Bruce,

LTS stants for Lets Talk Sportscards-a members only message board founded by Tom Papa who after I got removed from the CU message boards founded LTS to give me a place to post(true story). I then had a falling out with Papa--quit once and was later kicked off. Both Al Crisafulli who posts here and Anthony are past presidents of LTS.

Barry,

I am not saying we should. I am just paying someone for a second opinion because I believe SGC and PSA can make mistakes.

 
 
barrysloate
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:07 PM 

Everybody makes mistakes- even Kevin probably makes one once in awhile. But I have a problem with this scenario, one we've already discussed.

If a consignor asks me to auction an expensive card, and it is slabbed by SGC (who I respect the most), and the winning bidder gives it to Kevin, who then says he thinks it might be bad, and then the buyer wants to return it to me- I have more of a headache than I think I am willing to deal with.

And what do I tell my consignor? Would Kevin remove the card from the holder to examine it carefully? Do I then have to tell my consignor not only is he getting his card back, but to make matters worse, he's getting it back raw?

Don't mean to be a pain in the butt, just trying to cover all my bases.

 
 
Peter_Spaeth
(Login Peter_Spaeth)

Ubergrading in the holder

October 12 2007, 8:25 PM 

I repeat my point from the prior thread. Without taking a card out of a holder your ability to detect alterations, particularly trimming, is severely limited. I believe even Kevin acknowedges this.

 
 
Jeff Prizner
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:39 PM 

A message board that has presidents? Sounds pretty lame.

 
 

Brian
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:44 PM 

I agree Jeff. 80% of that concept is 50% lame.

 
 
Jeff Prizner
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:46 PM 

People can come up with statistics to prove anything. 45% of all people know that.

 
 
Peter_Spaeth
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:46 PM 

Who are these elitists anyhow?

 
 
John Basilone
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:49 PM 

I'll take a good old-fashioned dictator over a president any day!


    
This message has been edited by John_Basilone on Oct 12, 2007 8:50 PM


 
 

Brian
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 8:55 PM 

A significant if not substantial part of me agrees with you Jeff.

 
 

Jason L
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Disappointed by this thread's title...

October 12 2007, 9:08 PM 

Here I thought I was going to hear about the meal, the wine, the candlelight mood,...and we got none of that!



 
 

David Vargha
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 9:15 PM 

LTS is filled with malcontents, ne'er-do-wells and losers. In fact, just under half of the members over there are below average, even as far as that board is concerned. Besides, aren't Nex and Crisafulli Socialists? Those kind of people don't come to power as "presidents" but more often than not as dictators for life.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

 
 

Brian
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 9:18 PM 

Woman: Oh. How do you do?

King Arthur: How do you do, good lady? I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Whose castle is that?

Woman: King of the who?

King Arthur: King of the Britons.

Woman: Who are the Britons?

King Arthur: Well, we all are. We are all Britons. And I am your king.

Woman: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

Dennis: You'rw foolin' yourself! We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class...

Woman: Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.

Dennis: Well, that's what it's all about! If only people would...

King Arthur: Please, please, good people, I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?

Woman: No one lives there.

King Arthur: Then who is your lord?

Woman: We don't have a lord.

Dennis: I told you, we're an anarco-sydicalist commune. We take it in turns to be a sort of executive officer for the week...

King Arthur: Yes...

Dennis: ...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting...

King Arthur: Yes I see...

Dennis: ...by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs...

King Arthur: Be quiet!

Dennis: ...but by a two thirds majority in the case of...

King Arthur: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

Woman: Order, eh? Who does he think he is?


    
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Cobby33
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 9:25 PM 

The Yellow Hoard...The Red Menace. All wrapped up in one.

 
 

David Vargha
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 9:37 PM 

The Yellow Hoard...The Red Menace. All wrapped up in one.

The Orange Crush?

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

 
 
Cobby33
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Re: Dinner With Kevin Saucier

October 12 2007, 9:42 PM 


 
 
 
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