That's a very busy card. Love it!

That is one of the coolest T206 overprint errors I have seen. Let us know if/when you send it to auction. I do not collect error cards at this time, but would love to follow this one. I suspect some big bucks for it. Makes you wonder what happenned to the rest of the sheet?

My guess is rest of the sheet was scattered across northeast. The original collection was mostly sweet cap and piedmont backs. One thing to note is the miscut on the card's left border.

That card has to be one of the most fascinating T206s I have seen.  I simply love it. 

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

Amazing card, congrats on getting it encapsulated!

Well, it is a Southern Leaguer, but it does have a crease, and I see it only got an authentic grade. I'll give you $45 for it.

No matter how many times I see that card, it never ceases to amaze. wow.

Very kewl to have a near complete back collection with one card!

Certainly a 1/1. They should have slabbed it with Cy facing front.

I love seeing those errors. Thanks for sharing it!

My error card web site, in case you are interested: http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/freaksandgeeks

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

This is fascinating. I just finished a post on my blog about an hour ago talking about the T206 Chance printer's scrap that closed on eBay a couple days ago and I pictured this exact card in my post. I showed a couple of amazing backs and remembered yours. Then I searched the archives and found the original thread and borrowed the image to include in my blog. Now, here you are, posting a follow up thread about the card. Simply awesome. I love this card.

What are the odds of this?

Thanks,

Andy

Great card! it is a crying shame that it is encapsulated!

2nd verse, same as the 1st

Great card

(Great card, by the way. Enjoy it however you want.)

Great card to share like this. When my apartment was robbed way back when, I took consolation that the crooks didn't get this card. I looked at it many times, wondering who the portrait was (I was a big bb fan but not really t206 collector, once I figured out that the ghost was not Wagner I figured it pretty much worthless but VERY cool, which is really what collectables is all about).

I agree whole heartedly with the sentiment that it is a shame that it is encapsulated, I had the card raw for 25+ years, but it is like taking out insurance on an item, if a card has certain value it is wise to authenticate.

This is a neat card, no doubt, but $45,000????? Really????

i usually don't comment on such matters or get involved in any drama...

BUT, that starting bid is a real shocker

to me, you can take a zero off of the end.

card is worth maybe $4500

Can someone provide the link. Thanks in advance!

here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/6ljg3b

The price is obviously far-fetched, but what really strikes me as odd is that the Cy Young ghost image is the main selling point made in the auction. I am more interested in the fact that it also has a Brown Old Mill overprint. I would be willing to bet there are more print freaks than Brown Old Mills out there. A combination of both is simply amazing.

 
 
 
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"There ain't much to being a ballplayer, if you're a ballplayer."
-Honus Wagner

Guys - might I suggest we don't call out a fellow board member publicly for a high listing price. Consider if there was a board reader who was considering the card at that price and now certainly won't. A little "Do onto others..."
just a suggestion in hopes of promoting board unity.

Matt- like i said, i usually never get involved in any drama on this board, and i truly wish the seller luck (we have had a few pleasant email correspondence in the past)...but, as a T206 collector of 20 years, i had to agree with Adam's "call-out"...if it was listed at $10,000 (which is still above its value, IMO), no one would have said anything...but it was listed at $45,000...and it got properly called-out.

Your point regarding the BROWN Old Mill (So. Lge. back) is well taken. I don't think Amer. Litho. ever intended to print this back.
It was an unintended color error probably due to running out of Black ink. In the 6-color process employed in printing the T206's
The first 3 color passes were Yellow....Black....Brown....in that order.

TED Z

Fantastic card, every time it comes up I enjoy seeing it again. There's nothing wrong with the $45K price IMO. All it does it generate a buzz that will likely make it known to more of the masses driving up the price (even if it's only a 10th or so of the posted starting bid). Smart marketing at a minimum (if it works )

Thanks again for sharing!

Bill

I guess I don't know enough about this card. Why is it being called the "Rosetta stone" of T206 cards? What exactly did we learn about the printing process of T206's from this card?

When I first posted a picture of this card on this board a couple of years ago, in one post I said off-handedly, "If it was worth $3,000, I'd probably sell it." I received a blizzard of offers at that point. My experience with auctions and similar situations tells me in such a case that the object is worth considerably more than the initial offers. What is the true value of the card? I don't know, but it is one-of-a-kind, and it is a geat looking card. If it doesn't sell I am very happy to keep it. This card means a lot to me sentimentally. But $45,000 or more, sentimental or not, will send it away.

The Rosetta Stone reference is because this card proves several points about the actual printing process. The Rosetta Stone was a tablet that enabled scholars to cross refence an extinct language with a language the scholars already knew.

TE, I know what the Rosetta Stone is, what I'm wondering though is what secrets to the printing process of T206's did your card unlock?

I was refering to comments made about the card on this board in the past, ie, I think Ted commented at one point (I think it was Ted) that the card proves that the backs and fronts were all printed at the same plant, also, to my eyes, card seems to demonstrate the process used to print, and possibly the color order. Rosetta Stone seemed like a fun way of expressing that. But I am open to suggestions on the text...feel free to email- hoofaway@aol.com
Tom

As someone already put it.....you can never get tired of looking at that card.

Thanks for sharing !!

i don't post as often as i should, but i check this board daily to see any t206 scraps/errors/ unique t206 oddballs...it's all i collect, if you watch ebay, i won the recent chance printers scrap (sorry for the lack of scan/picture)...anyway, this card is a beauty!!!

without listing all the obvious about the card, what i am pretty interested in how this card has the front and backs all printed on the back....i'm very interested in the brown o.m. which is in my opinion the color error, among other interesting images....i am dissapointed in the , for the most part, almost diamond "factory " cut.....i honestly like a very oddly shaped t206 scrap that was "hand hacked", but this is pretty clean..
it almosts leads me to believe it was found post production, but that can't be the case, i guess i feel the same as alot of you, the card actually makes me wonder more than answer...


the price i never like to discuss, but i really wish i could bid on this card and others to determine the actual market value...

anyway, it's nice to see!!!!

johnny

Johnny, it is my belief that this card was circulated inserted into unknown brand. It may have been used as scrap on reverse side at factory, but at some point, it was turned back over, and then cut and distributed in whatever pack it was inserted into. This card was one of about 180 I bought in a shoebox from a nostalgia type store back in the 1970s. The store had just purchased them from original owner's family. The collection was fairly typical for what a boy growing up in New York area would have collected back in 1911, weighted towards Hall of Famers (three Cobbs, at least five McGraw, several Matty, I eremember quite a few New York Giants in the group) all in Gd to Ex condition with a few lower grade, no reverse stock loss on any, and nothing out of the ordinary but for this one. The backs were as I recall mostly Sweet Caps and Piedmonts, a few Old Mill, a couple of El Principe, American Beauty, etc. Definitely no Polar Bear, I would have remembered that! It looked like a normal kid's collection of baseball cards, much like the Topps cards I had collected in the 1960s. I can't believe that this one came from anyplace else but a pack of smokes.

thanks for listening....i think ur right, this one slipped thru.....but, i would suspect a few more to surface, i have seen none like this......i have been searching for these oddballs now 12 years or so, i have never seen one with so many backs, i have seen some with multi backs....all different types up to 3 overstrike multi backs...never one with a portrait/back multi combo as nice, really a true gem, you are truly right, i look at these like little works of art and think they are undervalued now big time, they are pretty rare and more collectors suck them up!!!45,000 is a little steep, but i think one day that might be a reasonable price...obviuosly you love this card and i know how you feel t.e....i become attached to my errors and wouldn't want to part with them at any price sometimes...they are one-of-a kinds and in my opinion are much rarer than realized...

but had a question about the price . No disrespect intended , but how did you decide on $45,000 ? Is it purely random or is it based on a sale of another error card ? I understand you can ask whatever you want for the card but was just wondering .

Lyle, it's like getting 6 cards in one
Very cool card(s), though.

Damn, and I was going to put in a bid for 38K.

I agree...this is an amazing card...and I'd love to have it in my collection. I can also understand the asking price as it seems you really don't want to sell it. On the open market I'd guess it'd sell for less than $20K...still a princely sum for what may have ended up in the trash many years ago.

it's over $7k per card !

nm

Because it is beautiful. An image like this is created by either genius or a lightning bolt accident. Since Warhol and Lichtenstein weren't around in 1909. it's the lightning bolt that wins by default. I believe this card has aesthetic appeal beyond baseball.

I can tell you that if you hold this card and look at it, you will be transfixed. There is something about his card that grabs you. Visually, it doesn't let go.

TE, for 45K that card better do more for me than just not let go.

I can’t justify the asking price for this card but was wondering the following...
Has there ever been another card even close to the complexity of this card discovered before?

I for one don’t find value in printing run errors that aren’t what a lot of us consider true “error” cards, but this card seems to be much more than that.

If there were several other cards from this sheet on the market, or others similar in its mass eclectic appearance I could see how it could be dismissed as just another goof.

Someone I think, and more than likely not a traditionalist collector, will buy it and for what I presume to be a pretty good sum. Someone I think who views it more like a work of art than just a baseball card will love to own it. The market for it will be narrow, but could still command a nice price.

tim,

you are right a narrow market...this card, to me, is rarer than a wagner...yest206(honus), this might make people mad, but look at the ratios...75 wagners??

one oddball, but doesn't have the hype and history of a t206 authentic wagner, but is a one of a kind....beauty is in the eye of the beholder....

don't get me wrong, i'de rather own a wagner, but to me this is a "poor man's" wagner such as myself!!= )

a true collector would need this, but like mike said, not more than $4500 which is still steep, i would say $2500....
ebay,$5,000 big auction....no disrespect t.e., these are just estimates off the existing markets for these cards...some big guys have been silent on them..


let this card go and let the market determine it!!!!!!!!!!!

t.e., if not stop teasing us!!!LOL

thanks for listening,this is just one mans opinion...no disrepect to anyone....
johnny

As a collector of print rarities....I'll throw my hat into the ring. It's certainly not unusual for print errors with multiple back strikes to sell for a couple thousand bucks, and none have been nearly as amazing as this one.

Two things are really unique about this particular piece. First off the Cy Young overprint and second, the ultra rare brown old mill strike. Personally, if I owned this card I doubt that I'd ever sell it.

Having said all that, I wouldn't be prepared to drop 45k on it....but I certainly can't blame the owner for setting a high price and failing that to keep it in his collection.

Regards,
Scott

I suppose the novelty of this card would be appealing to some. Back when I still collected cards, there was a very short-lived hype with all of the multi-overprinted scrap illegally salvaged from the dumpsters at Upper Deck in 1989. From my recollection, those were long ago written off as worthless. To me, this card is no different (I am not saying it is without value). Just one guy's opinion. As somebody pointed out elsewhere on this site, the material I specialize in is also esoteric, so to each their own. I'll never understand the hype in this case.

As the baseball card hobby moves closer and closer to the destiny of stamps and coins, things like this happen. Coins and stamps place a high value on misstrikes and errors and things just like this Cy Young. 10 years ago this would have been either worthless or odd and neat to a couple of guys worth a very small premium. Now $45,000? I remember ordering some T206 cards from a catalog in about 1995 and getting them in the mail and one of them having pieces of 4 Piedmont backs on it because it was so off center. At the time, I was pissed that this flaw was not disclosed, now its worth big bucks.

First it was grading, now its print freaks, but hopefully the end result for our hobby will not be the same as the other two. I think it is a cool card, but the fascination with anything related to T206 cards just completely escapes me.

Rhys

Rhys- it will be the same as the other two.

A lot of coin dealers migrated over to baseball cards, so they will use their coin experience as a template for the card business.

What you just said is soooooo true. But recall, it 1st occurred back in 1981 when the coin and stamp dealers initially crossed-over
into the BB card hobby. I remember this well....especially, when the first sets of Donruss and Fleer were in the market. Everyone
went "bananas" over the most trivial of errors and variations. Then this craze carried over to all aspects of the hobby.

TED Z

Good observation...damn those stamp and coin bastids!

No sale. Back to the drawing board.

I'll take one more shot at ebay. This time starting price of 99 cents, with a reserve set at a fraction of previous asking price. I do want to sell it but I don't want to give it away.

If this doesn't work, off to an auction house it goes.

It will be a ten day auction, starting Sunday June 29 9:20 PM, ending Weds July 9, 2008. I already scheduled it. The item number is 120277495275 but you won't be able to view it until it starts. I tacked on a larger image of the card itself, so it is worth a look.

Good for you for starting it with a .99 cent price. Even if the final bid does not meet your reserve, whatever the final bid is should give you (and everyone else, including myself) a good idea as to the approximate value. I would say in that 4k to 5k range, but let's see what the market says!

Good luck,
Adam

It's a 52 Topps but I figured you guys might like it. Rob

I think it's there now. Rob

Do you guys like that one? Rob

Very nice Ed Lopat card, Rob. Perhaps the Andy Warhol of 1952 Topps.

T.E.,

Any reason you decided to keep the user ID private for the auction I was bidding pretty high then noticed you dropped the reserve today went back to bid and noticed the user ID was private...needless to say I'm not a huge fan of this format for many reasons.....

John

I hate private auctions. I have never used one before. I always want bidders to know what they are dealing with.

I have a program call Blackthorne. When I first decided to list this card, I wanted to find out if there was a way I could pre-screen potential bidders. I thought that wa what "Private Auction" meant. I chose that setting in Blackthorne. I called ebay to check and they explaind that that was not what "private" meant. But when I listed it I didn't go back in and change the setting in Blackthorne. It is a hidden field that you have to open, and I just missed it.

Edited to say, actually, now that I have gone back and looked at Blackthorne, I see that Private is not a hidden field, it's up on the right, little tiny thing, but since I had never before used it I just didn't notice it when time came to do the listing

The next day, when I looked at the listing through my wife's ebay ID (same account), I saw that you could not see the other bidders info. I tried to change it, but wasn't allowed to. I called ebay up and they told me that once a bid had been placed, I was not allowed to change the Private Listing setting because I had, in a sense, entered into a contract with those who bid already for a Private Listing. The problem is I have spent a lot now on the listing, getting all the features, and I have a lot of interest. I am afraid that if I kill the listing and start again, I will lose more than I gain.

I lowered the reserve price, quite frankly John, to get past this stage of the auction. I want to make sure that bidders involved are serious now, nt just playing a game to figure out what the reserve is, which I suspect one bidder may or may not have been doing.

Do consider my feedback and history. While this will probably be the high mark for a sale, I have sold several items in the past at +10K. I earn about $3000 a week on ebay, it is my livelyhood, and would NEVER shill bid. I would no jeopardize my family's welfare for a couple of thousand dollars. It is not worth it, and it is wrong. I have been earning a living doing ebay since 2001 and take great pride in doing it the right way.

I will be happy to include any and all info on the auction I can while respecting the other bidders rights to privacy under this dopey rule. I am not sure how Private Auctions treat the winning bidder, but I will not reveal his or her identity, that will be up to the buyer. Please feel free to email me or even call me directly on the phone (message me for number)

Sincerely,
Tom McMorrow

Tom,

I respect an honest mistake and appreciate your feedback, thanks for replying.

Just a thought you could always end and re-list without hiding the bidders….but understand if you don’t want too.

Good Luck with the sale, it sure is a neat card no doubt about it.

Cheers,

John

Tom just called me and we had a very nice conversation. He is sincere about selling the card and I'm sure in the end everything will go smoothly.

Thanks to all and good luck to all interested,
Best,
Tom

For everyone's information, I am the high bidder on the auction. I talked with Tom before and offered $8000 in a private deal (as I didn't want anyone to know I was the owner as I didn't want to handle inquiries in the future). Tom said he wanted to take his chances with the eBay auction. So I made my bid at $8000 and it has subsequently been bid up by other people up to exactly that point, but no further, which I find to be very odd (not implying anything shady on Tom's part by that statement).

And as my offer was rejected in a private sale, and my bid in the auction is not high enough to meet reserve, I guess I am permenantly out of the running for this card, which is why I'm willing to talk about it. If it doesn't sell on eBay, I most definitely will not be reinstating my $8000 offer. I do not like to be considered a backup while sellers look for alternate, better offers. I am sure Tom can understand that and I wouldn't expect him to come back to me for an $8000 purchase price. He seems like a genuinely good guy. I think this card is a beaut and I hope Tom hits his reserve and the card goes to a real collector.

perhaps someone with "influence" will step in and buy the card.

JP, that's why you should use a sniping service.

I do use a sniping service for 99% of my bids. Why would I use a sniping service for this auction? I didn't want to wonder if my $8000 bid would meet the reserve or not, so I just made it at the beginning of the auction. Obviously a sniping service would not have served any purpose in this instance.

Well, you said that 8K was your last and only offer. So why would you care if you learned that it met the reserve right away if you hadn't planned on making a higher bid? What I'm simply saying is that you expressed some concern as to why your initial bid was run up to it's max without surpassing it; a sniping service would have allayed those concerns -- but as you said you use a sniping service 99% of the time so you already are aware of it.

JP, I told you that if you were the high bidder on the card I would sell it to you. I will sell i to whoever the highbidder is, period. I should just have lowered the resaerve to $8K, I made the number a little higher, but it is not a big deal. My intent is to sell this card.

I hate to do it, I have had it for 35 years, it has seen me through some real hard times, but that is the way it is.

I don't know who the under bidder is, but I found it a bit strange that he inched the bidding up to your number then checked out, but maybe there is a plan there.

Best, Tom

You told me that you would sell it to me if I was high bidder AFTER I had already bid $8000. You don't really see how that is unfair to me? You basically are guaranteeing yourself AT LEAST $8000 instead of just selling to my $8000 offer. That will not fly with me and wouldn't with anyone else.

Is the bidder who bid it up to my price a legit bidder or some low feedback ghost? I can't see any bidder information at all. What if the highest any legitimate bidder would bid was at $4000? Were you going to sell to me at $4100, or hold me to my $8000 offer? My offer was good before you listed it, as I mentioned. And I told you I had bid $8000 on the ebay auction. But if the reserve is not met, then there is no sale.

You want to relist it with no reserve and I'll bid again, but then you don't have the protection of my $8000 offer any more. Then it could sell for $2000. I'm not about to pay $8000 if I'm the higher bidder in a private auction with no reserve met. No one would.

JP

Jeff,

You posed the question "Well, you said that 8K was your last and only offer. So why would you care if you learned that it met the reserve right away if you hadn't planned on making a higher bid?"

I care because I like to know how much cash I have available to me. If when I bid the $8000 the reserve was met, then I would not be bidding in Huggins & Scott, 19thCenturyOnly and SCP auctions as agressively as I am, because I would know that my money was tied up in the Young Ghost. But now that I can see that the auction won't be won by me, that money is now freed up. Like everyone else, I need to know what funds I have available to me...

That makes sense.

I wonder what would happen if people with reserves on their auctions simply listed the reserve price? Or just started the auction out at the 'reserve' price? Is there any downside?

Tom,

Also, so you know, if you had lowered the reserve to $8000 AFTER I had already placed the $8000 bid, then eBay automatically makes my bid $1 below the reserve price. Here is the eBay explanation...

"If the seller lowers the reserve price below the high bidder's maximum bid (proxy) amount, the high bidder's maximum bid will be automatically lowered so that it is one dollar below the new reserve price. This prevents high bidder who was not previously obligated to purchase from being turned into a winning bidder without his or her knowledge."

I don't want to be turned into the winning bidder when I thought I was out of the running a week ago when I placed my $8000 bid and the reserve wasn't met.

JP

JP

You are out of the running. Auction shows "Reserve Not Met".

JP,

I might be the only one wondering this, but I have to ask anyway: Why wouldn't you discuss all of your points with Tom privately, either by e-mail or phone, instead of airing them in public? And why wait until the final hours before the end of the auction?

Again, just curious. I don't mean anything personal.

JP,
No, the under-bidder was not a zero, but I found the bidding pattern odd. You were the one who warned me that someone might bid up to the high bid amount, then cancel the bid, so I lowered the reserve.

If you want to see all the emails back and forth between us, I will send them on, but I have never been duplicitous in this.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill, if you end up with the card, great, what;s the worry?

JP is not out of the running if he doesn't want to be.

Tom,

1. I'm glad to see that I am outbid, as now it will be a non-issue.
2. I wish you the best of luck in getting this to meet the reserve.
3. If this doesn't sell, I wouldn't try to resell. This card will only go up in value over time.

JP

Rob D.,
To answer your questions...

"Why wouldn't you discuss all of your points with Tom privately, either by e-mail or phone, instead of airing them in public? And why wait until the final hours before the end of the auction?"

My intention was not to even communicate with Tom at all on this forum. My original posting was to alleviate some of the concerns that Robert (Bigb13) and John (Wonkaticket) had expressed in the posts immediately preceeding Tom's post titled ""Private Listing" is a Mistake that I am unable to correct." I wanted them, and others, to know that at least the lead bidder on this auction was legitimate, so there shouldn't be any hullabaloo around whether the bidders were suspect. Since it is a private listing, no one has any idea if the lead bidder is someone like me with a lot of feedback, or a zero. If anything, I am encouraging further bidding as I think Tom is a good guy and this card is a worthwhile investment.

JP

Thanks, JP. I really wasn't trying to imply anything, and I had completely forgotten that this was listed as a private auction.

I hope Tom gets what he is wanting money-wise as well. So don't mean this to sound bad against Tom. However, in my opinion I don't see anything wrong with having started the auction off at your bottom barrel number you'd take for it. I do think however the worst thing to have done is having made the bidders private. From what I've seen in the past it seems many just won't get into that game, even if all the bids are legit. The point is nobody can tell for sure what is going on.

I think he acknowledged the fault of making the bidders private. Perhaps if reserve is not met, he will re-list without that mistake.

Wow, sold for just shy of 10k, not bad!

Congrats!

Only one person bid above $8400 and hit the reserve. Hiding the bidders' IDs really hurt this auction.

Congrats TE!

Such an interesting card. I could never bring myself to spend that kind of money on it, but I do love it.

Why do you say that? In a major auction no one would know the bidders. Just curious...

I hope it was a legit bidder. Maybe Tom can fill us in...

Because anonymous bidding is expected in an auction house auction; on ebay it is not and just raises too many red flags.

I think it was probably a legit bidder....but yes red flags do go up....Tom (hi Tom) gave a pretty good account of himself for that mix up....

Yes -- but the readers of this thread are a tiny fraction of those who would be bidding on the card. Maybe the explanation could have been put on the ebay listing.

All it takes is a tiny fraction....but you make a good point. Maybe it would have gone for more? I thought that was a lot of money, but who knows anymore....I am sure the winner, if legit, will be happy with it. It's neat looking that's for sure.

If it was in error to make it a private auction, maybe the seller can post here the eBay user name of who won?

Winner is legit and very smart in my eyes to have scooped this card up. it is the king of all reverse error cards, and a t206. I'm saying goodbye to an old friend. Maybe buyer will cut me in for 5% if he/she ever relists.

Just for old times sake!

I'd think he'd need the winning bidder's permission to do that; that bidder may have bid only because he thought his ID wouldn't be exposed.

Adam,

I think that would be a huge mistake. Right now the only person the seller should be concerned about is the high bidder. And who knows, the private-auction format might have appealed to the high bidder. Posting his/her eBay name here would serve no purpose. IMO, of course.

From what I read "the tiny fraction" of people on this board tha showed interest in this card put the value at between $3000-$5000. TE gave a good explination for the bidding being private and I can understand after all he had gone through not wanting to pull the auction after his error and listing it again.

In the end his RESERVE was met and if the bidder was legit all we be pleased with the end result.

Shouldn't that be good enough?

As far as ID of winner, that goes to grave with me until he/she says "It's me!"

there's WAY too much discussion on here about this auction (the card is amazing, that's a given)...but there was/is way too much talking going on about this eBay auction..."i bid this, he bid that, reserve not met, i offered him x amount"...keep it private guys.

What do you mean? Can't we all talk about a card with the person selling it involved? I think whoever bought it paid way too much btw......this was a 3k card at the most

Perhaps we can start another thread on this?

i agree Leon...as i said at the top of this thread, it is a $4500 card, at most...i'm happy for tom that he did really well on it (even tho he had visions of $40K+)...

of course we can talk about whatever we want, but as i scroll thru this thread, there just seems to be WAY too much discussion happening specifically about the auction...as someone noted above, the dialogue between JP & tom should be a private one...

I agree with what you said and I was kidding about my valuation of it. It's just me starting trouble again .....regards and talk to ya soon

Leon- you got me there, looking forward to hanging out in Chi-town with ya!

MS

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i am not certain i would call this card 'the king' of overprints. the laxative ad back overprint currently on ebay is a much more appealing overprint then this card in my opinion. i also think the card went for more the 2x what it should have.

To me the laxative overprint T206 back looks somewhat washed out..Still a great looking card but not quite the other one...The card last night was the coolest looking one I have ever seen. If I was going to own just one of them it would have been the one with the Young on back last night...It looks like there were 2-3 bidders over 8k so not sure about 4-5k being the value. It certainly sold higher in a fairly open, maybe even slightly tainted, auction..The laxative one will probably pick up some steam due to that price......all just my opinion.....regards

i'm with Leon here...

the laxative overprint is really cool looking, but with all due respect, the fact that the overprint is unrelated to T206, might hold the value down on it...if it were just a Hindu back (for example) on top of a Piedmont back it would sell for multiples of what the laxative will sell for, IMO.

I know Tom kind of brought to attention his auction on his card here. But I think in the best interest of the seller of the laxative overprint, shouldn't this NOT be discussed while that auction is still live? Especially the downplaying of his card? Unless I missed something, that seller has not made anymore commnets on his card since it went on ebay.

I think talking about the cards usually drives the value up due to attention. This laxative one has lots of bidders and is neat.....I don't think it's so wrong to say if you like that one or the other better.....This is a chat board....but I do understand your concern too and it has some merit..BTW, the seller of the laxative one is a very nice gentleman......best regards

Dave- to your point, i have simplified my post a bit...

Hey guys,

No problem talking about my laxative ad back that's on eBay. It's not a private auction, it has lots of bidders, and I did disclose the reserve. No secrets. It's all in the open and as far as I am concerned people are free to say what they want about it. I am not really one for pumping my own auctions or my collection so I have not posted since I listed it but I don't mind if others want to talk about it -- good or bad. Any exposure is probably good, but it probably doesn't matter much either way. Leon, thanks for the kind words.

David R

David- you know i like your laxative overprint a lot (as you know, we spoke a few times about it)...just to clarify, the point was trying to make, was that IF it had another brand as an overstrike instead, it would command a lot more...hope you do well on it!

be well,
MS

Admittedly the laxative ad is not related to the typical T206 back advertising...but it is a dramatic and colorful overprint, and with this area of collecting eye appeal is very important.

the fact that the laxative ad is not related to anything t206 is what makes it such an appealing card in my opinion. i would think type collectors would be driving the price on a card like this.

David-

I don't disagree. I think the buyer of the card (who is a board member) got a pretty good deal on that card.


Dave

...T206 would have been more appealing to me if it were the only one of its kind. Sloate sold a similar one last year.



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That's correct, I did have one in 2007 and it sold for a little more than 1K.