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1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 17 2008 at 4:19 PM

Robert {Bigb13}  (Login Bigb13)

Does anybody know how this happened and are there any other cards with no number on them? Rob

 
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(Login Bigb13)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 17 2008, 6:06 PM 

Does anyone know anything about this card? Rob

 
 

(Login PaulPaulPaul)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 17 2008, 7:21 PM 

Lew Lipset had a pretty detailed description of this card in one of his auctions when he was selling one. As I remember it, there are no other players in the set that have a numberless variation. And there doesn't seem to be any particularly good explanation of how some Bresnahans went out without a number.

 
 

Robert {Bigb13}
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 18 2008, 2:04 PM 

I just read that is it really that rare? Rob                                                          E145 1914 Cracker Jack. #17 Roger Bresnahan without the number on the rear.

Lot 9. E145 1914 Cracker Jack. #17 Roger Bresnahan without the number on the rear. Without question the rarest card in the 144 series and the only known variation. Bresnahan was printed with and without the “17” on the back. The variety without the number, obviously a printing flaw, is extremely rare and I have seen only three examples in over 25 years. The offered card has light staining on the rear, a couple of minor blemishes on the front, no creases and is a nice very good.
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Robert {Bigb13}
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 18 2008, 11:14 PM 

I have looked in some old price guides and back in the 1994 Beckett big book it does not show the variation but in the 1998 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards it shows it listed as the no number on back for a price of 600 which was by the way the same price as the card with the number on the back. My question is does anybody know when it was discovered? Rob

 
 

(Login JamesGallo)

Not sure but

May 18 2008, 11:26 PM 

I don't know when this was discovered, but they are not as rare as they once were. There was a hunt auction last year I think and there were 3-5 no number examples. Several have been floating around on ebay since.

It is a card that really doesn't seem to draw a lot of attention I guess because the 1914 set is so tough to complete that there aren't a lot of people trying to collect them all.

James G

Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

 
 

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the above card ????

May 18 2008, 11:43 PM 

looks it had gotten wet. The Red is showing in his shoulder and the card is warped. 2 cards came about recently and i had great opportunity before ebay and dint pull the trigger .It was a very strong 4 card smoking the card above and one got a steal for around 2800.00 .My timing was not good for the card at the time.

 
 


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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 11:11 AM 

This is a card I picked up. What do you guys think about it? RobBresnahan-f.jpg Bresnahan-f picture by RBalke2617

 
 

(Login MSW1)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 11:26 AM 

Obviously, the front is fantastic for the grade. Congrats!

 
 
James Gallo
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Miscut back

May 19 2008, 11:31 AM 

Is that the one with the miscut back that was around? The problem is the back is the main part of the card and for me if it is the miscut one, it kind of defeats the purpose. The front is nice though

James G

Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

 
 


(Login Bigb13)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 11:36 AM 

No, here is a scan of the back. RobBresnahan-b-1.jpg picture by RBalke2617

 
 

JimB
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 11:37 AM 

Robert,
Nice card. Can we see a scan of the back?
JimB

 
 

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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 11:38 AM 

Looks like SGC was tough on that card for the left edge damage.

 
 


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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 12:49 PM 

What do you think Jim? Rob

 
 


(Login E93)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 2:34 PM 

THat is a great card. I can't remember seeing one before. Seems like SGC was pretty harsh on the grade. Eye-appeal is great!
JimB

 
 

Robert {Bigb13}
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 19 2008, 10:37 PM 

Well everyone here always states buy the card not the holder. What do you think the grade should be? Rob

 
 

(Login JamesGallo)

Card

May 19 2008, 11:42 PM 

I saw this card for sale on ebay. I believe that damage to the side are tears and as such the card is correctly graded. All companies will hammer a card with tears. It appears to have a C shaped crease and at the edges there are tears at the top and bottom of the C. Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

If I am not, then as I said it is graded correctly. A good example of a card that looks a lot nicer then the grade.

James G

Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

 
 


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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 20 2008, 4:32 PM 

I don't know I think poor is pretty harsh. Rob

 
 


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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 20 2008, 7:40 PM 

I see SGC has graded 8 does anyone know how many PSA has graded? Rob

 
 

Bottom of the Ninth
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 20 2008, 7:44 PM 

Card appears to be graded accurately given the damage to the side of the card. PSA has graded 12 of them.


    
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(Login yanks87)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 20 2008, 7:53 PM 

From my experience, the no number variation is not the "rare" card in the set. I want to say that Hunt had several last year at their all-star sale. If you are playing the pop report game with the Cracker Jacks, take a look at #93. there are only 7 total graded by PSA and SGC, that's the gem. I helped put together the 2 CJ sets that were in the last REA sale, and that was the one card that was more difficult to come by than any other. I had hoped that the '14 set would have fetched more, in the world of graded sets, there can be only 7 complete. Shows what I know.

BK

 
 

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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 20 2008, 11:53 PM 

Brian - I also thought the 1914 set would sell for more, but the 1914s are severely undervalued compared to the 1915s IMO.

 
 

(Login yanks87)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 21 2008, 1:53 AM 

And that is why I will stick to designing tees, wooden robots, and buying ungraded beat up cards that catch my eye. I don't have the stomach for high stakes investments, cards included.

 
 

Robert {Bigb13}
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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 21 2008, 8:39 PM 

Why is # 93 that hard to find it is a common? Rob

 
 

(Login RepublicaninMass)

1915

May 21 2008, 9:46 PM 

"

Brian - I also thought the 1914 set would sell for more, but the 1914s are severely undervalued compared to the 1915s IMO."


There are so many hi end 1915 around that the 14 should be even higher. It seems every auction or so a whole string of PSA 8's are in there, I guess people bought a lot of sets back in 1915, where the 14 that wasnt an option

 
 

(Login yanks87)

Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 22 2008, 12:02 AM 

I have no idea why Del Pratt is so hard to come by. The deceptive part of pop reports is that it only covers the graded cards (duh right?!). Who's to say that people haven't cracked the cards out, and got them regraded by another house. The number could be less than 7. There are so many raw cards that hit the market all the time, Mastro's winter sale had a CJ master set, with an ungraded Del Pratt. I'm sure there are more that are out there, they just haven't hit the market yet.

 
 


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Re: 1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

May 22 2008, 4:00 PM 

Can someone tell me why doesn't Beckett list this card? Rob                                                       1914 Cracker Jack BRESNAHAN NO NUMBER

 
 
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