My 1st American Beauty 460 card was Zach Wheat....and, it got me hooked on collect-
ing these backs, since I figured with a mere 103 cards that they would be easy......but,
not so.


The following is the maximum number of possible T206's that are in this sub-set.

55......350/460 Subjects
48......460-only Subjects
----
103 total

Note....the Six Super-Prints (Chance, 2-Chase's, Cobb, Evers, Matty) do not exist with
AB 460 backs. Furthermore, we can expect that a number of these 103 candidates are
AB 460 "no prints".

Currently, I have 40 - T206's with AB 460 backs. To date, approx. 65 of the 103 have
been confirmed with AB 460 backs.

My theory is that T206's with the AB 460 back were the very last T206 cards to be is-
sued (circa Spring/Summer of 1911). If I am correct, it would be neat to have the final
printing run of the T206 cards.

In any event, how about showing us your American Beauty 460 cards ?

TED Z

How about starting with a beater ... my only 460.

Here is my one and only. Just picked it up in the last week.

I have Hummer, Ford, McGraw(glove on hip), Tinker(bat on shoulder), and Oldring(batting).

"NEWSON"

Got an SGC30 Doc Crandal w\cap, don't have a scan but can get one if needed.

My lone example...

Quite beat up; but nevertheless, very tough to find this Lajoie with an American Beauty 460 back.






TED Z

Now, it's my turn to be jealous of you regarding Hal Chase cards.

SGC 30 is not really your style, guy....I'm sure that you would like to sell this Chase card to me ?

TED Z

A 350/460 Series card of Burch






TED Z

I have Chance (Batting), Ford, Geyer, Hummel, McGraw (Glove on hip), Needham, Schulte (Back View) and this Gandil. I am always interested in trading for AB backs. Thanks, Bill

Ted, you're probably one of the few guys on the board that I'd probably GIVE the card to. I picked up like 5 Chases with rare backs in like a 3 month period a couple years back...and now I rarely see anymore. Is there a better set of images in the entire Monster than the Chases?

DOC CRANDALL......460-only Series card





TED Z

tell me
I have found the McGraw to be the most common HoFer to find!
I have two. What say you?


BcD

BcD

Which McGraw are you referring to ?
This pose......or the Portrait with Cap version ?





TED Z

Three more....Bergen....we think Harry Camnitz (Howie's younger brother)....Leach.

We now have 23 different AB 460 cards accounted for here. Many more to go....so, show and/or tell us about yours ?





TED Z

Hi Ted,
Here's one for you....


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I'll add a list of my 460's tonight when I catch up...

Be well Brian

Brian,

that is perhaps the cleanest back I've ever seen....nice.

Brian,

that is perhaps the cleanest back I've ever seen....nice.

my AB 460 is the Chase trophy.

great work.

all the best,
barry

I have a few more I'll update later..here's one that I haven't seen posted.

John

With Brian's Duffy, John's Schaefer, and my Overall, Meyers & Pfeffer......we have accounted for 28 - AB 460 cards.





TED Z

the pose you posted seems very common for AB baks to me

BcD

I agree with your observation about the McGraw (glove) card. I have seen about 5 of them with AB 460 backs..

I have never seen the other 460 Series McGraw (Portrait with Cap) with an AB 460 back.

Anyone out there have this McGraw with an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back ?

TED Z

I don't see the Tinker bat off shoulder in this thread, so here'e one:

Just picked up a Pelty Vertical and Sheckard Glove Showing with American Beauty 460 backs. BB

Ted, I have a Johnson hands at chest in a 5 holder (350 series) I bought from Quan and a Christy Mathewson (350) in a psa 5 holder as well from Tony. Will try to find them to scan later~

BcD

Your Johnson and Mathewson are great cards......but, we are only concentrating only on
AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards in this thread.

I highly recommend that you start a thread on the American Beauty 350 cards....starting
with these two. I don't think its been done on this forum

Best regards.
TED Z

Thanks BILL

Hope you don't mind me showing my Sheckard and Pelty.





TED Z

Hi Ted,
Here are a few more 460's....

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Hey BRIAN

Let's see some more of your AB 460 cards.

Here's 2 more of mine....we now have 33 different on display....that is approx. 50% of the known AB 460
cards in the T206 set.





TED Z

Gandil:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-Chick-Gandil-PSA-7-American-Beauty-460-Back_W0QQitemZ200242899539QQihZ010QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tinker:

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-TINKER-HOF-CUBS-SCARCE-AMERICAN-BEAUTY-460-BACK_W0QQitemZ160268589410QQihZ006QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sheckard:

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-SHECKARD-CUBS-SCARCE-AMERICAN-BEAUTY-460-BACK_W0QQitemZ150278939347QQihZ005QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Let me ask, does the 350 with frame have a different potential population than the 350 without frame?

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Conroy (a 350/460 Subject) is 34th T206 on display of approx. 65 confirmed AB 460 cards.




TED Z

Wilhelm is another AB 460 from the 350/460 Series.

The 55 cards from the 350/460 Series cards are tougher to find with AB 460 backs than the 460-only cards. These 55 cards
with AMERICAN BEAUTY backs are mostly found with AB 350 (no frame) backs.


So far, this is certainly evident with the display of cards in this thread....only 12 of the 34 cards are from the 350/460 Series.





TED Z

Hi Ted,
I have at least a dozen 460's that I haven't scanned, but I think they have all been covered in the thread except for Mullin batting.

Be well Brian

If you get a chance, show us your Mullin (batting). We don't have too many of those 350/460 cards.

I have a few more left to show, here's Latham and Snodgrass





TED Z

Downey (batting) is a 350/460 card with an AB 460 back. This card brings the total on display here of 39 different Subjects.

An interesting side-fact is that 28 of the confirmed 65 cards with AB 460 backs are the BATTING poses.





TED Z

Frill is in the 460-only Series......this pix gets us to 40 different AB 460 cards on display here.




TED Z

Just picked up this AB 460....Payne is in the 460-only Series.





TED Z

My 1st American Beauty 460 card was Zach Wheat....and, it got me hooked on collect-
ing these backs, since I figured with a mere 103 cards that they would be easy. Not so.

The following is the maximum number of possible T206's that are in this sub-set.

55......350/460 Subjects
48......460-only Subjects
----
103 total

Note....the Six Super-Prints (Chance, 2-Chase's, Cobb, Evers, Matty) do not exist with
AB 460 backs. Furthermore, we can expect that a number of these 103 candidates are
AB 460 "no prints".

Currently, I have 40 - T206's with AB 460 backs. To date, approx. 65 of the 103 have
been confirmed with AB 460 backs.

My theory is that T206's with the AB 460 back were the very last T206 cards to be is-
sued (circa Spring/Summer of 1911). If I am correct, it would be neat to have the final
printing run of the T206 cards.

In any event, how about showing us your American Beauty 460 cards ?

TED Z

To quote the famous Count Basie......"One more time"......

The 460 Series card of Chance with an AB 460 back




TED Z

Willetts is one more Subject from the 350/460 Series. This one I have with both the AB 350
and the AB 460 backs.

Note....the difference between these two with respect to their Factory # and State. The 350
card was shipped to the very popular Factory #25 plant in Virginia in 1910.
The 460 card was shipped to the Durham, NC plant, which was producing the American Beauty
cigarettes at the time of the American Tobacco Co. break-up in 1911.









There are at least 20 more T206's with AB 460 backs that have not yet been displayed.

We have 43 different AB 460 cards on display here....who is going to make it #44 ?


TED Z

Hi Dan,
What the hell are you doing with a slab???? Is that really you? Or is it Dave?

Be well Brian

PS You should send that overpriced Slabbed Matty to me... And I'll unslab my PSA 4 Matty and trade even....

I'll send my address shortly.





PS 2 Dave knows I'm kidding for those who don't know me...

I only slab stuff for sale so I can hook sunfish.

Hi Dan,
More like Whales.... Or Largemouth Bass...

Be well Brian


PS Do you still have the CB Speak easy?

Nah he is gone unfortunately, also sold the BL 460 Baker and Red Hindu Baker at National. Dan

I still have my PSA 6 Pied 42 Baker.... But I would trade it for the Speaker. Be well Brian

I have a Buck Freeman T206 AB 460 PSA 4. Another batting pose for the list, if you don't have it already.

Please check your Freeman card, as it cannot have an American Beauty 460 back ? ?

Freeman was printed in the 350-only Series and should only exist with an American Beauty 350 (frame) back.

However, if you are correct, you have a very, very scarce T206 front/back combination that has never been
seen before.


TED Z

Oops. It is an AB 350. Sorry. I had mislabeled in my files.