I have received several requests for a list of confirmed T206 OLD MILL cards. I don't recall of any Net54
lists on OLD MILL's. Therefore, here we go with a new survey.......

The star cards on display here are all available with OLD MILL backs. Of course, all 48 Southern League
cards in the T206 set are available with a variation of the OLD MILL back.

The possible number of OLD MILL subjects in the T206 set approaches 500. However, there always are
those nasty ole "NO PRINTS"....so, a lot less than 500 cards will be found with this back.

Actually, approx. 280 cards (incl. So. Lgrs.) have been confirmed with this back.




With none of the "Big-Six" cards needed, an OLD MILL sub-set of T206's is worth serious consideration.

So, show and/or tell us of your OLD MILL cards....and, we will generate a new survey ? ?


I'll start with some of my OLD MILL cards......

Confirmed OLD MILL cards......9/8/08

Burch (fielding)
Chase (blue portrait)
Cobb (green)
Cobb (red)
Cobb (bat off)
Collins (Philadelphia)
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Elberfeld (Washington-port.)
Johnson (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
Oldring (batting)
CYoung (portrait)

All 48 Southern Leaguers



Thanks,

TED Z

Chase, White Cap
Donlin, Batting
Fiene, Portrait
Gasper
Konetchy, Glove Low
Overall, Hands Waist Level
Snodgrass, Catching

Bradley, batting

I have Dummy Taylor in old mill.. I have 9 different backs of Taylor..


Danny-

Old Mill T206s

Overall (portrait)
Killian (pitching)
Ball (Cleveland)
Cobb (bat off)

Hi Ted,
This list hasn't been updated in a year or so, but will get you started.
Be well Brian

Whitey Alperman
Johnny Bates
Bill Bergen (batting)
Frank Bowerman
J. J. (Nig) Clarke (Cleveland)
Ty Cobb Green Portrait (HOF)
Sam Crawford Throwing (HOF)
Dode Criss
Bill Dahlen (Boston)
Harry Davis (Philadel., H. Davis on front)
Mike Donlin (seated)
Red Dooin
Wilbur Goode (Good)
Willie Keeler Portrait (HOF)
Ed Killian (hands at chest)
Danny Murphy (throwing) (horizontal)
Simon Nicholls (hands on knees)
Rube Oldring (fielding)
Charley O'Leary (portrait)
Jim Pastorius
Jack Powell (horizontal)
Claude Ritchey
Ed Walsh (HOF)
Jimmy Williams
Fred Abbott ML
John Anderson ML
Jake Atz
Jack Bastian SL
Emil Batch ML
Harry Bay SL
Fred Beck
Bill Bernhard SL
Lena Blackburne ML
Jack Bliss
Dave Brain ML
Ted Breitenstein SL
Jimmy Burke ML
Bill Burns
Donie Bush
Billy Campbell
Scoops Carey SL
Cad Coles SL
Bunk Congalton ML
Bill Cranston SL
Gavvy Cravath ML
Birdie Cree
Jean Dubuc
Ted Easterly
Dick Egan
Roy Ellam SL
Steamer Flanagan ML
Ed Foster SL
Jerry Freeman ML
Charlie Fritz SL
Art Fromme
Harry Gasper
Peaches Graham (Boston)
Ed Greminger SL
Tom Guiheen SL
Bill Hallman ML
Jack Hannifan ML
Bill Hart SL (Little Rock)
Jimmy Hart SL (Montgomery)
Topsy Hartsel
J. Ross Helm SL
Gordon Hickman SL
Harry Hinchman ML (Toledo)
Dick Hoblitzell
Izzy Hoffman ML (Providence)
Solly Hofman
Bock Hooker SL
Ernie Howard SL (Savannah)
Jimmy Jackson ML
A. O. (Dutch) Jordan SL (Atlanta)
Joe Kelley (HOF)
J.F. Kiernan SL
Frank King SL
Rube Kisinger ML
Red Kleinow (New York, catching)
Harry Krause (portrait)
Otto Kruger ML
James Lafitte SL
Harry Lentz SL
Perry Lipe SL
George Manion SL
Pat McCauley SL
Moose McCormick
Stoney McGlynn ML
Molly Miller SL (Dallas)
Bill Milligan ML
Carlton Molesworth SL
Dom Mullaney SL
Al Orth SL
George Paige SL
Hub Perdue SL
Arch Persons SL
Billy Purtell
Lee Quillen ML
Ed Reagan SL
Dutch Revelle SL
Bob Rhoades (Rhoads) (rt. arm extend)
Ike Rockenfeld SL
Dick Rudolph ML
Ray Ryan SL
Jim Scott
Charles Seitz SL
Shag Shaughnessy SL
Carlos Smith SL (Shreveport)
Frank Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Heinie Smith ML (Buffalo)
Sid Smith SL (Atlanta)
Dolly Stark SL
Jim Stephens
Bill Sweeney (Boston)
Tony Thebo SL
Ira Thomas
Woodie Thornton SL
John Titus
Juan Violat SL
James Westlake SL
Foley White SL (Houston)
Jack White ML (Buffalo)
Owen Wilson
Lucky Wright ML
Neal Ball (Cleveland)
George Bell (pitching follow thru)
Bill Bergen (catching)
Bob Bescher (hands in air)
Al Bridwell (portrait, with cap)
Howie Camnitz (arm at side)
Howie Camnitz (hands above head)
Frank Chance Batting (HOF)
Hal Chase Holding Trophy
Larry Doyle (N.Y. Natl., portrait)
Rube Geyer
Buck Herzog (Boston)
Harry Howell (hand at waist)
Rube Marquard Pitching (R) (HOF)
John McGraw Portrait, Cap (HOF)
Fred Merkle (throwing)
Tom Needham
Billy Payne
Admiral Schlei (batting)
Admiral Schlei (portrait)
Cy Seymour (portrait)
Zack Wheat (R) (HOF)
Hooks Wiltse (portrait, with cap)
Ed Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Red Ames (hands above head)
Home Run Baker (R) (HOF)
Chief Bender No Trees (HOF)
Heinie Berger
Mordecai Brown Chicago (HOF)
Al Burch (fielding)
Frank Chance Yellow Portrait (HOF)
Hal Chase Blue Portrait
Hal Chase Black Cap
Ty Cobb Red Portrait (HOF)
Ty Cobb Bat off Shoulder (HOF)
Sam Crawford With Bat
Harry Davis (Philadelphia, Davis on front)
Mike Donlin (with bat)
Mickey Doolan (batting)
Patsy Dougherty (arm in air)
Tom Downey (batting)
Johnny Evers Chicago (yellow sky) (HOF)
Lou Fiene (portrait)
Lou Fiene (throwing)
Hughie Jennings One Hand (HOF)
Hughie Jennings Two Hands (HOF)
Walter Johnson Glove at Chest (R) (HOF)
Tim Jordan (Brooklyn, batting)
Addie Joss Hands at Chest (HOF)
Red Kleinow Boston
Nap Lajoie With Bat (HOF)
Joe Lake (St Louis. No ball, r.h. visible)
Arlie Latham
Rube Manning (pitching)
Christy Mathewson Dark Cap (HOF)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
George McQuillan (with bat)
Chief Meyers
George Mullin (with bat)
Orval Overall (hands waist level)
Barney Pelty (vertical photo)
Jake Pfeister (Pfiester) (throwing)
Ed Reulbach (no glove showing)
Germany Schaefer (Washington)
Cy Seymour (throwing)
Harry Steinfeldt (with bat)
Doc White (Chicago, pitching)
Vic Willis Batting
Bill Dahlen Brooklyn

I have an Oberlin with an Old Mill back.

Ted,

I have these:

Chance (Yellow)
Doolan (Batting)
Kling
Kruger
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)

Scot

Hi Ted,
I have a Street and a Waddell Throwing
Best Wishes,
Mike Gray

Hi Ted,

I have Hooks Wiltse, Pitching

i have this one

I've got:

Gavvy Cravath
Dolly Stark (SLer)
Hughie Jennings (One Hand Showing)


Steve

Thanks much for your lengthy list. It's a great start to identifying the OLD MILL's.

TED Z

Ted,

I have the following (Brians's list proved too massive for me to effectively cross reference while watching Monday Night Football):

Jennings (one hand)
Donovan (Portrait)
Stovall (batting)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Fiene (throwing)
Stahl (apparently about to catch a punt)
Murray (portrait)
McCormick
Latham
Bell (pitching follow thru)
Hulswitt
Hannifan

You can add George Gibson to this list, as well.

Regards,

Richard.

Ted,

Could you send me an email please.

abravefan@msn.com

I can add Leach (Bending)

I have the following:

Campbell, Cin
Elberfeld, Wash
Feine, Chi AL Portrait
Johnson, Wash Ready to pitch
Leifield, Pgh Batting
Purtell, Chi AL
Scott, Chi AL
L Tannehill,Chi AL
Wilhelm, Bkln Batting

I'm sure they're all on the list, but like Anthony S. I'm too involved watching Green Bay to cross check.

I have one that doesn't appear on Brian's list or any of the follow ups:

Wildfire Schulte (Back View)

All my others have been accounted for.

Thanks.

Scott

Ted,

I have Beck
Burke
Flanagan
Sweeney
and SLer's:
Bernhard
Carey
Foster
Guiheen
Howard
Jordan
Kiernan
King
Lafitte
Lentz
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Miller
Molesworth
Mullaney
Otey
Paige
Reagan
Revelle
Shaughnessy
Thebo
Thornton
violat
Westlake

best,

barry

An email input adds Graham (St Louis) and Griffith (bat) to the confirmed OLD MILL list.

TED Z

Thanks for all your great responses.....to date, here is the list of the confirmed T206's with OLD MILL backs.

UPDATED....Sept. 9, 2008......185 cards

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (no trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis (A's)
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (with bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Easterly
Egan
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kling
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Needham
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Ritchey
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (Boston)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
Taylor
Ira Thomas
John Titus
Waddell (throwing)
Walsh
Wheat
White (Buffalo)
White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (pitching)



OLD MILL SOUTHERN LEAGUERS....48 cards

Bastian
Bay
Bernhard
Breitenstein
Carey
Coles
Cranston
Ellam
Foster
Fritz
Greminger
Guiheen
Hart (Little Rock)
Hart (Montgomery)
Helm
Hickman
Hooker
Howard (Savannah)
Jordan (Atlanta)
Kiernan
King
Lafitte
Lentz
Lipe
Manion
McCauley
Miller (Dallas)
Molesworth
Mullaney
Orth
Otey
Paige
Perdue
Persons
Reagan
Revelle
Rockenfeld
Ryan
Seitz
Shaughnessy
Smith (Atlanta)
Smith (Shreveport)
Stark
Thebo
Thornton
Violat
Westlake
White (Houston)


Grand total of OLD MILL's = 233 cards


I'm sure that there are more to be reported, so please continue to respond with your OLD MILL inputs to this survey.


Thanks again,


TED Z


Edited to add 14 cards to the list.

Thanks to two Net54 readers who have emailed 8 more OLD MILL inputs. And, 6 more OLD MILL's that I found in my T206
collection, brings the total of confirmed cards to 185.

14 new inputs........

Conroy (bat)
Devlin
Larry Doyle (bat)
Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Griffith (portrait)
Jacklitsch
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Parent
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Willetts

TED Z

UPDATED......9/10/08......confirmed OLD MILL cards = 198

Including the 48 - OLD MILL Southern Leaguers......the grand total = 246






Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (no trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis (A's)
Devlin
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (with bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (NY-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kling
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Livingstone
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Needham
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Ritchey
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (Boston)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
Taylor
Ira Thomas
John Titus
Waddell (throwing)
Walsh
Wheat
White (Buffalo)
White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (pitching)


Thanks for all your great responses.....keep providing your OLD MILL inputs.


TED Z

Ted, here are some more Old Mill backs to add:

Owen:


Sweeny (New York):


Tinker (Bat Off Shldr.):


C. Young (Glove Shows):



(Note: all images "borrowed" from eBay auctions)

ChiSoxFan

Looking for T206 Sweet Caporal Fact. #30 White Sox in Poor to Fair condition.

Thanx to ChiSoxFan and several Net54 readers......16 more OLD MILL's have been confirmed.


UPDATED......9/10/08......confirmed OLD MILL cards = 214

Including the 48 - OLD MILL Southern Leaguers......the grand total = 262






Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (no trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (bat)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Davis (A's)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kling
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Livingstone
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Needham
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
Taylor
Tenney
Ira Thomas
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
John Titus
Waddell (throwing)
Walsh
Wheat
White (Buffalo)
White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)
Zimmerman


Thanks for all your great responses....keep your OLD MILL inputs rolling in....can we attain 300+ confirmed ?


TED Z

Hey Ted,

Both Clarke (Pitts) cards have appeared in recent auctions:

Holding bat - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=360077282261&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=023

An SGC 84 portrait was in Barry's May '08 auction - http://www.sloateauction.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=438

--
Mike

Thanx MIKE for the two Fred Clarke's.

I'll add them to the list tomorrow. Also, two Net54 readers have emailed 4 more OLD MILL inputs.

Hahn
Knight (bat)
Magee (bat)
Turner

That raises the confirmed total to 220 cards.

Including the So. Lgers......grand total = 268

TED Z

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JIM B

Very nice Matty.....thanks for you input.


Additional OLD MILL inputs are........

George Davis (Chicago)

Hoffman (St Louis)

Johnson (portrait)

Rucker (throwing)

Smith (Brooklyn)

White (Chicago-portrait)

Cy Young (portrait)

Irv Young


With these new additions, the confirmed OLD MILL total = 229

Including the Southern Leaguers, the grand total = 277


T-Rex TED

Ted,

I can add the following two "star cards" to the list, both of which I currently own:

Bresnahan (Portrait)
Cy Young (Bare Hand)

Steve

P.S. - This is my first ever post! I've been collecting T206 off and on for 30 years (since I was 10 years old). Long time reader, first time contributor!

Welcome aboard STEVE......30 years of collecting T206's, you must have a nice collection.

Thanks for your OLD MILL inputs....1st time I've come across an OLD MILL of CYOUNG (bare hand), that's a tough
front/back combo.

Your two cards raises the total of confirmed OLD MILL T206's to 231.

Grand total = 279


Thanks again,

TED Z

Thanks for chiming in. Always good to have new old blood.....and I know Ted Z appreciates your help!! take care

Ted/Leon,

Thanks for the welcome! It's nice to be aboard.

Ted - my collection probably isn't what you'd think. I have only 135 T206s (though I do have most of the HOFers)and 25 T201s. Bought about half my cards through the mail when I was very young. I saved and saved to buy what I could, but the spending money was hard to come by. I only recently got back into the hobby after being out of it for over 10 years (a wife and three kids later). My cards are mostly mid-grade with emphisis on less common and scarce backs (side note: thanks to the infamous Scott Elkins, I am the proud owner of numerous scarce backed T206s, including an SGC 30 Broad Leaf 460). Not that long ago I made a commitment to never purchase another Piedmont or Sweet Caporal-backed T206. So now I am saving and saving to buy what I can, but with a family of five, the spending money is once again hard to come by! Life is funny that way.

Sorry to get OT...now back to the OLD MILL sub-set survey...

Quite interesting that you are collecting these gems with backs, other than the two easiest ones. Certainly makes for a real challenge.

TED Z

UPDATED......9/12/08......confirmed OLD MILL cards = 237

Including the 48 - OLD MILL Southern Leaguers......the grand total = 285







Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Livingstone
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
Taylor
Tenney
Ira Thomas
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Waddell (throwing)
Walsh
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Williams
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (no glove)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Thanks for all your great responses....keep your OLD MILL inputs rolling in....we are approaching 300 confirmed cards.


TED Z


Edited to add 5 new inputs from Net54 readers.

Hi Ted,

You might consider using the PSA population reports as a source. Checking the Old Mill listings, they have around 40 more for your list:

Abbaticchio (brown)
Bender (trees)
Bender (port)
Birmingham
Bradley (port)
Bridwell (no cap)
Conroy (field)
J. Delehanty
Elberfeld (Wash., field)
Elberfeld (Wash., port)
Evers (port)
Gilbert
Hemphill
Isbell
Jones, F. (hips)
Jones, F. (port)
Jordan, T. (port)
Joss (port)
Keeler (bat)
Kleinow (NY, bat)
Leach (port)
Lumley
Mathewson (white cap)
Marquard (standing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
Murray (port)
Myers (fielding)
Nichols (bat)
Sheckard (no glove)
Smith (F. Smith, Chi.)
J. Tannehill
Tinker (knees)
Waddell (port)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Weimer
Willett
Willis (Pitts.)
Wiltse (no cap)

If you're ok using PSA, we could check Tolstoi also.

Ron R

Thanks for checking out the PSA report. Can you also get the OLD MILL info from the SGC report ?

I'll wait for the SGC information and then add all these new inputs to the list.

Thanks again for your effort in this survey.

TED Z

Including the PSA data and the following 4 inputs from Net54 readers.....

Bransfield

Crandall (no cap)

Ferris

Lajoie (throwing)


Also, I asking anyone....do you have the SGC report of their OLD MILL population ?


TED Z

UPDATED......9/18/08......confirmed OLD MILL cards = 287

Including the 48 - OLD MILL Southern Leaguers......the grand total = 335







Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (port)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Duffy
Hummel
Lobert
Jesse Tannehill (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (port)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (NY)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (port)
Jordan (port)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (NY, bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (port)
Livingstone
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Ira Thomas
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (port)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (no glove)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Thanks for all your responses....keep your OLD MILL inputs rolling in....we now have 335 confirmed cards.


TED Z

Four more OLD MILL inputs from Net54 readers......

Herzog (NY)

McGraw (pointing)

McQuillan (ball in hand)

Stovall (portrait)


We have reached 328 confirmed OLD MILL's....I'm sure that we can expect some more....so, check-out your T206's ?

TED Z

Hi Ted,
I may have already mentioned it... but I have Frank Smith Chi&Bos too...

Be well Brian

Thanks for the Smith input. As you very well know how tough this T206 Subject is.

When found, more often than not, this card has a POLAR BEAR back. All other backs (including PIEDMONT 460) are
very tough to find on this card.

I have added him to the list.

Thanks again and be well,

TED Z

Hi Ted,
I got a chance to go thru the SGC population reports. It is tedious and SGC doesn't do a good job of breaking out the poses by different back types. Even so, I have a few more Old Mill backs to add to the list:

Covaleski
Duffy
Hummel
Lobert
J. Tannehill (Wash)

To give you an example of the SGC problem, they show an Old Mill back for George Browne. However, they don't say if it is the Chicago pose or the Washington. You have neither on your list so far.

Take Care,

Ron

Thanks much for digging up the SGC pop report on the OLD MILL's.


George Brown(e)....Washington is the one. The Chicago version is a 150-only Subject; and therefore, was not printed with
any 350 type backs (such as OLD MILL).

In adding these 6 to the confirmed list, we now have a grand total = 335

George Brown (Washington)
Covaleski
Duffy
Hummel
Lobert
Jesse Tannehill (Washington)


Take Care,

TED Z

You can add Nap Lajoie Portrait to the list I just seen one on ebay.

Mordecai Brown - Chicago on shirt
Frank Chance - batting
Wid Conroy - with bat
Dode Criss
Bill Dahlen - Brooklyn
Nap Lajoie - with bat
Joe Lake - St. Louis - ball in hand
Danny Murphy - batting
Orval Overall - hands at face level
Joe Tinker - bat on shoulder


Scott

UPDATED......9/24/08......confirmed OLD MILL cards = 290

Including the 48 - OLD MILL Southern Leaguers......the grand total = 338







Abbaticchio (brown sleeves)
Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Abbott
Alperman
Ames (portrait)
Ames (hands above head)
Anderson
Atz
Baker
Ball (Cleveland)
Batch
Bates
Beck
Bell (pitching)
Bender (portrait)
Bender (no trees)
Bender (trees)
Bergen (bat)
Bergen (catching)
Berger
Bescher (arms in air)
Birmingham
Blackburne
Bliss
Bowerman
Bradley (portrait)
Bradley (bat)
Brain
Bransfield
Bresnahan (portrait)
Bridwell (no cap)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
G. Brown (Washington)
Burch (fielding)
Burke
Burns
Bush
Camnitz (arm at side)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Campbell
Casey
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chance (bat)
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (white cap)
Chase (dark cap)
Chase (trophy)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
F. Clarke (bat)
Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Cobb (portrait-red)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Conroy (fielding)
Conroy (bat)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Cravath
Crawford (throwing)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Harry Davis (A's)
George Davis (Chicago)
Delehanty (Washington)
Devlin
Dineen
Donlin (seated)
Donlin (bat)
Donovan (portrait)
Dooin
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Duffy
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Durham
Easterly
Egan
Elberfeld (Washington-portrait)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (portrait)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferris
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Flick
Ford
Frill
Freeman
Fromme
Gandil
Gasper
Geyer
Gibson
Gilbert
Goode
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Griffith (portrait)
Griffith (bat)
Hahn
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Herzog (Boston)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howell (hand at waist)
Hulswitt
Hummel
Isbell
Jacklitsch
Jackson
Jennings (portrait)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (portrait)
Johnson (pitching)
Jones (Detroit)
F. Jones (hips)
F. Jones (portrait)
Jordan (portrait)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (portrait)
Joss (pitching)
Keeler (portrait)
Keeler (bat)
Kelley
Killian (hands at chest)
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Kleinow (Boston-catching)
Kleinow (New York-bat)
Kling
Knight (bat)
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause (portrait)
Kruger
Lajoie (portrait)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (St Louis-ball)
Lake (St Louis-no ball)
Latham
Lavender
Leach (portrait)
Livingstone
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Lobert
Lumley
Magee (bat)
Manning (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (hands/side)
Marquard (throwing)
Mathewson (white cap)
Mathewson (portrait)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McCormick
McGlynn
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (pointing)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Milligan
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Murphy (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Myers (fielding)
Needham
Nichols (bat)
Nicholls (fielding)
Oakes
Oberlin
Oldring (bat)
Oldring (fielding)
O'Leary (portrait)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Overall (blue sky)
Owen
Parent
Pastorius
Payne
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeffer
Pfeister (seated)
Pfeister (throwing)
Powell (horizontal)
Purtell
Quillen
Reulbach (no glove)
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritchey
Rucker (throwing)
Rudolph
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (bat)
Schlei (portrait)
Schmidt (throwing)
Schulte (back view)
Scott
Seymour (portrait)
Seymour (throwing)
Sheckard (no glove)
F. Smith (Chicago)
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Smith (Brooklyn)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (catching)
Spade
Stahl (glove)
Stanage
Steinfeldt (bat)
Stephens
Stone
Stovall (portrait)
Stovall (bat)
Street (catching)
Sullivan
Sweeney (Boston)
Sweeney (New York)
L. Tannehill (Chicago)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Tannehill (follow thru)
Taylor
Tenney
Ira Thomas
Tinker (hands/knees)
Tinker (bat on)
Tinker (bat off)
Titus
Turner
Waddell (throwing)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (left shoulder)
Wagner (right shoulder)
Wallace
Walsh
Weimer
Wheat
White (Chicago-portrait)
White (Chicago-pitching)
White (Buffalo)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willett
Willetts
Williams
Willis (Pittsburg)
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Wiltse (portrait-cap)
Wiltse (no cap)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (portrait)
CYoung (no glove)
CYoung (glove)
Irv Young
Zimmerman


Thanks to all Net54 T206 collectors for all your responses....keep your OLD MILL inputs rolling in......
new total = 338 confirmed cards.


TED Z


Edited....to add Manning (bat)

Thanks to a Net54 reader's response, Manning (bat) has been added to the list.

The new total = 338 confirmed OLD MILL's.


TED Z

Another great research thread that needs a bump.

Were the Old Mill Southern Leaguers marketed independently of the "regular" Old Mill backs? Or could you find both at points in a pack of Old Mills?

My experience indicates that the So. Lge. Old Mill's were issued prior the regular Old Mill's.

In recent years I have acquired two original T206 collections....one with 400+ Piedmont 150 cards which
included 26 So. Lger's....all of which were Old Mill's.

Th 2nd collection also was predominantly Piedmont's (220) and 16 Old Mill So. Lger's.

Perhaps, some one will chime in with more definite information.


TED Z

Ted,

I was thinking about this just this morning. The Old Mill ads that ran in several southern and border state newspapers from February-June 1910 show the southern leaguer Juan Viola emerging from an Old Mill pack but state that two pictures of "baseball players" are included in each pack. This may suggest that big leaguers and southern leaguers were comingled in Old Mill packs. Recall that in the earlier 1909 Hindu ads, ATC was very careful to distinguish between major leaguers and southern leaguers in its advertising.

Scot