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Scot
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Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 1:39 PM 


Brian,
That makes good sense.
Scot

 
 

J Hull
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Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 6:22 PM 

Looking again at the data I posted this morning, if you sort the list by the highest total sum (Piedmont + Old Mill) these are the "easiest" Southern Leaguers:

Orth = 75
Bastian = 73
Thebo = 72
Westlake = 70
Lentz = 68
Rockenfeld = 68
White = 65
Miller = 63
Smith (Shreveport) = 61
Hart (Little Rock) = 61
Hart (Montgomery) = 61
King = 60
Stark = 59
Seitz = 58
And then the 34 others.

And, yep, neat as can be, there are our 8 Hindu no-prints and 6 Texas Leaguers. I guess pop reports are good for something. happy.gif

 
 

J Hull
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Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 6:24 PM 

So, to Brian and others,
I think we can see the effect of the T210 set elsewhere as well. I hadn't made the connection until reading this thread, but consider this as well:

The 350-only series contains 124 American and National League cards. Only about 40%-45% of those 124 have been confirmed with Old Mill backs. For reference, that's roughly the same percentage as have been confirmed with Drum backs. And Drum and Old Mill have the lowest number of confirmed cards available among all the brands.

Among the 86 American Association and Eastern League cards only about 35%-40% have been confirmed with Old Mill backs. Drum has the same percentage. Again, Drum and Old Mill have the lowest percentage of confirmed cards of any brands.

So it seems to me that not only were Southern Leaguers pulled to make way for T210s, but all T206s were pulled. Since the 350-460 series T206 cards have all or almost all been confirmed with Old Mill backs, it seems like the timeline of T206 production included a hiatus with regard to Old Mill lasting from sometime early in the 350-only series until sometime after the beginning of the 350-460 series.

Jamie

 
 
Scot
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Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 7:30 PM 


Jamie,

Wow! 14-for-14. Rarely are data that clean.

This thread has made an important contribution to the T206 knowledge base.

Scot

 
 

Brian Weisner
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Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 8:06 PM 


Hi Jamie,
Nice work... But we aren't done yet... Ted, Scot, and a few others will help us complete the cycle...

I'm watching Tyler break the Tarheels scoring record tonight, but will be in touch tomorrow.

Be well Brian

PS too many people forget about the popularity and distribution of the brands...

PS 2 Barry... I'm typing really fast... so expect lots of errors...

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Hey BRIAN W

December 18 2008, 8:24 PM 

I think our combined efforts in this thread have resulted in proving that your SL-HINDU subset
is complete with 34 cards.

Congratulations, guy......tis quite an achievement. Certainly greater than any of my short-set
sub-sets.

TED Z


 
 

Brian Weisner
(Login BRIANKW)

Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 18 2008, 9:26 PM 

Hi Ted,

Thanks... But I don't see one being more impressive than the other...

We chose different sets and focused on acquiring the cards... We are both persistent, so we were bound to finish at some point.... But I don't think either one of us cares about such a small victory, we want to prove the big picture. And Buddy we aren't far away.



Talk to you soon. Brian



PS Tyler broke the record tonight and I have 30 people in the "man cave" down stairs so I have to go....


    
This message has been edited by BRIANKW on Dec 18, 2008 9:31 PM


 
 
barry arnold
(Login ethicsprof)

wow

December 19 2008, 2:20 AM 

Wow!
Congratulations,fellows.

Leon, this one belongs in the Net 54 Archive Center.


best,

Barry

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BARRY A

December 19 2008, 9:12 AM 

This thread is somewhat reminiscent of your famous EPDG thread. The posts on this thread are not as
numerous as your EPDG; nevertheless, these posts are very illuminating regarding the HINDU mysteries
and their relation to the availability of certain T206 Southern Leaguers.

The "taming" of the Monster continues.



TED Z



    
This message has been edited by tedzan on Dec 19, 2008 3:54 PM


 
 

Brian Weisner
(Login BRIANKW)

Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 19 2008, 4:14 PM 


Hi Jamie, Scot or Ted,
Check the Polar Bear data on the 350 cards when you have a chance and see what it looks like.... I would, but I'm looking after six kids right now....Help.............. Be well Brian

 
 

J Hull
(Login jimonym)

Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 19 2008, 4:31 PM 

Ha Brian. Sounds like fun.
I'm sitting in a mostly empty office watching a blizzard, so here you go.
P.S. This data's a couple months out of date, so could be missing a few. And/or someone else may have more complete numbers...


All 350-only cards (AL + NL + AA + EL):
210 cards / 143 confirmed with Polar Bear backs (68%)

American and National Leaguers:
72 out of 124 confirmed to have Polar Bear backs (58%)

American Association:
36 out of 39 confirmed to have Polar Bear backs (92%)

Eastern League:
35 out of 47 confirmed to have Polar Bear backs (74%)


 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

POLAR BEAR's....great topic for today's weather...

December 19 2008, 9:04 PM 

I'm not sure how we got sidetracked to accounting for Polar Bear (PB) backs; however, I find it very
interesting that all 61 Subjects (incl. 6 super-prints) in the 350/460 Series and all 48 Subjects in the
460-only Series were printed with PB backs. Yet, in the 350-only Series there appears to be 67 No-
Prints (subject to revision).

Scot and I discussed this recently, and my observation is that in anticipation of the ATC divestiture
(circa early 1911) the Polar Bear brand was assigned to the Lorillard Co. Then there appears to have
been a significant increase in production of Polar Bear tobacco, as reflected by the fact that not only
all 109 of these cards are found with the PB backs; but, more so than other brands.

For example, both Cobb's in the 350/460 series and Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chi & Bos) are found
with a greater ratio of PB backs than with the other brands.

Perhaps someone can confirm this observation with pop. report data.

TED Z



 
 

Brian Weisner
(Login BRIANKW)

Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 20 2008, 9:40 AM 


Thanks Jamie,
Stay warm and safe in the storm...


Hi Ted,
I wasn't trying to get off topic, but confirm some thoughts I've had on the distribution of certain brands with certain leagues.


Be well Brian

PS The kids are going to the Nutcracker all day, so I'm free to post away.
Now I need some Diet coke to wake up my brain.

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BRIAN W

December 20 2008, 9:50 AM 

Hey guy....I welcome more analysis of these cards....what do you think of my thoughts of POLAR BEAR's being printed
in much larger numbers for the 460 series cards ?

This includes the 460 versions of the 350/460 series group.


TED Z

P.S.....drink the real Coke (or Pepsi)....that diet stuff is deleterious to your system.


 
 

Brian Weisner
(Login BRIANKW)

Re: Why the scarcity of certain T206 Southern Leaguers ?

December 20 2008, 10:27 AM 



Hi Ted,
I think you are probably right, but I haven't really studied the data on Polar Bears in awhile. I'll take a look when the brain wakes up....

Talk to you soon. Be well Brian


PS I got off of Caffeine for two years and felt better than I ever have... Then I got married, went through four pregnancies and have two busy children, so I started back. I don't eat any sweats... no cakes, pies, ice cream, candy or sugar of any kind, so Diet Coke is the only way to go for me... I working on switching to Cranberry juice, but it hasn't worked yet.

 
 
barry arnold
(Login ethicsprof)

scarcity

December 20 2008, 8:17 PM 

Ted Z,
Many thanks for the EPDG memories!! The 'taming' of the Monster is well on its way, thanks to many, but particularly to those who have done the
great research on this thread!

Merry Christmas, ole friend

Barry

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BARRY A

December 20 2008, 10:07 PM 

Wishing you and Margarite a very MERRY CHRISTMAS....my dear friend.


TED Z

I hope I spelled your lovely wife's name correctly.


 
 
 
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