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Brian Crotts

January 25 2009 at 5:13 PM
Mike Peich  (Login mpeich)

 
I bought a card from Brian Crotts, he has the payment, and I have no card. His last email said he'd send me the tracking number, but when I responded, my message was kicked back. Can anyone put me in touch with him, and/or vouch for his honesty? I am beginning to question the validity of the transaction.

Many thanks,
Mike

 
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Dan Bretta
(Login slidekellyslide)
Network 54 Moderator

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:15 PM 

The name doesn't sound familiar to me...was this on the B/S/T?

 
 
Fred C
(Login JudgeDred2)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:18 PM 

Dan,



I think this is the same Brian that had a thread dedicated to an inaccurately PSA authenticated autograph on a 1939 Playball card.


    
This message has been edited by JudgeDred2 on Jan 25, 2009 5:23 PM


 
 
Rhett Yeakley
(Login rhettmyeakley)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:23 PM 

Mike, this Brian is the same one in the thread about the MS charity and the PSA/DNA 1939 Play Ball Goof.

A few months back I helped him with some info on a card, he then asked if I wanted it to make him an offer. I immediately sent him an email offering something like $60-70, and I didn't hear from him for 4-5 days, then I got an email saying it was mine at that price. Anyways I don't see the email for a few hours or so and email him saying that the money is on the way. I get an email back immediately saying I wasn't fast enough and that he needed an answer sooner and decided to sell it to someone else.

Long story short is this guy is a deadbeat and shouldn't be allowed to deal on this forum anymore. My experience was before the 1939 Play Ball thing and this from you, but I think his true colors have been exposed. He is bad news.

-Rhett


 
 
Mike Peich
(Login mpeich)

Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:24 PM 

Hi Dan,

Yes, he listed the card, T3 of Kling, on the BST. We reached an agreement on price, and I mailed him payment on 12/30, which he cashed and cleared on 1/5. I think I've been scammed.

Mike

 
 
Mike Peich
(Login mpeich)

Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:28 PM 

Hi Rhett,

Thank you for the additional information. He wrote me this past Wednesday and said that he was at work and would send me the tracking number on the card later in the day when he returned home. I heard nothing. When I emailed him today (Sunday, 1/25), my email was kicked back suggesting that he no longer had a valid email address.

I don't know what the procedure is on this type of illicit transaction, but maybe Leon needs to weigh in and give me some guidance.

Thanks for all the responses.

Cheers, Mike

 
 

quan
(Login quannimir)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:30 PM 

even if he has a valid excuse here...how do you buy from him after the '39 playball thread and all those CU people coming over saying he was scamming people from over there???



not sure what leon could help u with here...maybe a PSA?



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This message has been edited by leonl on Jan 25, 2009 6:20 PM


 
 
Mike Peich
(Login mpeich)

Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:34 PM 

Real simple Quan--I didn't read the thread. I don't always have the time to read everything posted on this forum.

Mike

 
 

quan
(Login quannimir)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:39 PM 

i hear ya mike...when i see a new name i don't recognize selling stuff i would ask for references right away. i've been burned before, it sucks so i'm more cautious than ever. (or send paypal cc)

didn't mean to sound harsh but it pisses me off seing a long time member maybe getting scammed by a board newbie...


    
This message has been edited by quannimir on Jan 25, 2009 5:41 PM


 
 
Mike Peich
(Login mpeich)

Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:41 PM 

Quan--I agree, and this is a lesson learned. I hope we can ban this guy from our forum.

Cheers,
Mike

 
 

Dan Bretta
(Login slidekellyslide)
Network 54 Moderator

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:43 PM 

Rest assured if he doesn't come through ASAP with your card or money back he will be banned.

 
 

quan
(Login quannimir)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 5:49 PM 

i think mike will get his card...100-150 seems like such a small amount to scam someone out of, with all the hassles/stress/complications that come with it.

 
 

Jim VB
(Login jvb6034)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 6:13 PM 

Mike,

Here's his most recent thread. The first post includes an email address. Not sure if that's the same one you have or not.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1231881447/last-1232825259/WOW+-+Banned+From+PSA

I believe he was on the board as recently as a day or two ago at the bottom of that thread.

Hope this helps.

 
 
barrysloate
(Login barrysloate)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 6:16 PM 

I know Leon treats the BST as caveat emptor, which is not unreasonable, but maybe new sellers should have to provide some kind of references. Sorry about your experience Mike.

 
 

Steve F
(Login fdnyladder7)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 6:22 PM 

While not offering 100% security, perhaps the possibility of displaying a Seller's longevity w/in BST posts would help prevent this sh!t?

 
 

leon
(Premier Login leonl)
Network 54 Moderator

Mike

January 25 2009, 6:27 PM 

Sorry about your issue. We have still only had around a handful of problems in about 3 1/2 yrs in which I have been moderating. That's still too many. And of course Dan is correct. This guy, Brian for MS, won't be allowed to participate on this forum or the BST until he makes this situation right. After that we can decide what to do next. I think we will want explanations for the other BS I have seen too. It sort of seemed like everything had been worked out with his $75 PSA fiasco and I thought it was over. We certainly don't need deadbeats on the forum....plus there can be legal action if there was a theft. Just because stuff happens on the BST doesn't mean there are no laws that can be broken. I strongly recommend folks to ask for references when doing business with folks you don't know. I think I even posted a thread about it in the last week or so. regards

 
 
Steve
(Login WinPitcher)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 6:28 PM 

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

His ebay feedback is in the toilet, with that said

I think he will come through.


Steve

 
 

Anonymous
(Premier Login leonl)
Network 54 Moderator

guys

January 25 2009, 6:36 PM 

With the NET54 s/w there is no way to rate each person. We could set up another index/forum with known good sellers on the BST? I can see an issue now:
Someone shoots me an email to add them to the list of good guys.....he/she gives Mastro and REA as references and I check and he/she is registered with them and there are no issues. So I add them to the list and BAM....they scam someone. Now I am liable as I have said they were ok.

I know this is a little far fetched..... but not too far, if ya'll know what I mean? I still think that with all that goes on over there, and the difficulty in managing it, there will not be a perfect system for us. I am open to suggestions. Please remember to ask for REFERENCES if the other person is not well known.... regards


    
This message has been edited by leonl on Jan 25, 2009 8:18 PM


 
 
Steve
(Login WinPitcher)

Re: Brian Crotts

January 25 2009, 6:37 PM 

Mike

How did you pay? Hopefully paypal?


Steve

 
 
Tim Kindler
(Login abbatachio)

Try to Look at Earlier Sales

January 25 2009, 6:38 PM 

If I'm interested in buying from the BST, and I don't recognize a name right away, I'll go through the previous few pages of the BST to see how many previous sales they might have had in recent times. If they have a few or more recent transactions, then I can count on them being safe. The great thing about this board is that if there is someone dishonest, they will be outed right away, and justifiably so! Mike, sorry about your situation, but thanks for further outing this character. Good luck with the resolution. Because of Leon's and everyone else who participates dilligence when it comes to patrolling honesty, our BST is by far still one of the safest places to do business.
Tim Kindler

 
 
 
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