Even though Bill Mastro had sold his company I believe he still had daily activity at Mastro Auctions and was still very much in the scenes at shows, events and functions, at least from what I saw around the Nationals I have attended. I don't believe he will be affiliated with the new company in any capacity. It does look as though the other 3 top executives have gone to form the new auction house. I know all of them and I wish them the best. Doug has always been a strong supporter of Net54 and it's appreciated. As a matter of fact Doug has already said he would like to speak again this year at the 8th (I think) National Net54 Dinner. best regards
edited to add that one of these threads at the top is enough
This message has been edited by leonl on Mar 10, 2009 10:36 PM
You can rest assured all of those matters will be taken care of in a professional manner. I didn't talk to Doug specifically about it but I am sure everything is fine there. I even asked if he could get my latest winnings out soon and he said no problem. I am quite sure no consignor or winning bidder will lose a penny in the transition. The top 3 folks have been in the hobby a long time and are still in it. regards
OK, What is the real story behind all of the possible suspicious stuff that went on with Mastro and the four gentlemen who owned it. I have heard/ read things supposedly where they were being investigated for some kind of wrong doing and that there was suppossedly FEDS on the floor of the National last year investigating them. Before I would ever think badly of them or have a negative feeling about their new company, does anyone really have the facts behind all of these rumors or investigations?
I have bought and sold through Mastro, approximately from 2003 to 2007, but haven't done any business with them since. No particualr reason for this, but nothing has struck my interest. My dealings with them have been positive. I just wish I knew the real story and maybe there IS NO story.
All the public, or I, know is that there was/is an investigation going on with Mastro Auctions. I have heard a million rumors about other things but I think that is all we really know for sure. Does anyone else have proof of anything else? regards
Legendary Auctions Acquires Assets of Mastro Auctions
New Sports and Americana collectibles source to provide enhanced personalized customer service to the hobby
Lansing, IL March 2, 2009 - Legendary Auctions, a newly formed Sports and Americana auction house has announced today it has taken possession of Mastro Auctions assets. Legendary Auctions will preside over a customer base that has been responsible for the sale of over a quarter of a billion in sales of the finest memorabilia since 1996. All current registered bidders in Mastro Auctions will be automatically transferred to Legendary Auctions and the current catalog subscriptions will be honored. The completion of all outstanding Mastro Auctions business will be seamlessly facilitated, processed and completed through Legendary Auctions.
While Legendary Auctions presents an exciting new industry collectibles source for high quality Sports and Americana items, its leadership possesses over 100 years of collecting experience. Well- known and respected hobby veterans, Doug Allen, Mark Theotikos and Ron Oser will head the new auction house at its corporate headquarters in Lansing, IL, as well as its East Coast consignment presence in the Philadelphia area.
Legendary Auctions will hit the ground running and launch its first auction event in April 2009. The sale will include a wide selection of high-end Sports and Americana. According to Doug Allen, CEO of Legendary Auctions, the new firm will focus on mainstream, important Sports and Americana material, and will be built on a foundation of personalized, one-on-one customer service.
"In moving forward, we recognize the need to take stock of what has been so successful in the past," says Allen. "At its core, this has always a relationship driven business. Legendary Auctions will be a customer-centric operation at every level."
Legendary Auctions will ensure that the auction process is pure by guaranteeing that there will be no in-house bidding in their event. "The principals employed by Legendary Auctions will put their own collecting interests aside and concentrate solely on providing opportunities for our customers," said Allen. "There will be no mixing of business and pleasure at Legendary Auctions in terms of our own collecting pursuits. This will really be all about our customers."
Initially, Legendary Auctions plans to conduct five auctions annually. There will be four phone/internet events and one live event during the summer. Bidding in the April 2009 auction will begin on Monday, April 20th and conclude on Wednesday and Thursday April 29th and 30th.
Bill Mastro, who for the past decade has led Mastro Auctions will not be part of Legendary Auctions. The hobby pioneer has acknowledged that for a time he will step away from the hobby. "Circumstances make it clear to me that the business needs to move in a different direction at this time and Legendary Auctions is a positive step that allows everyone to be taken care of, especially our customers who have been so loyal," said Mastro. "I am looking forward to taking some time off for now, and wish Legendary Auctions only the best as they move forward."
Legendary Auctions is still currently accepting high quality consignment material for their April Premier Auction event.
For more information on Legendary Auctions, a schedule of auction events or to consign an item in future auctions, call 708-889-9380 or go to www.legendaryauctions.com.
It seems like Doug and crew wanted to divest themselves of the Mastro name and influence. It's going to be business as usual. I'm willing to guess that they're going to continue to offer lots of nice material.
Note that they took over assets and did not just buy the company stock outright. Among other things, this means that the new owners of the assets generally do not take over Mastro liabilities. Usually this is in play for possible future environmental issues, product or employee lawsuits, etc. But along with shedding the name, they've shed liabilities for the most part too.
Not sure it's a factor here. Most buyers want an asset deal rather than a stock deal for a variety of reasons, not just the liability considerations.
Liabilities can be held to follow assets if a court finds that the purchaser is merely a continuation of the seller or if a transaction is entered into fraudulently for the purpose of escaping liability for the sellers obligations. I have no idea if either circumstance would apply here, just trying to complete the statement of the law.
This message has been edited by Peter_Spaeth on Mar 11, 2009 7:38 AM
I checked out their site last night, and it looks like some of the links are still active...
Nice to see that they just copied the Mastro auction rule page over verbatim. Their main page had originally indicated that BP was going to be 17.5, not the 20% listed.
One interesting thing from their email:
"Legendary Auctions will ensure that the auction process is pure by guaranteeing that there will be no in-house bidding in their event. "The principals employed by Legendary Auctions will put their own collecting interests aside and concentrate solely on providing opportunities for our customers," said Allen. "There will be no mixing of business and pleasure at Legendary Auctions in terms of our own collecting pursuits. This will really be all about our customers."
Good for starters. I hope this means that they won't be listing any employee or principals items in the auction as well.
That's exactly why I inserted the word "generally" and said I wasn't sure if it was a factor here. That was leaving wiggle room for this issue. Plus I wanted to be careful not to make any strong statement that suggested there are big or specific potential liabilities even out there for people to be concerned about, b/c I have no clue that there are any.
Maybe its me, but this is a mess. i certainly do not know what has happened to Mastro Auctions, but they went from the White House to the Out House. Selling $10,000,000 record auctions to slipping away literally over night.
the economy and trust issues are not going to make this an easy path. i think they should have waited and made this seem more like a brand new venture. this to me is lipstick on a pig.
Everyone here is much more knowledgeable about Mastro than me, but since this is an Internet Message Board....everyone can have an opinion
I agree that this seems like putting lipstick on a pig. Seems like a lot of short term thinking going on by those guys.
Some people will still be suspicious about them and think there is something crooked going on. But I have to believe that the new heads of Legendary Auctions don't really care about those few people. They have a bunch of consignments for their next auction in April and are eager to reap the $$ from those sales. Is that short term thinking? Yup.
Long term they will continue lose ground to REA and others, as future consignors see the huge sums and top notch items being sold by other houses. But there is enough of an established base of people who will consign and bid in their auctions to keep them humming. No disrespect meant, but the 20 or so vocal people here, who disdain them won't prevent the people who run the place from making a good living. Mastro was once upon a time at the top of the heap. Now they are headed to be a second tier auction house (at least in sports). But can you still make a good living running a 2nd tier house? Yup.
PR-wise I would say from reading their press release that these guys have heard the complaints about Mastro customer service. It will be interesting to see if they can improve the service so many people complain about.
I agree with Michael. They have built up such a huge following that we collectors probably won't notice any decline in quality of memorabilia in their auctions. Did they say they are eliminating their "classic" auctions. Perhaps, they will be combining their "premier" auctions with their "classic" auctions. Nevertheless, if the quality in upcoming auctions is not as good as previous auctions, we won't know if it's because of the economy or because of this change. I just hope they still offer free catalogs, though.
I am not sure what to think about all this, only time will tell if the change will work for these guys. Maybe the hobby is changing for the better, or this is just a sign of things getting worse. Interesting story and maybe we can all learn something about what really happened. The one thing I do know is this change will gain a lot of attention in the hobby, and more information will soon be available.
It seems like Doug and crew wanted to divest themselves of the Mastro name and influence. It's going to be business as usual. I'm willing to guess that they're going to continue to offer lots of nice material.
Interested to know if anyone is still waiting for their December Mastro consignment check? Hate to post openly about it but they said it was mailed 12 days ago (way past their 45 day commitment) and the past few days they have not been picking up the phone nor responding to voicemails/emails (now I see why). They have an opportunity to make this right of course but with 0 customer service and a convenient change of identity I'm just trying to figure out what kind of fight I am in for.
Update: Just got a call from Mastro (perhaps the awesome power of this board?) and they said they will be cutting a check and mailing out. So while it was not mailed when them claimed 12 days ago it does sound like they are working to resolve outstanding stuff which is all I can ask at this point considering and hope it goes out as they promise.
This message has been edited by tbarlage on Mar 11, 2009 12:56 PM
"Some people will still be suspicious about them and think there is something crooked going on. But I have to believe that the new heads of Legendary Auctions don't really care about those few people."
Truer words never spoken.
And Tom, maybe you should email the head of Legendary Auctions at his Mastro email address?
This really just continues an amazing chain of events concerning Mastro Auctions and Doug Allen over the last year.
You gotta think this is just an attempt by Doug to layer himself and his cohorts from legal liability that could result from multiple lawsuits against MastroNet if indeed it turns out that shill bidding was going on for years (as their inability to produce bidding records to the FBI would seem to indicate). As others have pointed out though, the manner in which they've done it (which I would assume came under advice from their criminal defense lawyers) seems extraordinarily transparent and probably wouldn't stick.
Personally, I wonder if this means that charges are imminent from the FBI investigation, and this is an attempt to prevent the FBI from seizing their assets (well, their consignor's assets). Knowing that that threat is hanging over them, I just don't know how anyone consigns valuable material to them unless they are truly desperate (i.e., American Memorabilia desperate).
With their sales already way down (suspiciously after the investigation was announced and after Doug announced Mastro would start keeping bidding records), I just don't see how this rather half-ass attempt at a new incarnation is going to survive.
I still vividly recall getting an unsolicited call from Doug Allen about five years ago vehemently denying that the fact that Mastro allowed its employees to bid on Mastro auctions was harmful to bidder trust and could give the appearance that shill bidding was going on. It only took five years and an FBI criminal investigation to change his mind.
You just know that somewhere Rob Lifson is reading this stuff and laughing his butt off.
I can hardly wait for the lawsuits to start flying
March 11 2009, 4:52 PM
I know a number of consignors to past Mastro auctions who are owed considerable money for months now. They are getting no answer on the phone when trying to contact Mastro. Doesn't look confidence inspiring.
If the asset sales deals I've been attacking lately as fraudulent transfers are any indicator, the goal of the transfer is to leave all of the liabilities and obligations with the dead shell and start fresh. Normally that would mean that the purchaser obtains only enumerated assets and leaves the rest behind. Whether the book of future auction consignments is assignable and has been assigned is a good question. You would have to check your Mastro contract to see if they could assign your consignment to another entity. On the older ones I had I did not see anything allowing for or disallowing assignment. Any IL attorneys could better explain those issues.
Given the way all this went down, I would not consign them a 1993 Donruss set...except with a big cash advance.
Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
This message has been edited by boxingcardman on Mar 11, 2009 6:13 PM
If consignors are out there who have yet to be paid, name them. I believe everyone was paid, late by a month but paid. If anyone has a name or wants to speak up, please do. I was one of the consignors and I was paid. It seems like this would be the place for an unpaid consignor to rant and rave and I've yet to see it...rumors and more rumors at this point.
Matt-I read the thread. I read the "I know of others" claim. Im just saying, name them. Have them come on here and tell the stories, if they have a story. Having a lot of unpaid consignors when none of them are posting on here regarding it...doesn't seem plausible. All holy hell breaks loose on here regualrly when something as small as an overgraded card is sold, a misdated title in an auction listing. That's the great thing of this board, nothing is going to sneak by. If there are a lot of consignors who have yet to be paid, where are they? Why aren't they posting here? That's what I am asking.
This message has been edited by nyyanksghr on Mar 11, 2009 7:21 PM This message has been edited by nyyanksghr on Mar 11, 2009 7:21 PM
"I know a number of consignors to past Mastro auctions who are owed considerable money for months now. They are getting no answer on the phone when trying to contact Mastro. Doesn't look confidence inspiring. "
Its strange to me because when the rumors started, I had not been paid (was not late at that point). the first thing I did was pick up the phone and call everyone I knew who regularly consigned. I know of 8-10 in total. We all panicked for a couple of weeks. In the end, the panic was for nothing. I was paid, so was everyone else I knew. Two were 6 figure consignors, both were paid. I just haven't seen anything except for rumors.
This message has been edited by nyyanksghr on Mar 11, 2009 7:40 PM
I have not been paid in full from the December auction, and my calls, fax, and letter to Doug Allen have gone unanswered since I received a partial payment on or about February 16th.
I know of at least one other person that has not been paid either from that auction.
We, who called the GREAT DEPRESSION of 09 back in March of 2008;
who accurately predicted the collapse of the stock market,
and raised the possibility that a handful of major auction houses
would go under predict that at least two other important
baseball auction firms will close their doors before year's end.
Consignors beware And remember
TRUST NO ONE DOUBLE CHECK EVERYONE!
We are still in the early innings of what is sure to be the worst economic
disaster since the mid 19th century.
Mastro's situation has everything to do with bad and/or corrupt business practices and nothing to do with the economy. They'd been on borrowed time since the FBI named them as a target of a criminal investigation.
Honestly, get it through your heads that no one is going to panic-sell you their cards over your Chicken Little routine, no matter how many times you inject that non-sequitur into the conversation.
We don't share our commentary to encourage Board Members to sell us their cards.
In fact, very few of the cards that we are offered meet our ultra high standards.
However, that said since January 2009, we have acquired 12 different type
card examples from BST and our other advertising. In each and every case the price
we paid was at least 20% below the most recent price on VCP. That can only be explained
by a drop in price in the baseball card market.
America's Toughest Want List
This message has been edited by Yankeefan51 on Mar 11, 2009 11:27 PM
However, that said since January 2009, we have acquired 12 different type card examples from BST and our other advertising. In each and every case the price we paid was at least 20% below the most recent price on VCP. That can only be explained by a drop in price in the baseball card market.
No, there are other explanations for it.
off the top of my head :
- the previous price was too high
- the previous example was far nicer for the same grade
- the person needed to sell immediately
- you lowballed 120 offers, 10% took the deal and 90% told you where you could go
Our favorite example of a physics experiment gone wrong is once again
incorrect in stating that we were bragging about paying low ball prices.
We paid market prices (as we always do). We simply observed that the market
has gone south.
Our most recent acquisition was offered to us six months ago after the seller
won it on E Bay. We were the under-bidder. The card sold for $350 and the seller
offered it to us for $750. We went back and forth for months- finally, he put the
card back on E Bay and we were the high bidder at $260.00
The simple fact is, regardless of who wants to acknowledge reality, that the baseball
card market (with a few notable exceptions) has dropped precipitously during the
past six months.
One of kind items such as a Cracker Jack Poster or beautiful rare 19th baseball advertising
piece will continue to attract wealthy collectors...but the market for low grade, mid grade and
most high grade cards is off. End of story.
"One of kind items such as a Cracker Jack Poster or beautiful rare 19th baseball advertising
piece will continue to attract wealthy collectors...but the market for low grade, mid grade and
most high grade cards is off. End of story."
But Bruce... I thought you guys don't buy "low grade, mid grade and high grade cards."
Has (GASP!) the ultra high grade market collapsed?
This may be the first time in the history of American commerce that a principal in a new venture is refusing publicity. Then again, I suppose you can't blame him for not talking to that evil hater O'Keeffe.
What I hate about all of this is that there is apparently an "inner circle" of people who are able to get quicker shipping (from the Feb auction), returned phone calls, and returned emails. I can't get any of these. Legendary can remove me from their mailing list and save a few bucks on shipping catalogs.
Well, I do have a secret bat phone to the bat cave so let me try to help and make a friendly offer.
If anyone is having an issue getting an answer from Mastro about a consignment check, their winnings (they are still shipping from their last auction), a call back, or anything else, please send me an email and I will help get you answers. No, this shouldn't HAVE to be done but in the name of helping hobby friends, on both sides of the equation, I will help. I don't need specifics, if they are confidential, but just shoot me the email with a good daytime phone number/email, and I will get you answers. It's just that easy. Thanks much...
Lichtman.....the Brooklyn bridge is indeed one of the highlights in Mastro's....ooopppssss.....i mean.......corrupt-schill-inc.....oooppssssss....i mean legendaryauctions. The opening bid will begin once the police get this group of folks standing on one of the ledges.....who are these people anyway.....hmmmmmmm.......i have to get a close up.......zooms in..........oh jeeeezzzz....shoulda guessed that one........i will not mention names because i'm hoping the bridge will meet reserve.
George HC......At least Bruce will share his thoughts on topics in an open forum unlike some folks on here that truly do have multiple personalities and pretend to be such outstanding sincere folks then e-mail folks privately with their true thoughts......ummmmmmm...i heard there is a sale on Haldol and Zyprexa this weekend so good luck.
This message has been edited by shoelessjj on Mar 12, 2009 10:54 AM This message has been edited by shoelessjj on Mar 12, 2009 10:51 AM
Can you imagine that someone actually actually has such horrible words such as suck and a slogan Your F&^&kin in on their website? -Gasp- he must be satanic or something and worship the devil....man i'm sure their is already a lynch mob started to ban the guy...........
I preserve some weblinks to old Mastro auctions on my website. Is there a way to copy the webpage apart from the website and keep it even after Mastro's old website is (inevitably, right?) taken offline?
Paul - their new site sports the logo of SimpleAuctionSite.com which is an entirely different piece of software then what was used to run their auctions previously. Even if they desire to spend the money on re-importing their archives into the SimpleAuctionSite software, I doubt that the link strcuture and IDs would be consistent with what they used to be.
To save any web page while using Internet Explorer, simply do the following:
In the menu Select "Page"
then "Save as..."
then in "Save as type:"
select "Web Archive, single file (*.mht)"
This will save the entire page, not just what is seen in a screen shot, as a single file that can be reopened in IE when desired.
For archiving for reference purposes this is much cleaner that if it is saved as "Web Page, HTML only (*.htm, *.html)" which will save the actual html file, and then separately save all of the files that are refenced into the page such as images, etc.
Jodi - it's not a browser add-in, but a simple Alt-Print Screen combo will copy the browser display as an image to the clipboard. Then just open up Paint and paste and save as a jpg and you've got something pretty similar.
how come we never see the Bruces actually show any of these monumental acquisitions. Are they too figments of your imagination, like the imaginary friends that populate the "Group"?
Your tired card-god rap reminds me of Eddie Murphy's character in Trading Places trying to convince the other prisoners he was a stud when he was really just a bum:
Billy Ray Valentine: Beat the *** out of ten cops, had to change my whole strategy around.
Even Bigger Guy: Yo, when they brought you in here and booked you, you was cryin' like a *****
Big Guy: Yeah!
Billy Ray Valentine: That's because they sprayed tear gas in my face, and that's the kind of *** they use on crowds and I could still walk in here like a man, so get out of my face, alright?
Even Bigger Guy: I mean you beatin' 10 cops? You putting a man in the hospital? How come I don't see no bruises on you?
Big Guy: Yeah!
Billy Ray Valentine: 'Cause I'm a karate man! And a karate man bruises on the inside! They don't show their weakness. But you don't know that because you're a big Barry White looking ******! So get outta my face! I wish my ****** would get here. I ain't got time to be sitting in this cell with you.
Even Bigger Guy: Where are your ******, Mr. Big-Time Pimp?
Big Guy: Yeah!
Even Bigger Guy: It aint cool bein no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving
So I'm calling you out, Bruces, right here, right now. Put up or shut up time. If you want anyone to take anything you say seriously ever again, let's see all these magnificent new acquisitions by the Dorskind Group. We have multiple acquisition threads every month. Post some of these great cards from America's Toughest Want List or quit running your mouth.
(BTW, I'm still looking for the book(s) you said you've written. They, and all references to them seem to have disappeared completely.)
Just for the hell of it, I will mention that items from my collection have been pictured in Yankees Magazine, and the New York Times's book "The New York Yankees Illustrated History," published by St. Martin's Press.
Uhhh Ohhhh....Bruce now you have done it. By answering questions and talking about cards that you own you are now going to get put in the arrogant,rich man,self promoting.......i guess that just about covers it name calling category......i was driving down the newtwork54 highway and noticed you were pulled over by the Network54 police.......when did Wonka get a new Chocolate Eclair squad car? I must admit that the red and white peppermint rims were kinda cool.
What is so hilarious is that this police squad always wants someone to prove something or show something. Also when a person does show something or prove facts then the whole crew gets in the Eclair squad cars and heads over to Sloates house to give out awards to best baseball card lister of that month. Of course Barry always wins because even the police squad could not bear the sounds of whining that would be brought on them if Captain Ebay of Brookyln would lose.
Marshall your fascination with me is flattering to say the least, and you can also take your nose out of Bruce's rear end I can assure you that you two have nothing in common.
Also for the record I know Bruce has some amazing cards, nothing negative was said about Bruce just he missed out on some T209's on his list.
But hey what a surprise! A post from you that has nothing to do with cards. Just more puffery and cheap shots love to see you post a card or some knowledge about cards. Also love how the posts directed to Bruce round back to you...LOL
It's becoming very clear why we only see you respond or post in the OT threads.
I'm not taking shots at you daily although it would be easy too..not sure why you keep tossing down about me daily?
For the record I believe Adam made a call out post not me...
Marshall, how about adding something positive to the board instead of showing off your huge persecution complex. The posts weren't even aimed at you and yet you still have to bring it around to being all about poor Marshall.
David, look at the bright side: you'll have at least one opportunity to consign to Mastro-Lite. Granted, you may not be all that enthusiastic considering the fact that the proceeds of your last consignment are being held hostage.
Ohhhh man now i am in trouble......Judge stands and is pissed....Silence in the courtroom.....i said silence...Wonka is not done with MB3.....
Sweetness.......i have seen you post a countless number of times in regards to Bruce not going after certain high end cards and my question to you is simple- Who cares?. What good can come out of that? Why even bother to post it? Just like when you rolled up in your Chocolate Eclair flying saucer and started talking trash on indian cabinet cards and your collecting knowledge, do you think i care about any items you own? Have i ever questioned any items that you have? . The point is not whether you are right or wrong is that you are not a dumb person, when you question someone expect a response and big deal if it is not the response you are looking for. I'm sure the man can see those cards but perhaps he has reasons for not buying them. I love Hal Chase and i would buy that card at Milehigh right now in a PSA 8.5 but the back of that card bugs the sh&^t out of me so i am going to pass.
Also the reason i do not post on card topic help threads is because why would i? Do you think if i were in town taking a lesson from Jim Flick that i would then take over his students and start teaching them?
It is not my place to educate these guys on card topics nor start advising folks on what cards they own and never am i going to say to someone that they are lying and do not own cards.
I enjoy learning about the cards and also seeing them. I leave the identifying and other questions up to the folks that founded this board so enough said.
I am not sucking up to Bruce and i could care less if he and i have anything in common. What we do have in common is that the Wonka express bash team constantly questions our posts and throws little mental jabs all the time about cards we own and when we respond then the team cries to Leon ohhhhh noooooo please ban please ban.
I merely stated that Bruce does have a personality and is not afraid to voice his opinion which i respect....also Lichtman's next post is a classic and shoule be nominated for a Network 54 moonman.
The reason i keep rolling is because there were several e-mails that asked me to remain on the board. Card dealers and other folks stated that who cares what these guys are whining about because if i left then they are just going to find someone else to ride or bash.
In my league Wonka if you bring your C game then the field laps you and not only do you get buried but the fellows talk mad trash constantly until your game comes back. It is relentless and never ending. God forbid if you whine or complain because then the party really starts.
Also i will admit that the peppermint rims were clean, kinda of a Jay-Z flav
thing you got going on.
This message has been edited by shoelessjj on Mar 12, 2009 5:43 PM
Bretta....it's all good. Pretty hard to bring something useful to a thread that started out as a Mastro auction thread but then turned into a Dorskind does not have cards........or written books........or bought certain high end PSA graded cards...... bash thread.
I'm wondering that you have no problem busting my balls constantly yet you fear saying anything to Akatz or Boxingcardman. Are those guys like your neghbors oe something?
I think you should do something useful like moderate correctly so when you see a post go off topic then do something, don't wait untii i post something to get a swelled chest as if i started it.
Marshall, David A and Boxingcardman add content to the board. You do not. Those that do get some leeway in off topic posting. You on the other hand should add something useful instead of trying to direct everything back around to you. I know you want this board to revolve around you, but it's not going to. Just like you want to be the guy on stage offending people or the guy in the clubhouse offending people so too you want to be that guy on our forum. you're boring.
Sweetness...i understand the reason for your post in the want list in regards to Dorskind. But then i saw it again and now here it is on this thread. I also notice you say nothing for the entire thread and then once Boxingcardman body slams Bruce then hear you come flying off the top rope. I also notice Bretta says nothing while a thread started about Mastro spins out of control and turns into a Defend or Bash Dorskind thread......now when i post here he comes from out behind the corn stalks.
Vegas has it right now in the next hour here is the action on AS The Netwrok54 World Turns.......Levine will come online with a grandpa story........JimVb will join the band wagon because he loves to pile on........Leon will say nothing because his computer is jammed from ban requests and each one is smothered with candy and corn sauce...... so he gets frustrated and buys another 1 of a kind card that is so rare that when he recieves it in the mail it will be delivered via horseback.
This message has been edited by shoelessjj on Mar 12, 2009 6:09 PM
Marshall- just out of curiosity, you cited me in a post about an hour ago, something about bringing the cards to Brooklyn, and I can't even figure out if you complimented me or dissed me. If anyone can unravel it, please post the translation right on this thread. Thank you.
Barry......i just spit soda all over reading your last post......whew god was that funny. Bro i do love ya because you crack me up. I was being sarcastic because i saw like 75 plus responses to your Ebay consignment thread.
Ummmm....Al Bundy, i really was not going to post anymore and then i got a bunch of e-mails......now what is going to happen is that one of the Wonka Playa Haters is going to copy that and then whine.......oh yeah like he got a bunch of e-mails......
The e-mails were from card dealers to people that just enjoy the board. One guy who posts here regularly basically called me out and said if you leave then you are a quitter and they have won. He stated you see Marshall it is not about you because they have done this to other people that have come on this board and not caved into their Chocolate Flying Eclair Peppermint Rim Corn Stalk Granpa Story Barbara Bush blue haired click and it is a click of about 10 to 15 folks.
I talk to dealers everyday who just laugh in hysterics at the comedy routine on here. They do not post nor will they ever because they are just buying and selling cards.
I do actually get along with several folks on this board so really to me it is no big deal in regards to the "Sweetness Click" and no matter what is said i do not get offended.
In regards to Peter Spaeth.......you are right in regards to your statement about children........wait right now there is a 5 year old child who juust got his law degree from Georgetown and he is saying......hmmmmmmm.......i wonder if i can really buy a T-205 Ty Cobb PSA 7 on here or not without my girlfriend knowing. WOW look at this board.......uhhh ohhhh i better roll cause here comes dad......Dad with hand on side, now what are you doing? 5 year old child......nothing dad i swear i was just studying for tommorrow afternoons court case because i am due in court by 10.
Joann....-Gasp- campaigner for all women on the planet. Are you now cussing? Wow for someone that sits next to Jesus in the do nothing wrong category i was a little shocked at the Lord's name in vain reference.
You'd be surprised at the language I use. And as to your conclusion that I am some kind of holy roller, nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of people would die laughing to think someone would even suggest it.
I do try not to swear on the board, but this is really getting out of hand.
ETA: Oh HELLLLLL no. HAHAHAHAHAAAA. Al. What a great great post. Seriously. Haiku. Dang. Now that makes my day.
ETA: Al, you are actually writing haiku's faster than I can edit posts to laugh at them. Now that's talent.
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Oh Lordy Al. What the heck??? How do you come up with this stuff??
OK. Now we have Wonka for the Photoshop wizardry and Al blazing onto the scene as our haiku genius. Now we just need you two to collaborate on this and I'll end up dying from laughing and all the board lawyers will have to think up the legal liability theories for that one.
This is getting a little tiresome. The reason Marshall (hi Marshall) hasn't been banned is that he mostly just retaliates. But at this point I am getting close...
Marshall- could you just lay low for a while and try to add something positive to the forum, please? WE have talked and talked and I do get it...believe me I do. It's just that I don't want there to be a lot of angst and fighting every single time you start posting. It really is getting old quickly. Just talk about vintage baseball cards or find another place to hang out. ...best regards
ps...I could tell stories that would make your hair stand on end but this isn't the place to always do it....Folks don't care about who I hang out with or what I have done in my life, for the most part. They come here to talk about baseball cards...as this is a baseball card forum. I don't need a 12 paragraph diatribe either..I just need you to adhere to what the forum is about...or not post. thanks
I juust got home from work and read this.-Whine-
I'm sick and had a hard day.-Sappy-
Buford T Pusser is my hero and i do own a big stick.
I can actually floss and pull chest hair at the same time.
From time to time i do create vines to swing from tree to tree because i am king of the jugle...me Al C...you Joanne......
Christoff....there is a gun sale down at the store and also the tough guy shirt with the sleeves missing, don't forget to pick up Billie Jean King's latest mag "in order to love bush one must own a Bobby Riggs picture dart throwing set with a naked photo of her in the judge's chair"
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leon, I could say the same about you... but I would also mention that you are extremely loyal, and you are showing tremendous loyalty to your friends at Mastro. I don't think anything that happens with respect to Mastro is going to shake your faith in them, and that is absolutely your prerogative. At this point, there is enough information and obvious signs out there for anyone to make up their mind whether to continue to consign and/or bid with Mastro. Anyone who continues to do so certainly can't claim to have been caught by surprise. Good luck.
New (old?) auction house. They have purchased the assets of Mastro Auctions and will be carrying on the business
Leon....166 posts later we start talking about banning. Probably 75% of this thread had zero to do with baseball cards and somehow turned into a Dorskind bash or defend thread so i posted my thoughts.....and whoaaaaaa....gobstoppers everywhere. It's all good though. I understand the candy has finally melted all over you from the Wonka express bandwagon and Bretta corn oil express.
I'll not come back and talk to these such wonderful well rounded and thoughtful sophisticants, just charming oustanding citizens. They are juust so inspirational with all their wisdom and foresite. I'm sure right now the whole crew is calling Akatz so they can move to Skidmore and belittle and heckle college kids. Good luck folks and may all your hijacking thread dreams come true.
p.s. at least Finley is posting his thoughts now, CONGRATS!
BRING THE NOISE FIGHT THE POWER
You aligned yourself with Dorskind to provoke a fight. And then once in the fight you provoked, you articulated yourself really poorly. Nobody elected you to be the leader of people that disagree with some of the regulars on this Board. If you really got any emails from other current/former Net54'ers with similar complaints to yours, it is a shame that they emboldened you to think you were their chosen voice. There are better ways to make your opinions heard here than what you have chosen -- and worded more adequately might have brought some measure of sympathy or support.
In short, even if you had anything useful to add, you have burned any chance at ever being taken seriously.
Yeah i am gonna split Al....i like Leon and have always told him i respect his position on this board so it is best not to create such drama for him because he deals with enough whining about everything on this board. If he feels i am the root of the problem then i can live with that and move on. I'm not the laylow type i'll leave that to folks that go creep into the night.
I liked this thread, and thought it was raising some useful points and discussing some important issues - important to the hobby, and important to the personalities who frequent this board, of which I am still a relative newbie.
And having been the moderator of several message boards, I understand Leon's challenges and am not the type of guy to criticize a moderator. It's a bitch of a job, impossible to please everyone, tireless and thankless, and not without tons of second-guessers. Leon is a good guy, and it's hard enough to moderate a message board without having guys like me yammering over your shoulder.
All that said, Marshall came into this thread like a bull in a china shop, just like he does in every other thread. The guy wrecks every thread he enters. If I'm not mistaken - and I don't think I am - Marshall's very first posts on this board were in defense of a dirtbag who was harassing the moderator. His second round were a bunch of sour grapes about grades. Since then, they've largely been storytelling about his, umm, noise.
He's absolutely useless to the content of the board, but beyond that, he's incapable of participating in an on-topic discussion, incapable of writing in understandable English, and incapable of understanding the basic concept of message board etiquette - you sit on the sidelines for a while, get the feel of a board, slowly and respectfully get your feet wet, and realize who the knowledgeable board elders (of which I am not one) are.
I dare say that Peter Chao and Adam J. Morraine stayed on-topic. Virtually all the time. Some may not have liked their approaches or the way they articulated their points, but their posts pertained to baseball cards - not to how much reefer they smoked, or to their sexual conquests, or to the clubs they wrecked, or their record deals. Neither Peter nor Adam - nor anyone else who has ever posted on this board - were disrespectful to the board's female poster and readers. Neither of them have ever posted anything on this board - stuff that will stay on the internet forever, by the way - that would shame this entire community.
Neither of them ever wrote anything that would result in my not being able to let my children read this board to learn about baseball cards.
It's as simple as that.
I walked away from this board for a week or two after the last debacle with this guy. After a while, I decided: why punish myself because of a guy like him? I LIKE it here. When this board is operating properly, I can learn things from it - and hopefully contribute something to it as well.
But if Marshall is allowed to come storming into every thread with his noise, then I'm allowed to write haikus.
I truly don't care about site hits. As anything else that has ever gone on, on this board, there is some moderation. It will continue that way. I don't think it's an "either or" situation. Just as there were 5 locked threads recently in order to get back to cards so will it go in the future. I have asked Marshall to talk about cards (*and really everyone else too) as that is what this forum is about. A little off topic keeps it from being stale but the focus really should be maintained. We will get back there. best regards
"In fact, we don't buy low and mid-grade cards
but we closely track the performance of said cards
because I sold you some Plows in psa-5 holders in 2004.
In addition,you purchased a PSA-8 common E-94 from me claiming on this board some time back you sold for 2.5x my selling price to you yet three people on this board claim they saw it in your 145 sq. foot studio rental your "group" somehow survive the economy all snoring in each night!
Al, your post was well thought out and I agree with you 110%.
I post here once in a while, but read all day. I want to learn and get a broader knowledge base, I want to hear the older stores and the new ones too.
I honestly haven't had any interaction with Mastro, and have only seen tidbits on this board about them.
I think this change of name is very transparent and if I can see that then anyone can.
I also agree about Mr. Barkman, I am very tired of all his random posts that stray so far from the topic at hand. I am tired of the fights he picks and the crap he spits. It takes a lot for me to feel this way as I am a moderator on another collecting board but enough is enough.
Either tone it done A LOT or leave the people that want to learn and share knowledge alone!!
Back to cards it will be interesting to see what this new auction looks like especially when they are going to have one so soon.
Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.
Al, I truly admire your haiku skills and you are 111% correct. I was going to add to the thread with my own mad skills, but it's like a comedian trying to follow Seinfeld. How many days ago did the sun shine here when he announced his departure. Let's take a look.
March 8 2009, 11:46 AM
This will be my last post in regards to this precious Natzi boot camp.
Ah, that's the sign of a good debater. Go with a mention of the ideology of the National Socialist German Workers Party! That's harmless, thinks the pizza ordering student from Fast Times At Ridgemont High! And for future debates, it's spelled "N-a-z-i".
Every time he chimes in, it automatically becomes a 200+ thread and we learn nothing about anything. We did learn Al is a damn fine popular culture poet. The board's Kobayashi Issa.
I too take breaks when the Forum gets out of hand. A little sillyness is always good to lighten the mood, but when it becomes insulting, crude, rude and offending, it's no fun and brings out the worst in people who find ways to sink to the offenders level.