I am having a major problem with this eBay seller. I am curious if anyone has any information on him as this is my first, and will soon be my last, transaction with him.

My problems are as follows:

About 3 weeks ago now, I won a PSA graded card from this seller on eBay. Almost immediately, the seller was disappointed with the final sale price and tried to charge me approximately $13.00 shipping on the card (even though his auction stated shipping would be made by first class mail) because, as he says, he didn't get enough bidders on the card. While I found this to be utterly ridiculous, I offered to pay the seller $5.00 extra dollars above the first class shipping cost so he could make a little more on the card. The seller agrees this is fair and I immediately Paypal the funds to him. Below is the Paypal transaction ID information:

Transaction Details

Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #52027354EV519172Y)

Original Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
Mar. 14, 2009 Payment To Walt Thames Completed ... xxxx USD

Related Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
Mar. 14, 2009 Charge From Credit Card Completed Details
xxxx USD


Sent to: Walt Thames
Email: waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com


Amount sent: xxxx USD
Fee: $0.00 USD
Total: xxxx USD


Date: Mar. 14, 2009
Time: 21:39:37 PDT
Status: Completed


After 7 days, when I hadnt received the card, I contacted the seller to check on shipping status. The seller informed me he hadnt shipped the card because I never paid him. Thinking that he overlooked my payment, I pointed out to him the Paypal transaction ID number. I then contacted him 3 more times over 3 more days to make sure everything is squared away no response. Finally, on Sunday, he contacts me and says he cant find that ID number and I didnt pay him. I immediately opened a Paypal dispute, provided him with the dispute number and told him to check his Paypal account as he will clearly see the dispute information, gave him the transaction ID again, gave him a printout of my credit card bill showing the payment to him, and also gave him a Paypal number to call (the dispute desk at Paypal gave me a 1-800 number to pass along to the seller so that he can call Paypal and they will show him where his payment is).

Today I received a reply email from the seller stating that he has no proof I sent a payment and will not mail the card. Further, he has now changed his email address and his old email address, waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com, does not work as my emails are now getting bounced back.

Let this be a warning to all who may deal with this seller. Ive given him until Friday to either send the card or refund my money.

Jon - I would let eBay know.

My Trade/Sale Page

nonshipment of goods

He's obviously scum on many different levels

Almost sounds like a hijacked account. Strange.

That totally sucks. Keep us updated please. It's always good to know about scum so we can avoid it/them.....

The first thing that I thought of was that he might have changed his paypal email address without telling you/updating it in ebay (see story below). However, with the rest of the ridiculousness it seems that he's just out to scam you.

Reminds me of the time I sold something to a guy who moved but hadn't changed his address in ebay/paypal. Two days after I shipped it he sent an email saying "oh, by the way this needs to go to xxxx address in Fort Worth, not the Houston address." After UPS was unable to re-direct the package (keep in mind that this was Christmas time), he opened up a dispute and said that he was getting the run-around. Ha! Luckily, paypal sided with me. I'm sure that you will eventually get your money back, though the process can be a pain in the neck.

Sounds like a hijacked account, bogus email sent to you requesting payment be sent to a stranger, or the email you sent the money to was incorrect. A real seller would have to know that they have no chance of keeping the money with PayPal in this sort of situation. Perhaps the real seller isn't showing he received payment because he didn't get it. You should have no problem getting the money back from PayPal.

Hello, I am Walt Thames and I am here to defend myself. Here are the answers to each and every ridiculous complaint:

1. I set eBay to calculate shipping on this item because according to Auctiva (my picture hosting site) this was required by eBay so I had no control over what the shipping was. Even so the shipping price is clearly displayed for anyone before they place a bid so they will know how to adjust their bid. I made no changes to the shipping price because several probable bidders emailed me about the high shipping and that they would have bid if the item would have had a lower shipping price. When I researched this I saw that eBay had put the shipping at $11 and had put the item was shipping as priority mail. I was unsuccessful when I attempted to change the shipping price. I contacted eBay and they stated that the amount was within their normal limits and they could not change it on their end. I felt that shipping was clearly displayed and that I lost potential bids that everything would work out in the end. Even so when the buyer contacted me I reluctantly stated that I would adjust the shipping down to my normal rate. Again this had nothing to do with the fact that I thought I was getting ripped off.
2. I have only heard a few things from Mr. Jon Canfield and pretty much each time I responded to him. I recently changed my email address on eBay (newsflash--we are allowed to do this) not to avoid Mr. Canfield but to avoid unnecessary Junk mail. If Mr. Canfield would have contacted me through eBay he would have been able to get through to me whether my email address was updated or not.
3. I have no paypal claim dispute against me and I have no payment from Mr. Jon Canfield. I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about. I just checked my PayPal account again to confirm that no payment has been received and that no claim has been sent to me. Mr. Jon Canfield has obviously sent the payment to the wrong person. I have contacted PayPal and they will not give me any info on the transaction ID Mr. Canfield gave me.
4. I was trying my best to wait for Mr. Canfield to figure out on his end what was going on but since he has decided to slander me and my company I have no use but to file a no payment received from him.

Sorry for the longevity.

jon canfield- i had this happen once, it was the wrong paypal address, the money i sent did go to somebody, but the wrong guy, i reversed payment and got it straight. all was o.k........go back and check your dotted i's and crossed t's to make sure.

Thanks guys for all of your input. I see this seller also got a negative today from a different purchaser (not me). The negative reads:

"Seller sent invoice for item then told me days later item sold locally. NOT!!!! Buyer: misterman76"

As all of you who have dealt with me know, I'm an honest buyer. I spoke with eBay again today via phone. The eBay rep I spoke with tried to contact this seller via phone but to no avail. eBay has is also sending this seller an email and has informed me they will try calling him again in the morning in case Walt really doesn't know he has been paid weeks ago.

Also, for what it's worth, I've email Walt 9 times now and have copies of all the messages.


Edited to add: Walt claims I did not open a paypal dispute. Here is the confirmation details from the dispute Walt "never" got:

Dear Jonathan Canfield,

You have opened a dispute for the payment you made to Walt Thames on Mar
14, 2009 (Transaction 52027354EV519172Y) indicating that you did not
receive the item you purchased.


----------------------------------------------------------------
Transaction details
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Seller's name: Walt Thames
Seller's email: waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com
Seller's transaction ID: 5H9289637D610022R

Transaction date: Mar 14, 2009
Transaction amount: -$28.00 USD
Your transaction ID: 52027354EV519172Y
Case number: PP-668-456-219
Response deadline: Apr 18, 2009

By opening a dispute in the Resolution Center, you will be working directly
with the seller to resolve this issue. We will email you when the seller
posts a response. Most of the time, disputes can be resolved quickly and
amicably in the Resolution Center. You'll be able to review the dispute
details, communicate with the seller, or ask PayPal to decide the outcome
of the case by filing a claim.


Lastly, contrary to Walt's statement. I have not slandered him. Slander is an untruthful oral statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. As an attorney, I'm confident of this .

If payment was sent to waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com this is the wrong account. This email address has never been a payment address on my account. My payment email address is walterthames@hotmail.com. This may be the root of the situation. Next time please use eBay to complete the transaction. Please everyone, remember this in all of your future transactions. I appreciate everyone who read my response. I just wanted to get everything straight. I will send the card as soon as payment is received. Thanks!

I know Jon (hi Jon) very well and obviously vouch for him 100%. I think this is just an honest mistake. Since both emails are on this board I hope ya'll can work it out. regards

I,too, will vouch for Jon 100%.
I've know him to be top notch in countless ways---as vintage card/vintage packs expert, a most reputable buyer and seller whom I've had many fine dealings with, top drawer attorney, and great friend.

all the best,
Barry

Hi Leon!

Hopefully this is just a big misunderstanding. In my defense, waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com was the defaulted paypal address in the "pay now" notification I received from the seller. If that was incorrect, then his default settings are wrong.

Needless to say, eBay is taking care of contacting Walt now. If payment is sitting in a wrong account, then I guess they can move it. However, it seems clear from the paypal dispute I filed that the account I sent money to does belong to Walt. It is an account registered to his name (as evident by the fact the owner is listed as Walt Thames) and it has his unique paypal generated seller ID attached to it. Maybe he has an account with $1000's of dollars sitting in it he doesn't even know about!

At any rate, if this transaction does follow through, I will gladly report the success and the eventual resolution to the board. However, I think I have every right to remain skeptical as of right now.

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Jon- ok, now I get it. He owns the account you sent money to though it might be a different one? Strange. Then I would say something weird is going on too...At the very least you certainly have the right to be skeptical.

I also vouch for Jon. Very honest and helpful here.

Wow what a bruhaha.

My first thought was Walt did not want to go through
with the sale and decided to play "I never got the money" hoping Mr. Canfield would just go away.

Mr.Canfield states that he and Walt negotiated an extra
5.00 for the transaction, Walt claims that never happened.

I have to side with Mr. Canfield here.


Hope you two get this squared away.

Steve

Dear All - thanks again for the support. However, I do want to update the board on this situation one more time.

It appears as though Walt does not intend to complete this transaction despite his claims on this board that he would do so. As I mentioned yesterday, eBay has also been trying to contact Walt to show him that he was, indeed, paid. If this was truly a "mix-up" case and money was sent to an old or incorrect Paypal account (even though I again point out that the Paypal account I sent money to was Walt's defaulted account), then I imagine Walt would have responded to eBay's calls and emails. However, I have been informed today by eBay that Walt has not responded to them, either. Here is the next of an email I just received from eBay support:

From: "eBay Customer Support"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: eBay Item# 150331046620 - 1933 DELONG RABBIT MARANVILLE PSA GRADED!!!! (KMM121904896V89446L0KM)


> Dear Jon,
>
> Thank you for contacting me yesterday with regard to your missing
> baseball card.
>
> Regretfully, I have not been able to contact your seller, nor have I
> received a response from this individual. As your seller is not
> responsive, our last option is to provide a refund for this item. I've
> taken the liberty to initiate this process which takes 3-5 day to
> complete. eBay is guaranteeing this item, so the refund will be
> transparent to your seller and should not influence this person's
> performance.
>
> I've documented the PayPal transaction ID for this item, in the event
> that a strike is levied against your account, please appeal the strike
> and site this ID: 52027354EV519172Y. You'll see the option to appeal a
> strike within the Resolution Center once the petition is closed by
> clicking the 'See Case Details' link in the right margin.
>
> I'm sorry a better resolution to this problem is not readily available.
> If you have any further inquiries, you're welcome to reply to this email
> so I may address your concerns.
>
> Sincerely,
> Theodore M.
>
> eBay Customer Support
> _____________________________________________
>

So, there you have it. Looks like Paypal protection does work! And, regretably, it seems that Walt does not intend to follow through. I hope that I am proved wrong here and I will be able to come back to the board and explain that Walt and I were able to complete the transaction and this was all one big mix-up. However, that seems unlikely right now, especially in light of Walt's other recent negative feedback and his not responding to eBay. Please let this be a warning to any who may be deal with Walt. I certainly would be cautious.

And finally, to Walt - if you are reading this and you are also unaware eBay is trying to contact you (even though they've emailed you and called you multiple times to no avail), the email address you can respond to is above. Also, as stated above, if this is truly a mix-up, I will be hapy to come back on this board and describe our resolution to this transaction.

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Walt-

I certainly hope tarnishing your reputation over $28 was well worth it. There are hundreds that read this forum, and you can mark my name down as one of them putting you on my blocked list.

Anyone else think its interesting that there were two email addresses for the paypal and eBay transaction, AND there is a third that is linked to his account on the Net54 boards? Seems weird to me.

I guess my first impression was correct.

He was hoping you would file to get your money back and just move on.

I guess it did not sell for what he expected. Maybe next time he should

use a reserve or a higher starting bid.

Sorry you had to deal with this Jon.


Steve

"If Mr. Canfield would have contacted me through eBay he would have been able to get through to me whether my email address was updated or not."

Apparently his email update works so well that even Ebay can't get a response. So much for defending your "good name".

Sorry to hear about your problems Jon.

On my blocked list for sure.

I have never dealt with Walt but I was just contacted by one of my collecting friends and we both will never do business with him just because we don,t want to get burned. CN

Well, as I said - if everything works out, I will certainly let the board know and be the first to point out that Walt came through and all is well. However, I've done everything I can to get this straightened out. EBay, instead of me, has begun contacting him to show him where his money is, or move it if he wants it in a different account. At this point, there is nothing else I can do.

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" I made no changes to the shipping price because several probable bidders emailed me about the high shipping and that they would have bid if the item would have had a lower shipping price".




lol

Bull


Does that statement make any sense? He did not change the high shipping
price because he did not want probable bidders bidding? lol


Steve

Steve, et al. - the shipping thing is a bit of a mystery to me. His auction stated in all caps "SHIPPING IS VIA US POSTAL SERVICE FIRST CLASS MAIL" - anyone is welcome to verify this... here is the link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=150331046620. However, when I went to pay for the item after winning, the invoice said shipping would be $13.00 (actually, I believe it was $13.10 or $13.40, I cant recall exactly now).

I immediately contacted the seller and asked about this, showing him his auction stated shipping is by first class mail (which, from his location to mine, was less than $2.00). Now, I totally understand that people will charge some extra for packaging materials, gas to mail items, time etc - but when shipping goes from first class mail at <$2.00, to showing up in my invoice at $13.00+ - something was wrong. <br>
In Walts defense, he did email me back soon after I sent him the first email and told me, and I quote "I have to leave the shipping as is due to the lost bids I would have received if ebay would have calculated the shipping correctly." The thing is, this shipping charge didnt show up for me until after I went through the Auctiva website. Regardless, we reached an amicable settlement and I ended up splitting the difference with him more or less, offering an additional $5.00 over first class shipping and immediately paypaled the funds to him. Anyway, that was 3+ weeks ago now.

The shipping issue aside, it should be clear to Walt that he did, in fact, receive funds in his registered account. To whether he changed paypal accounts, or has a new one, or whatever I dont know. Funds were sent to the account linked to his auction. I simply modified the shipping charge before sending funds. I cannot understand for the life of me how I can see the funds were sent, I provided him with tracking numbers to his funds, had eBay and Paypal try and contact him to show him where his funds are (if he cant find them) and offer to move the funds to the account of his choosing, and he cant see funds were sent or answer repeated emails and calls from eBay customer service.

Regardless of Walt stated above, the only explanation that I see is left is that he does not intend to follow through with the transaction, whether it be from disappointment in the final auction price, or whatever. As I said before, most everyone on this board knows me. If Walt does right, I will be the first to let everyone know.


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All this over a $20 card? Geez.

If you look at his most recent feedback he may have been disappointed in the amount a signed Wagner Christmas card brought. Something sure doesn't add up here, I hope it turns out for you.

To continue here is the original invoice sent to Mr. Canfield:

1933 DELONG RABBIT MARANVILLE PSA GRADED!!!!
150331046620 - Price: US $21.50
Quantity:1

Print shipping label

US Postal Service Priority Mail: US $9.90
Estimated delivery: Varies*
USPS delivers within 2 - 3 days after seller ships the item.

US $21.50

Subtotal:
US $21.50
Shipping & handling:
US $9.90
Shipping insurance:
US $1.70
Total:
US $33.10

As you can see even if Mr. Canfield were to have included insurance the price for shipping a card via Priority Mail was $9.90 + $1.70=$11.60 not $13.00+ as Mr. Canfield has stated. I stated I would ship it for $6.50 for a total of $28.00. I do not know why the shipping did not show up for Mr. Canfield as several people contacted me before the auction close to question the shipping price that was listed.

Its seems funny Walt that you continue to come back to Net54 and try and defend yourself. If what you say is true than pony up the 28 dollar card to Jon and be done with it. If you didnt get what you wanted for the card than you should of had a reserve on it, or started it at a higher price. Chalk it up to a bad experience and that you learned a lesson and move on! Thats the world of auctions sometimes you win sometimes you lose.But Walt at least be a man about it!! But to keep coming back and trying to B.S. just makes it look worse for you.

I am not here to make excuses, however, I did notice that Mr. Canfield has been sending emails directly to my email address as opposed to through eBay. I have not checked my email in several days and realize that is my fault and I apologize. In all honesty I go to school 9-10 hours per day and study approximately 2-4 hours per day and have not had time to check. I think this would have been cleared up long ago if I would have checked this. I just wanted to say that according to the paypal account I actually use I had not received payment and even over a $20 card I am not going to send the card without payment and I bet none of you would have either. That does not make me a bad person. I use ebay for all messages and in the past this has worked brilliantly. So I assumed that Mr. Canfield was using ebay for all messages.

With that said Mr. Canfield I feel you unjustly and immaturely defamed my character and request that you refrain from derogatory statements posted on a blog in the future. Because I was responding to pretty much every message you sent through eBay. Thanks.

Mr. Canfield in case you do not contact me tomorrow via phone we can make amends by either transferring the money to my walterthames@hotmail.com paypal account or by taking the hold off of the funds on my waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com account.

In response to the Wagner this signed collectible was sold locally prior to the end of the sale. My partner told our listing assistant (who has been fired) to cancel the listing but she chose not to and even sent an invoice to the buyer. Since the item was already sold I could do nothing but give the buyer good feedback, eat the cost to sell the item, give the buyer a 10% off voucher, and look for a similar item I could sell at a similar price to the buyer. He was happy with this but still left negative feedback.

Everyone of you sitting here bad mouthing me needs to get a life. Do you have nothing better to do? Honestly? That is sad. I am not a blogger so I am done with this lead.

So bad mouth as you wish I don't care anymore.

Walt - as I've said before. If this truly works out to be a big misunderstanding, then I will be the first to post on this board that everything is in order. However, my calling you will do nothing to resolve this situation. You requested I contact eBay. I did. They are trying to work with you to resolve the matter. They called you, they emailed you (I was cc'ed on eBay's emails) and you didn't respond to them. I don't have the power to direct your funds wherever you like. The funds were sent to a paypal account registered to your name and defaulted in your payment system. If your account, or email address or whatever changed, then eBay can redirect your funds for you.

Walt, you need to please contact Theodore M at eBay customer support. He is the claims rep handling your case (which, I might point out, is the case YOU opened against me when you tried to report me as an unpaying bidder yesterday and have a strike levied against me). I was cc'ed on the email he sent to you but, if for some reason, you need the email address again, it is cswebhelp@ebay.com. As of right now, you still have a charge against my credit card.

Lastly - let's be clear about something. I did not, in any way, defame you. To defame someone, I must damage that person's reputation, character, or good name by slander or libel. In short, slander or libel is a spoken untruth. Everything I have stated on this board has been truthful and I've copied and pasted supporting evidence.

If you happen to join this Net54 community and stick around, you will notice that one of the best services this board provides is outing sellers who are dishonest, untrustworthy or the like. It is a public service most members provide for each other. In our present case, I sent you money over 3 weeks ago. I provided you with paypal transaction ID's, dispute numbers, contacted eBay, had eBay call you, had eBay email you, provided you with copies of my credit card receipts, etc etc etc. Yet, here we are still, 3+ weeks into this transaction and you are now giving me the option to call you.

I will be clear... I am not going to be calling you tomorrow. You may be a great guy to speak to, but my calling you will not resolve our situation. If you simply respond to eBay, either by email or return their call, this situation will be cleared up.

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Jon-

Just make sure you don't do what Walt has asked...don't drop the hold on his money in paypal...once you do that, it's over and he doesn't ever have to send the card and you can't make a second claim on this transaction again. Walt needs to send the card since the money is obviously in his account and just being held.

Walt-

Amazing you now say this may have been cleared up had you checked your email. Are you kidding?

OK, Walt - during the past 2 1/2 years you have only sold 22 items on ebay. You had a listing assistant and you now have a partner, but the three of you can't keep track of 22 items?

As far as this dispute being over a $20 item. If you can't trust someone with 20 bucks can you trust them with a $4k signed baseball?

Rick

A student not checking their email is like the Pope not praying.

The details about which shipping amount and which email address and which PayPal account don't really matter here. All I really need to know is that this was a transaction between Jon Canfield and someone else. That's enough info for me. Case closed.

Jon has a spotless reputation and is highly regarded in the hobby and on this board. You aren't going to get anywhere here Walt, just alienate a lot of potential bidders. Send him his card and work out all of the transactional details and money transfers while it's in transit.

J

He was happy with this but still left negative feedback.




lol


Steve

Do I have a reading comprehension problem or did Walt admit, in his last post, that he sold an item locally (off eBay) that already had bids on it on eBay? If so, doesn't that ALSO raise red flags to people and shouldn't eBay know about this?

Just wondering,

David

Edited to add:

Maybe THIS is WHY Mr. Canfield can NOT get his card; it is because Walt has already sold it to somebody else and can NOT deliver it to Mr. Canfield.

Seriously, if this guy is so worried about his reputation, he should really stop lying and get his stuff straight when listing an auction.

1)In the description, he says first class mail but at the bottom he has it pegged for priority mail at something like $11, for one card.

2)He says he can't check email because he's either at school or studying for about a total of approximately 15 hours a day. Yet he wants Jon to message him through ebay? What's the difference? He can't get to a computer anyway right?

3)Again, all this time for school, can't check email, yet he has a partner and some other person to list the cards? Really, does that sound logical to anyone?

4)You blew your reputation when you admitted that you sold the card off of ebay while it was still listed. And quite frankly, it's not the "assistant's" fault for not removing it, you're ultimately responsible for that listing.

Sorry, I know I don't post much and am a professional lurker but this guy is just amazing and a solid reason why ebay now does what it does pertaining to seller.

*Edited to fix an error about type of shipping he describes.

Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

I usually like to give people the benefit of the doubt -- it seems that this could've been chalked up as a simple mistake on the seller's part for having the incorrect default paypal address in his invoice. I also understand the shipping thing - he lost bids because shipping was so high. Had shipping been the correct $2 or $3, then the auction probably would've gone to $30 or so. However, the aftermath of this mess leaves me with a few thoughts.

1) Walt, if you are the owner of the account that the money was sent to, then why does it matter if it is in that account or the one you expected it in? You are in possession of it either way.
2) I go to a relatively well-respected school and don't know anyone who has class for 9-10 hours per day. I have class for two hours on Tues and Weds and four hours Mon, Weds, Fri.
3) If you are so busy then how could a phone call possibly be more convenient than an email? You also apparently failed to respond to ebay's calls and emails (according to what I've read).
4) I don't understand how your business can support an assistant and a partner. You've sold $1k worth of baseball cards since January. Unless you have a storefront (which would be unlikely for a student) or another ebay username, that doesn't really make sense. Unless the listing assistant is your little sister and your business partner is your mom.
5) What is the guy who bought the Wagner autograph supposed to use his 10% off voucher on?
6) Why wouldn't you check your email after once this whole thing began to transpire?

My appologies for keeping this thread bumped to the top of the board. However, I promised that I would update the situation if something changed. This evening, Walt gave me a refund for the paypal payment I sent him. He also followed up with an email indicating he spoke with eBay as I requestd on this board. Lastly, he offered to follow through with the transaction but requested I send the funds to his other account referenced above. I agreed and funds have been sent to Walt's account of choice.

I do believe Walt will make good on this transaction and now he obviously does know I paid him weeks ago and I was not lying about doing so.

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GET OFF MY LAWN

on all this. According to Walt "If payment was sent to waltsvintagecards@hotmail.com this is the wrong account. This email address has never been a payment address on my account." Why the need to return the funds to you from an account that he says was never a payment account just to have you resend the money to "his good account"? Why didn't he just keep the funds himself and MAIL you the card?

I'm not sure that I would trust sending money to a person that needs an assistant to sell 22 items in a three year period, who doesn't check their email for days on end and then wants to try and claim that they were the one in the right. To me, his credibiliy is shot to ....

How do you know that he won't pull the same thing again? That he won't check his email until Memorial Day weekend, then blame his "assistant".

It just boggles my mind that Walt created this over a $20.00 card. Hope it all ends well for you.

Jon-

I did miss what item this even is...but the last thing I would have done is removed that paypal dispute and paid Walt again in a different account. This guys is obviously a screwball, not an honest seller, etc.

Unfortunately I'd have never done the same thing. Once you removed that paypal dispute that transaction is all over and considered complete by paypal at this point...yet you still don't have the item.

I would have personally just kept my paypal dispute open and waited for paypal to reverse the charge. I'd have wanted to just walk away from this idiot...unless the $28 item you were trying to buy is really worth $800....I hate to seem harsh, but it seems like this last move you've made your just making your own bed here again with this guy. I hope it works out...but I just don't know.

Dave

Walt refunded Jon, I did not see where Jon ended the dispute.

I think it ends automatically when Walt responds and refunds.

Jon sending the money again is another story.

Good Luck.


Steve

"In all honesty I go to school 9-10 hours per day and study approximately 2-4 hours per day and have not had time to check".

That makes everything just peachy.

How responsible.

Sum = Doofus.

Jon

Any news to report? Hopefully by now you have the card?

Steve

Steve et al. Yes, I did receive the card today. I was waiting to post on the new board since I knew this one was being locked but everything ended well.

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glad to hear it worked out, old friend.

best,

barry