I found this auction this morning and did a bunch of research on the true "3" caramel cards in the lot.
There are 2 D311s, 2 T206s, 1 T205 and 3 "caramels". Kleinow is the sleeper of the group. According to my outdated card catalog, he doesn't appear in any of the American Caramel sets thats also have Cobb AND Zimmerman. It led me to believe these cards could have been T216, E98, Crofts, Mello, and a variety of others that I'm sure I was way off on. So who knows what it could be, assuming all three "caramels" are from the same set.
I live here in Boise where these cards are located and almost asked to go see the cards in person but I knew ultimately it did not matter what I saw, I would be outbid so I did not waste the sellers time.
I think the Cobby and Zimmerman might be E101's due to the very large bottom borders. Too big of a gamble for me right now, not knowing what they are pasted on with. I hope someone will come forth and let us know how it turns out. regards
Dan and Matt,
I thought the same thing. What an odd mix of cards for a kid to paste into a scrapbook in 1912. And the black construction paper too...most of the scrapbooks from that era that I've seen have white or cream colored paper. I was very concerned that the "book" was put together in the 50s or 60s, and the glue wouldn't be water soluble. Best of luck to whoever won it.
It would be fascinating to see it up close and in person. Were all assuming the buyer is looking to free these cards from their keepsake, which is a risky proposition at best.. fingers crossed it all turns out OK!
This message has been edited by martyogelvie on Apr 3, 2009 8:53 PM
Yes Ed, just a strange assortment of cards. I have seen scrapbooks from that era with black construction paper, but where is the rest of the book? Plus the papar looks in great shape. I was more worried that a person had 8 cards that looked like the one below and decided to increase their value.
The other thing that lends to the theory that these were put in the book later is that the same seller also sold some 1920 Rose Bowl team Postcards of the Harvard and Oregon teams glued to the same black scrapbook paper. These were obviously not done until after 1920 so the baseball cards were glued after that date it would seem and probably even later. She did mention in the first auction (linked above) however that one of the cards had sort of popped off and you could see dried up glue on the corners. Hopefully that did not mean dried up rubber cement. Either way, the Stain Guy could probably fix them up.
I dont think anyone is doubting the authenticity of the cards or the paper used to adhere them etc. However, there can be a big difference between glue in 1910 and glue in the 1940's and that might make a huge difference when trying to free these cards.
There's not doubt whatsoever about the authenticity of the cards. I think most of us are a bit suspicious about the presence of P.C.L. cards mixed in with tobaccos and caramels that were issued in the eastern half of the country. Not to mention baking, tobacco, and caramel related issues all in one collection and on the same page. It just has the feel of a collection that was assembled well after the cards were issued. That, of course, wouldn't matter if it weren't for the issue of the glue.
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