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Jim VB
(Login jvb6034)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 16 2009, 8:49 PM 

Dave,

That's a pretty broad question. I don't think either company makes that info searchable in their database.

 
 

Jim VB
(Login jvb6034)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 16 2009, 8:50 PM 

Ted,

I have two, both Sweet Cap 350 Factory 30.

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BRUCE BABCOCK.....Red Cobb population

April 16 2009, 8:58 PM 

I don't know how we can establish a grand total population of how many Red Cobb cards exist.
Grading Co. POP reports are at best misleading (due to constant churning of re-grading). And,
there are still many old dinosaurs like me who have ungraded Cobb's (currently, I have 4 such
Red Cobb's).

Then there are (by my count) 30 different Red Cobb's....24 T206's, Ty Cobb back, 1910 Coupon,
T213-2, T213-3, T214 and T215....which complicates any true count of this Subject.

Here is what we do know......in two independent T206 surveys totalling over 40,000 cards, the
Red Cobb out-numbers all other T206 Subjects (except the 5 other Super-Prints) by a factor of
approx. 2 to 1. The closest Subjects were guys like Johnson (portrait) and Joss (pitching). From
these surveys, Johnson's sample was 110 cards and Joss' sample was 124 cards....while the Red
Cobb's sample was 196.


TED Z






 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BRIAN E

April 16 2009, 9:34 PM 

You noted......
"I noticed your list is seeking to track the Red Hindus but I don't see an entry for a regular Hindu...."

Are you alluding to the Brown HINDU back ?

I don't think you are, because the Brown HINDU back exists only in the 150/350 Series of T206's.
The Red Cobb was printed in the 350/460 Series; and therefore, can never be found with a Brown
Hindu back.


TED Z




 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Red Cobb survey

April 16 2009, 9:40 PM 

Thanks JEFF L, BRUCE M, BRIAN W, JIM VB and a Net54 reader for your inputs.


[linked image]


UPDATED survey....4/16/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..0....DRUM
..1....HINDU (red)
..3....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..3....SOVEREIGN 460
11....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..5....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

..7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..4....SOVEREIGN 350
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..6....TOLSTOI
11....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
14....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
16....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
11....POLAR BEAR


We have a total of 127 inputs....but, we need at least 200 inputs in order to arrive at some
meaningful conclusions.


Guys and gals, don't be shy....show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards.





TED Z


 
 

Richard
(Login rman444)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 16 2009, 11:05 PM 


 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

RICHARD......thanks for posting the DRUM red Cobb

April 17 2009, 8:48 AM 

I was aware of this Cobb when the Hunt find was reported.

But, I didn't input it, hoping that some one here would provide a scan.


Thanks again,

TED Z




 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Red Cobb

April 20 2009, 9:34 AM 

Thanks to Richard and 4 emails responses from Net54 readers, we have 6 more inputs.


TED Z


 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Red COBB survey......UPDATED

April 20 2009, 9:37 AM 

[linked image]


UPDATED survey....4/20/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..1....DRUM
..1....HINDU (red)
..3....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..3....SOVEREIGN 460
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..5....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

..7....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..4....SOVEREIGN 350
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..6....TOLSTOI
11....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
14....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
20....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
11....POLAR BEAR


We have a total of 133 inputs.....it doesn't look like we'll attain the 200 figure that I hoped for.
Anyhow, we are 2/3 rds of the way there, and that will do for now.


If there are anymore Cobb collectors out there, please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards.

And, the only T206 back that has not been reported is the UZIT....does any one have one ?


TED Z




 
 
Glyn Parson
(Login glynparson)

Easy one

April 20 2009, 1:18 PM 

I have a Piedmont 460 Factory 25.

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Red Cobb survey

April 21 2009, 1:30 PM 

GLYN....thanks for your PIEDMONT 460/25 input.

Also, I received a Net54 reader's email input with a TOLSTOI back.


[linked image]


Here's my UZIT red Cobb.....it's too bad that it's my gimmicked-up fake. Otherwise, if real, it would
be a really unique error that would command big $$$$$$.
Actually, I'm surprised that such printing mistakes haven't been found, since American Lithographic
was printing these Red Cobb's and the T80 Military men cards, simultaneously, in early 1911.

In any event, still looking for a Red Cobb with a UZIT back to confirm its 24 different T206 backs.

Or, any other Red Cobb's will do ?


TED Z


 
 

Todd
(Login deadballera)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 21 2009, 1:42 PM 

I have one red Cobb.

It has an Old Mill back.

 
 

Bruce Babcock
(Login uffda51)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 21 2009, 2:45 PM 

Hi, Ted. I agree completely with you about resubmissions and ungraded cards owned by old farts like me. I was surprised, though, by how many have been graded, even accounting for resubmissions.

 
 
gil lindgren
(Login mrbud60)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 21 2009, 8:35 PM 

ted,you can add a sweet caporal 350 factory #30 to the list.

 
 
Jeff D.
(Login JeffD27177)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 22 2009, 12:12 AM 

You can add another Piedmont 460 factory 25 to the list.

 
 
brian p
(Login brianp-beme)

Another Cobb of Corn

April 22 2009, 9:19 AM 

One more Piedmont 350 factory 25 can be added to the list.

Brian

 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

BRUCE BABCOCK

April 22 2009, 10:43 AM 

Thanks for bringing up this subject again. I have given this some thought and I think we can extrapolate and arrive at
an educated guess to answer your original question. Let's do a little math here......

Let's assume that this random survey of 40,000 T206 cards is valid. It yielded 196 red Cobb's......and, an over all ave-
rage (OAA) of 78 each of the other 509 T206's.

40,000/509 T206 Subjects = OAA of 78 T206's.....509 = 524 - (the Big 6, 6-Super Prints, Dahlen, Elberfeld, Lundgren)

40,000/196 = a red Cobb per every 200 cards


Red Cobb/OAA = 2.5 red Cobb's per any other 509 Subjects

Simply stated, the Red Cobb lies somewhere between a Double Print and a Triple Print.


Furthermore, Scot Reader, in his book "Inside T206", has a chapter on the "survivability" of the T206 cards. If I recall
correctly, he estimates approx. 1 to 2 Million cards. I think Scot's estimate is a good one.

So, if we divide 1 Million T206's by 200, it yields 5,000 red Cobb's. This number might sound high; and, I'm sure I'll be
challenged on this population #.....but, that's my best guess.


Best regards,

TED Z




 
 
Ted Zanidakis
(Login tedzan)

Red Cobb survey

April 22 2009, 2:12 PM 

Thanks....TODD....GIL....JEFF....BRIAN....for your Red Cobb inputs.

I'm going to visit an old hobby friend tonite who has a huge T206 collection (all ungraded), which includes 8 red Cobb's.

So, I will be upgrading this survey late tonite or tomorrow with at least 14 new inputs.



TED Z



    
This message has been edited by tedzan on Apr 22, 2009 2:14 PM


 
 
Mike Mattison
(Login moxdiamond)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 22 2009, 2:15 PM 

Polar Bear for me.

 
 

Todd
(Login deadballera)

Re: Red Cobb survey of all its backs....need your inputs ?

April 22 2009, 2:25 PM 

Ted,

Your survey is very interesting.

It would be nice to know how many of the cards sampled have been graded.

Most of my card collection is ungraded.


Wonka - Love that yellow and purple Cobb !

Keep up the good work !

 
 
 
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