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September 17 2001 at 4:22 PM
Arthur Gibson  (Login Arthurgibson)

 
I thought that I should return, prior to the end of the World. But I can't promise to lead you all to Paradise.

One rescue worker who reached the lowest level of the subterranean WTC today was asked if they found any bodies. He replied "We can't even find concrete, its just dust."

You have got to hand it to the Yanks, they do have a sense of humour.


 
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Arthur Gibson
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Woops!

September 17 2001, 4:26 PM 

That reply should have been to Mad Pict under "Warfare in the New Age."

Maybe Mr M. will move it for me?

 
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Welcome back AG!

September 17 2001, 6:41 PM 

Nice too hear from you.

I've been reading some pretty scary stuff too. Try typing Bin Laden+nuclear+bomb+suitcase into Google.

 
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Arthur Gibson
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September 17 2001, 9:22 PM 

I tried it and it blew the fuse on my monitor. Did that happen to you also?

 
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September 17 2001, 9:55 PM 

I replaced the fuse and got this:

International Terrorism:
Osama bin Laden and Weapons of Mass Destruction

Dr.Subhash Kapila

The United States and Western Countries have been haunted ever since the disintegration of the Soviet Union with the prospect of WMDs falling into the hands of terrorist groups. Their fears have turned out true with information now available that the Islamic Jehadi groups led by Osama bin Laden have indeed acquired WMDs.WMDs in the hands of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists fortified with the spirit of martyrdom and imbued with the frenzy of expelling the United States from the Islamic world or Islamisation of countries with sizeable Muslim population, indeed become frightening weapons of terror.

Indications of possession of WMDs by Osama bin Laden are amplified below.

Chemical and Biological Weapons
Islamist terrorists, both Afghan and Arab Afghans under the guidance of Osama bin Laden and supervision of Pakistan’s ISI have established well fortified facilities in Kandahar in Afghanistan for production of chemical, bacteriological and radiological weapon (perhaps) too. This set-up was established in May 1998 with the acquisition of plant and machinery from Yugoslavia. This plant arrived via Pakistan with assistance of ISI.
The first WMD base at Kandahar commenced training of terrorist operatives for biological and chemical weapons from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Egypt and the Gulf states there after.
The second WMD base is reported to have been established at Zenica in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Terrorist operative training here is being imparted to first generation European Muslims convertees and second generation emigres from the Muslim world.
Sources from which chemical and biological weapons materials/samples have been obtained or purchased for relatively small amounts of money are as follows:

Russia Viruses causing deadly diseases such as Ebola and Salmonella.
Czech Republic Samples of botulism bio-toxin
North Korea Samples of deadly anthrax.
Unknown Source Sarin
The production facilities are being supervised by a group of Ukrainian experts (chemists and biologists).
Nuclear Suitcase Bombs and Tactical Nudear Weapons
Osama bin Laden’s quest for nuclear weapons commenced in 1996 and he is reported to have spent millions of dollars on this project. The focus has been an acquisition of nuclear suitcase bombs. Arab intelligence sources indicate acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons also.
Corroborative evidence has reached United States from Russian, Arab countries and from confessions by captured Islamic terrorists worldwide. The estimates of Osama bin Laden acquisitions are as follows.

Russian estimates – ‘ Few nuclear suitcase bombs.
Arab intelligence sources – More than 20 nuclear suitcase bombs .
The nuclear suitcase bombs have been acquired from Central Asian Republics (CAR) Islamic countries with the active assisstance of Chechen Muslim rebels. Laden’s agents are reported to have paid $ 30 million cash and two tons of Afghan heroin worth $ 700 million in Western markets, to Chechen mafia for this purpose.
The suitcase nuclear bombs are reported to be stored at two locations in Afghanistan :
Khowst. In deep tunnels.
Kandahar. In deep caves
This nuclear program is being run by a Western educated Arab nuclear scientist, (turned Islamic Jehadi) and assisted by five Turkoman Muslim. Others too have been brought from CAR countries.
The nuclear suitcase bombs could only be operated by SPETZNAZ (Russian Special Forces) personnel. Some Ukrainian and Baltic region SPETZNAZ troopers are reported to have been recruited, not for operating the bombs but as escorts / protection for these bombs and the technicians.
However the operational use of suitcase nuclear bombs will be entrusted only to Islamic Jehadis. To overcome the technical problems of coded transmissions for activation of these nuclear suitcase bombs (Russian technique,) it is reported that Laden’s nuclear experts could “hot-wire” them and these can be used by human-bomb volunteers from amongst the Islamic Jehadis seeking martyrdom.
That nuclear suitcase bombs could have reached Osama bin Laden stand corroborated by General Lebed’s (former Security chief of Russia) statement in 1997 that a number of such bombs stood missing from Russian arsenals.
Combating terrorism is itself a very complex and frustrating task. The task of combating Islamic Jehadi terrorism of the Osama bin Laden variety imposes new challenges for countries being targeted by Islamic Jehadis. The WMD threat so posed can only be effectively met by intelligence of a very high order which could facilitate pre-emptive actions.
If the current record of Taliban’s attitudes to intentional criticism over the Bamiyan episode is an indicator, Osama bin Laden will have nothing but contempt for any overtures to give up the WMDs as a tool of Islamic Jehad. WMDs give the Islamic Jehadis an unprecedented power to indulge in political blackmail of Western and other targeted countries. Aware of the vulnerability of civilised societies to political terror and panic, the WMD provides a heady intoxication of unrivalled power to the Islamic Jehadis.
Technical means for long distance disablement of such weapons do not seem to be in existence. Devoid of these, the United States as the primary target has no choice but to keep strict and effective surveillance of Osama bin Laden’s activities, the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan as the main conduit of both westward and eastward movement of the Jehadi’s WMDs. India too as one of the targets identified by Laden needs to ponder seriously as to how combat this menace.

 
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Mr Moderator
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Try these too....

September 17 2001, 11:26 PM 


 
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MrModerator
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What's more....

September 18 2001, 1:09 AM 

When the choice is national suicide....


WILLIAM REES-MOGG


In the interpretation of state speeches there is a rule of the significance of the penultimate - the opening and closing passages of a speech are the place for broad assertions; the middle is the place for the narrative, for the main argument. Just before the end is the place to slip in a disturbing concept, a warning that one does not wish to be overemphasised.

There was exactly such a penultimate passage in the Prime Minister’s speech last Friday to the House of Commons. “We know that these groups are fanatics, capable of killing without discrimination. Limits on the numbers they kill and their methods of killing are not governed by morality. The limits are only practical or technical. We know that they would, if they could, go further and use chemical or biological or even nuclear weapons of mass destruction. We know also that there are groups or people, occasionally states, who trade the technology and capability for such weapons. It is time this trade was opposed, disrupted and stamped out. We have been warned by the events of September 11. We should act on the warning.”

Dr Henry Kissinger, who was the most powerful US Secretary of State of the past 40 years, is still used as a well-briefed expositor of US foreign policy in times of crisis. In his current article for the Los Angeles Times Syndicate, there is a similar near penultimate paragraph. “Even the smallest nuclear weapon would produce devastation far dwarfing the catastrophe of the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.” If Tony Blair and Henry Kissinger both emphasise the threat of nuclear terrorism, they probably have good reason.

Many recent intelligence studies of the threats to American security have referred to the possible possession of nuclear weapons by terrorist groups, and particularly Osama bin Laden’s network. An anonymous paper, prepared earlier in the year, which is circulating in the City of London, alleges that “bin Laden’s possession of weapons of mass destruction is generally considered (in intelligence circles) to be a given . . . bin Laden’s original plan was to build his own tactical nuke. His emissaries have conducted several missions to Europe in an attempt to bring back enriched uranium . . . Reports emerging from Israel and Russia suggest that bin Laden gave his contacts in the Chechen Mafia several million dollars in cash, and heroin with a street value of more than $500 million — in exchange, the Chechens launched an all-out campaign to obtain (ex-Soviet) nuclear suitcase bombs for al-Qaeda (bin Laden’s core group).

“One source even suggests that bin Laden obtained several of these nuclear suitcase bombs in the autumn of 1998 and transferred them into storage in the Taleban’s main secure complex near Kandahar. The same source also claims that the weapons have not yet been used because they are still programmed with a Soviet era coding system that requires a signal from Moscow before detonation is possible. Another source confirms this information and even specifies that the number of tactical nuclear weapons acquired by bin Laden is close to 20.”

This is an account of raw intelligence data, which may or may not be reliable. The terrorists themselves have reason to lie about their possession of nuclear weapons. If they do not have them, they can still use the belief that they do as a threat. If they really do have them, they may not want to draw attention to the fact. However, both the Blair and Kissinger statements, and public evidence given to Congress earlier this year by George Tenet, Director of the CIA, show how seriously the intelligence community takes this possibility. Bin Laden may indeed have nuclear weapons, which could still be in Afghanistan, but could already be hidden near their targets.

US response on the day of the attacks supports this view of the threat. If a similar attack had occurred in the late 1940s, when Truman was President, there is no doubt the President’s instinct would have been to return to the White House at once. That was, indeed, what many Americans expected President Bush to do. The fact that he was first flown to a nuclear command bunker in Nebraska may suggest that his security advisers thought that the New York and Washington attacks might be a trap, with a tactical nuclear strike on the White House as the possible follow-up. Any President might have felt he should risk his own life to get back to the White House; no President would have felt he should risk a nuclear explosion in the centre of Washington.


Full article:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,248-2001322113,00.html




 
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Arthur Gibson
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I agree

September 18 2001, 2:50 AM 

All last week, the President and Vice President were kept a nuclear blast away from each other. I am not sure where Chaney is today. Maybe back at camp David.

This is deeply worrying. Almost as bad as the fuel protest. (I joke.)

I say we give them the Temple Mount, East Jerusalem and the Jewish settlements on the West Bank and get on with our lives.

We do not give up Israel, but we do give them the land that the UN gave them in 1947. Right now they don't have that.

Let us be fair to both sides.

But then the problem might be - what will OBL (Osmar bin Laden demand next? That we all convert to Islam?

 
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You're right. The problem is.....

September 18 2001, 11:40 PM 

...fanatical followers of Bin Laden etc probably won't settle for anything less than the complete destruction of Israel.

How d'you sort that one out?

 
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September 30 2001, 9:11 PM 

All last week, the President and Vice President were kept a nuclear blast away from each other. I am not sure where Chaney is today. Maybe back at camp David

Cheney?

 
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