Two of their rules really butt heads. First, you have to ride a Harley. Second, you have to wear a helmet.
Who is kidding whom?
That and the half million in Alaskan gold for the winner. (Their line about no room in a warrior society for second place has a nice homey "I don't got time to bleed" ring to it.)
Us guys at the shop where thinking of some kind of Dom Deluise, Burt Renolyds version of a Police side car unit.... somthing to keep the meth-head 1%ers at bay...
I would donate to that cause. A Sidecar rig with Coons (packing heat) aboard could be just the thing to keep the "righteous bros" at bay. I would love to see this. Brett and John together? Would be a hard combination to beat. Let me know the route, so I can be there to wave as they go by.
Someone needs to build something Smokey Yunick would have. Like modify the airbox on a Buell so that a 'regular' fuel tank could sit up there, meanwhile sporting the fuel-in frame, netting a 9 gallon capacity.
Or make that frame on your chopper out of 3" tube where possible. No need to mention the fact that it's hollow, welded fuel-tight and that secret fuel pump is sucking from that stainless line that runs under the battery tray. And that huge coil of fuel line between the throttle bodies is 'just in case' of a problem. And that canteen you have isn't for water or that muffler is welded shut for a little more distance.
"A half a million dollars in Alaskan Gold" means....
Prize Money
Organizer is offering a prize worth $500,000.00 U.S. (Five Hundred Thousand Dollars U.S.) in Yukon gold as valued on August 14, 2009. Organizer, in its own discretion, may substitute $500,000.00 U.S. (Five Hundred Thousand Dollars U.S.) in cash or certified funds in lieu of Yukon gold.
IN
wait....
Intoxicating Substances
You must NOT consume alcohol while driving. You must NOT drive under the influence of alcohol or any other intoxicating substance at any time. You must NOT consume any illegal or intoxicating substances at any time during the Event. If the Organizer finds you under the influence of alcohol while driving or attempting to drive or under the influence of any illegal or intoxicating substances the Organizer will prohibit you from participating further in the Event.
Participants will agree to random drug screening. Failure to comply will subject the participants to automatic disqualification and you will forfeit any prize as well as any entry fees paid.
Thank you I will be sure to clear this up on the website... What we meant to say is fuel cells will not be permitted, on your Harley or otherwise.
As for the Buells, you are indeed correct Buells are owned by HD and Buells do qualify for the Challenge.
If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to call or email us.
Thanks for your interest in the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge! We will look forward to seeing you at the starting line!!
Hmmm
I wonder what HD has in store for us at the dealershow next week...
Or maybe I really do need to set up a Buell.......
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: question
From: "Brett Donahue" <brett.donahue@donahuehd.com>
Date: Wed, July 16, 2008 2:24 pm
To: <info@hokaheychallenge.com>
The wording on something confuses me,
Motorcycles:
The event is open to V-Twin (Harley Davidson) motorcycles only. Custom bikes will be welcome but certain modifications (e.g., fuel cells) may not be permitted.
Does this mean NO fuel cells at all? Because when I read this it gives the impression that if you have a Harley-Davidson motorcycle you would be allowed to run a fuel cell?
And Clarify H-D, Buell is OWNED by HD so would a Buell qualify as an HD?
Brett Donahue
Donahue Harley-Davidson
"you don't quit riding because you get old,"
"you get old because you quit riding"
Brett-IBA#326/TS#515
Lame.
Brand specific 'racing' is lame enough. But they've taken it even one step lamer by allowing special construction bikes as long as they are HD clones. Gosh, even if its a Korean made Rev Tech engine, eh. So its not even an "American bike" angle.
NO disrespect at all meant towards the atheletes who compete in the Special Olympics (MY daughter being one of them), but this particular motorcycle event is just 'special'.
No disrespect to Eddie,and I have also been asked to leave Canada (actually urged by the Royal Canadian Mounties) ... hey! I was 18 and there were fine Canadian Girls and Canadian beer involved
Since I have never entered the IBR I am wondering if this is MY event, seriously now Brett.
If I were to walk into your store, and tell you to equip me for this ride, I have no Harley or clones, only boots..............
how would you set me up, and how much would it cost, what would be the choice ride? remember my aching bones probably lean more towards cruiser than Buell.
Theoretically speaking of course, since I may or may not have the Blank check available....I did get a nice rain on my corn this morning......
I would say Ultra or Road Glide, if the CB, the fairing lowers, and tour pak are important, the cost effectiveness lies with the Ultra.
the 08s have 6 speed and 6 gallons of fuel...
Road Glide is better handling, but would need to add those items if you so desire, with either of them you can add XM radio to the factory radio, and Nav but that sucks, not having an integration system for external GPS is the only real issue...
Esential accessories, Rider's back rest, fairing lowers (RG), XM, CB(RG), Top Box(RG). if it were my decision...
Both come with cruise standard, ABS is option, Cast wheels standard, Security is optional but I would probably not get it...unless you plan to move to a major metro with motorcycle theft issues...
"you don't quit riding because you get old,"
"you get old because you quit riding"
Brett-IBA#326/TS#515
The cigarette lighter and that three bag pouch on the windshield filled with one pocket filled with Root Beer Barrels, one to hold jerky, and one full of change because you don't want to rig up that EZ pass thingamajig now, do you?
No disrespect to Eddie,and I have also been asked to leave Canada (actually urged by the Royal Canadian Mounties) ... hey! I was 18 and there were fine Canadian Girls and Canadian beer involved
Since I have never entered the IBR I am wondering if this is MY event, seriously now Brett.
If I were to walk into your store, and tell you to equip me for this ride, I have no Harley or clones, only boots..............
how would you set me up, and how much would it cost, what would be the choice ride? remember my aching bones probably lean more towards cruiser than Buell.
Theoretically speaking of course, since I may or may not have the Blank check available....I did get a nice rain on my corn this morning......
I have no friggin idea, sorry must be in the twilight zone, I just watched a simultaneous sunset and moon rise, was really quite nice viewed from the alfalfa field
It is raining this morning, so I took some time to read more details of the Hoka Hey challenge.
Not having served our country in the military, I have always felt I should have, but Viet Nam was not a pretty option at the time. My admiration to those who did, and are serving. This ride is geared to those guys, and gals.
However, after looking the HD lineup over, my choice would be the Road Glide, with added lowers, and that would be about it. No need for a tour pack on this ride. My old GPS V would fill the bill for nav, since the route is being laid out. 6 gallons of fuel would be plenty,with a little careful planning,and I am sure the comfort level far exceeds the Ol' Mule.
Radio would be nice, not necessary, but if it's there I would use it,Sat radio? no need.
Just dreaming here, it would be a nice ride, I have wanted to get my butt to Alaska, but I am not much of a crowd person, the stop in Sturgis, would be the low point, but HOKA HEY , take the good with the bad.
I built a box for Lina and Sassie so I could ride back and forth to work, only to buy a house next door to the shop (moving in at the end of August) and not need it anymore, so either a real side car body, or strip it all off again, probably a body as I put the reverse gear in the transmission, although that could get someone out of a rally jam sometime maybe... hmmm
"you don't quit riding because you get old,"
"you get old because you quit riding"
Brett-IBA#326/TS#515
Perhaps I'm paranoid (it's good to be paranoid when everyone is out to get you) but I smell a scam, or at the very least an aborted event. Yeah, it's nice to say it's for the veterans, but how can they say they are giving away a half mil? Do they really think that many will sign up. If it doesn't happen, will people get their money back?
And it goes to the first one that gets there? And event organizers are riding in the event themselves? Looks like a team effort would be required to win, with several of the riders for interference.
But don't mind me, I always look on the bright side of things.
Someone else will take your comments and, perhaps, will be able to better explain the reasons that Victory Motorcycles have been excluded.
Beth
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Victory Motorcycles?
From: Me
Date: Sat, July 19, 2008 7:05 am
To: info@hokaheychallenge.com
Very interesting considering that Victory bikes are air/oil cooled. Just like HD. HD has a model called the V Rod that Is liquid cooled. Can that bike run?
Marty Leir
Long Distance Rider
------Original Message------
From: info@hokaheychallenge.com
To: Martin Leir
Sent: Jul 19, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Victory Motorcycles?
Hello! And thanks for your interest in the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge!
While we appreciate the fact that Victory is American made, at present, the Victory motorcycles are not going to be allowed in the Event. We (the Organizers) did discuss this option and determined that we had to draw the line somewhere. Since the radiator lends a bit of an advantage to the Victory riders they have been excluded.
We would still like to see you at the starting line in 2009 - there's still time for you to get on a HOG!!
Does this seem too easy to anyone else.1000 miles a day.Point A to point B.No bonus hunting?My boss has offered up his Harley,I just have to find the catch.
The ride will be leaving from Key West August 1st. Destination Kenai Peninsula Alaska. No entry fee. No prize. One rule, any asshole screaming native American battle cries like he (or she) actually has an ounce of warrior blood in them will be kicked to death by the ghosts of crazy horse (just for the fun of it) and General Custer (out of embarrassment for what passes as a tough guy)
ARE YOU A CHOSEN ONE? Jews are absolutely welcome to participate. Shalom
well, the crap slinging of the IBR and IBA was mostly from other members of the IBA, I too question giving the IBA any more money, but in the long run all the hubub about the 07 rally will end up making the IBR better, (I hope) I've said it before and I'll say it again, it just doesn't seem right that the "premier" longdistance event (often referred to as the "big show") should be LEADING the way with rules and such, not using stuff that others have established...
maybe we are a little biased, those that have been involved in TEAM STRANGE events, but I truly feel that Eddie, Adam, and the rest of the TS crew set the standard for Long Distance riding and events...
and the other point on the Hokey Pokey Hey rally, I doubt it will get off the ground, rookies that don't have a clue what they are doing and I hope no one sends them any money as I doubt they will get ANYTHING for it....
I smell scam.
"you don't quit riding because you get old,"
"you get old because you quit riding"
Brett-IBA#326/TS#515
<<and the other point on the Hokey Pokey Hey rally, I doubt it will get off the ground>>
Some of this reminds me of the group that went from Prudhoe Bay to Key West a couple of years back, though there wasn't any half-million pot of gold at the end.
There sure is a lot we don't know about this rally, and can only guess. They have announced checkpoints, but maybe we are assuming they are like regular LD-rally checkpoints where everyone regroups. Maybe these are different than that.
If they do regroup at the checkpoints, and the prize goes to the first person to reach the finish, then it would seem there would be a mad, crazy, go for broke sprint on the last leg of the rally. That would be something to see, and you'd expect some major carnage, and it surely won't help the image of LD riding that we have worked so hard to maintain.
Just a few thoughts based on incomplete info and basic guessing.
Re: Anyone inquiring with the States Attorney yet?
July 21 2008, 11:08 PM
I for one welcome our new Overlords of LD Riding! Hail the Newcomers! May the mythical pot o' gold at the end of some crappy Alaskan road grow ever bigger!
I've always lusted after a Road King/sidecar combo. 200 quatloos on me! [Wait - can I bet on myself?]
As for you that think this Hoka Hey event is a scam, think again. We are not in the buisness of scamming people we are here to put on an event never seen before. so just sit on your ass's like you have always done and let your ole ladies tell you how to live your lives. While the real men or even women ride in this challenge. Dreams and ideas come true by those that strive to do so.
As one of the organizers I can say it is real and if you aint got the balls to ride then you need not open your mouths. This is an event that will go down in history and the riders will be remembered. Not like you slugs that your kids won't even remember your names
As one of the organizers I can say it is real and if you aint got the balls to ride then you need not open your mouths. This is an event that will go down in history and the riders will be remembered. Not like you slugs that your kids won't even remember your names
Wouldn't it be special if this "old school" response-bot were actually a real human being? Oh, to think of the level of mouth-breathing/dumber than a drunk Joey Ramone stupidity required to post that on this board!
[It's spelled "Leir", but pronounced "Throap Warbler Mangrove"]
You all can be nay-sayer's and try to put this event down but it will happen and I suppose all of you will miss the fun. As for having a lawyer don't worry we have two of them. It is amazing how the computer has made everyone of you so outspoken and full of bravado, I just wonder if you would be act this way in person. And for the self proclaimed Lakota we are all related.
Mr. School, I know the folks personally that have responded to you, and can assure you they would say what they have typed to your face.
We were voicing doubts, since we have been involved in running and riding long distance events for many, many years.
Now that we have your attention, how about some answers?
Why is this event limited to the Harley Davidson brand? (bet those royalties to HD are expensive)
Who is financing that prize money if you don't get enough entrants to cover it? Or are you hoping one of the organizers wins, and no need to pay it out?
I'd have more questions but I have to go check with my old lady first.
You do realize that we are all a bit skeptical when many before you have tried to pull off this type of event and failed. I would be very curious to know who your insurance underwriter is considering you have proposed a flat out race from point A to B, just broken up in "legs".
When you are asked a legitimate question (see previous post about Victory) your rep. gives out bad/false information. Your organizers utter lack of motorcycle knowledge does not lend itself to being taken seriously. BTW I still have not heard gotten a second response, like promoised, about the real reason that Victory has been excluded.
If you honestly believe that any of the posters on this board are even the least bit intimidated by the "challenge" your rally presents you really know nothing about LD riding. I would be willing to bet that 95% of the posters on this board could run your rally @ 1K per day rate and still get 7-8 hours sleep a night. They would get more sleep if they could use fuel cells.
So don't take it so personal when we don't believe that this rally will ever see the light of day.
I'm sorry, but I just can't get pass the fact that this guy wonders into TS, claims to be an organizer of this Hocus Pocus Ride, and makes claims that riders here couldn't get out of their driveways let alone Alaska, yet has no idea where he is or who he thinks he is talking to.
But this is great thread entertainment.
I love the camera question. Did we get an answer? Well Mr. Oldschool, Polaroid or digital?
...you don't even know what that means, do you?
Good luck Mr. Oldcookoo. Ragging on these guys about long distance riding will only make you look very, very foolish.
By the way, I have been riding HD's since 1973, I've rode on 3 continents, including USA, Canada, Spain, France, UK, Holland, Germany, and Morocco. (all on a new 1973 XLCH). My current ride is my 1972 FLH with 200,000 miles, and I could not begin to compete or keep up with any of these folks at TS. So I suggest you do a little more homework on who these great people are because they have always treated me very well and I enjoy their events and I ain't about to let some Huckin Farley guy come in here and toss BS around.....
Mr old school,
I have a couple questions.
What is the Medicine Show Land Trust and what state or jurisdiction are you chartered/organized in (just point us to your legal documentation? I can safely speak for all when I say we only enter events when we know who is running them.
Since you are a new organization with no "Face" and TeamStrange (among others with a legal charter for all to inspect) and its riders are a proven old organization with "Faces". We would like to know who we are giving our money too and their mission.
What about type of logistics will there be for 500+ riders, "support staff", your staff, and volunteers in Key West, Sturgis (during rally week), and your end point? TeamStrange and its riders, has a familiarity and lengthy history dealing with these types of issues in these types of events. What you are planning is perceived as very difficult at best to economically, unfeasibly ridiculous.
Your replies to this point in time have damaged your organizations credibility and its marketing campaign (if you are legitimate). Since TeamStrange's reach is global, you might want to consider having someone else within your organization who is familiar with all the questions and issues raised respond.
If you are legitimate, my intent is promote and help you have a successful event.
If you are not legitamate... Just reply with another "you don't have the balls" type comment because it will prove your intentions, or not reply at all.
Either way, the riders here will get the picture and spread the word...
Looking forward to your next post.
Critter
The event reads as being an illegal activity rewarding the one who can ravel the distance in the shortest time. i.e. speeding is more likely to be rewarded than not speeding. Excessive speeding even more so. Criminal, life-threatening speed can be rewarded the best of all.
It is glamorizing and encouraging illegal activity.
In the encouragement of an illegal activity, any release you can conjure up will still not be looked at favorably by a jury.
When a rider you're offering the half-a-million* dollars to plows into little Timmy on his way to school doing 80 in a 25 zone, your second concern will be Little Timmy's parents suing you.
Your first concern should be your impending indictment on criminal charges.
It's an easy to understand scenario: you're offering an outrageous award to
the one who breaks the law the best. Do you really wonder why no one takes
this seriously?
Rev. Eddie
*half-a-million dollars. hmmm.....I guess if I read it on the internet it must be true.
The Medicine Show Land Trust
13084 Greg Dr.
Hot Springs, SD 57747
A quick check showed a real estate website listing the house at that address as for sale--asking price a cool $172,000. So is the $$ being used to pay the Hoka Hey winner, or is Hoka Hey moving to new digs with their newly-gotten entry fees?
Is it that you guys are not running this event that you are so negative. Hootis or should I say Paul that is your name isn't it. I nor any of the organizers of this event didn't start this crap as I see it when I googled our own event name your organization came up and here we are. Most of you have talked smack about the event and maybe been down right disrespectful. But When I responded you all got on the band wagon that The Hoka Hey organizers are trying to pull a scam. As I said before it is not. If I have offended anyone I am man enough to apologize. Now try contacting one of us and we will be glad to answer all of your questions.
As the "old lady" of the founder of this site and the events it sponsors, I have read this thread with much interest, laughter and even wonder...
I am fairly new to this sport - right at two years of exposure to LD riding but even with my limited experience, I know a long distance rider when I see one. (Or read his posts...)
For the most part they are from all backgrounds, income levels and occupations. They are various sizes, shapes, & ages. But they all seem to share two very important qualities - they are quietly confident and believe it or not, amazingly humble. In the few posts you have made and judging from the bravado so prevalant on your website I doubt many in your group share these fine qualities.
They are some of the funniest people I have ever met and yes, they will call you out in a minute if they think you are, in any way, giving LD riding a bad name.
And I really can't recall ever hearing any of them refer to their wives or girlfriends as "old lady". They are much too classy for that.
As others before me have pointed out, your knowledge of the sport is obviously limited. You really should do a bit more Googling and find out who you are dealing with here.
Better yet, wander out to the Team Strange home page and start clicking on each link. You might just learn a few things to assist you in running a successful rally.
Good luck,
Lurleen
(Just don't get any crazy ideas and try to cut and paste the TS rules. We'll see your two attorneys and raise you a judge...)
"As one of the organizers I can say it is real and if you aint got the balls to ride then you need not open your mouths. This is an event that will go down in history and the riders will be remembered. Not like you slugs that your kids won't even remember your names"
....now just complain in the above post about people not being respectful?
Tell you what Mr. Old School.
TeamStrange has one of the premier Long Distance events in the world starting next week. Details elsewhere on this site.
As the riders on this site seem to "talk smack", why don't you show up and ride the event?
Show 'eme how little they know.
Show the entire Long Distance Riding community community what you're made of.
Put yourself on the LD map.
Go ahead.
How hard could it be?
Now we're not giving away any half-a-million dollars, but we are giving away a brand new motorcycle of the winners choice. And one of the choices to pick from is a H-D XL1200R, courtesy of Donahue H-D in St. Cloud, MN.
Need even more enticement?
I will personally write the $900 check for your entry fee. Seriously.
Put up. or STFU.
I think right now your talk is viewed as cheap because the supply is so much greater than the demand.
Enter the event.
Prove the the folks on this site wrong.
Seriously.
What could go wrong?
And I will reimburse you for all gas expenses during the rally that Eddie is going to pay the entry fee for! (with the disclaimer that you have to finish the rally and not be a DNF) to be reimbursed.
What size parking facility do you have lined up in Key West? Assuming you do the event, and assuming that you get 500 bikes to start...I may just come to Key West to see 500 V-Twins all leave a parking area at the same time, where the objective of the ride is to get to the finish first.
It would also be fun to see this procession work their way up the ultra high speed road, known as US 1, thru the Keys.
I'm not too sure where the "portion" of funds to be donated to Warrior Weekend will come from, you must be counting on a lot of sponsorship money. My math states that if you fill the field...after awarding the prize, there is no money to pay for the numbered challange coins you are going to give out, the administrative cost, etc, etc.
And...if you get 300 riders to sign up, the organizers are going to make up the balance for the announced prize?
And a question, since you have stated we could ask those...is there going to be a mandantory route that each rider must follow to the letter...or is the rider able to determine their own route from checkpoint to checkpoint?
And one final question...you have recd a lot of questions from MLeir and Brett D...do you have any idea what their motorcyle riding achievments/credentials are?
You claim this website came up when you googled your event name. I google Hoka Hey and a TeamStrange connection never comes up. Same result if I google Hoka Hey and TeamStrange together. Is it because this is a private website discussion board? Was it a false claim gfrom you? I don't know but I don't see where you google Hoka Hey and come up with this site as you claim. I'd also really like to see a response to the illegal event position above.
I saw a flyer for the Hoka Hey at Coziahr Harley-Davidson/Buell in Decatur on Saturday. Brett Donahue seemed to know something about it. Raises more questions than it answers, just stirring the pot.
BTW, my wife and I test rode the Ulysses XT Saturday. One of the best handling and riding bikes I've ever ridden. That bike is now on our Christmas wish list. Can Santa be bribed with extra cookies?
I am not a Team Strange insider just a dilitant. But having hung around the most recent TS event I can maybe tell you why your event grates on the nerves of the people who know what their doing. The first thing you would notice about a real long distance rally is the wide variety of bikes, and all are welcome because it is not what you ride it is how you ride it. So limiting a real rally to HD is just nutty. Really, I will let you in on a little secret, there are a bunch of guys, and girls by the way, riding around out there on rice burners, kraut processors and pasta makers that think nothing of going 1,000 miles in fifteen hours, no support crew just a few sandwiches. The second thing is when a real rally involves strategy and the ability to handle all weather conditions and fatigue (the recent MN1k winner did something like 1,700 miles in 24 hours while collecting bonuses)an operation like yours that takes how long to get from Key West to Sturgis? seriously that is only 2,300 miles, two days ride at the most. As for all the legal matters surrounding running an event on public roads you would be crazy not to make friends and learn from people who have done it for years.
<quote from oldskool>
Now try contacting one of us and we will be glad to answer all of your questions.
</quote>
Lets keep it simple. Why can't Victory Motorcyles run in your event while a liquid cooled motorcycle can?
<quote from http://hokaheychallenge.com/rules/index.html>;
Motorcycles:
The event is open to V-Twin (Harley Davidson) motorcycles only. Custom bikes will be welcome but certain modifications (e.g., fuel cells) may not be permitted.
</quote>
What is it V-Twin or HD? Why some custom bikes and not others? Why can some German designed bikes run and a BMW can't?
Please don't tell me about the radiators on the Victory, they don't exist.
Marty "Hopin my 'O Lady lets me ride this weekend" Leir
I know your jaw just dropped. But it's true. Honest.
Now play nice you boys and girls or we will scare this fellow off and our fun will be over just like it started. Quick and dirty see.
Okay a donkey I can't either. I tried and didn't get what I was after so...I speculate:
Can I have ten percent of want this person doesn't take in the humble Butt Lite offers cause my home is in foreclosure too and I can't pay it off with the XL1200R me and Bart are going to win cause I will have to split it in a divorce with him and the lawyers won't leave nottin?
F'in ole ladies.
I wish we could go back to "just sit(tin) on (y)our ass's like you (we) have always done" but now I have this "real men or even women ride in this challenge." complex to live up to cause maybe my "Dreams and ideas come true" cause I am one of "those that strive to do so"
I want to up my ante but can't top Eddie and John so... Old School
If you get on your steed...
(You do have a steed don't you?)
and beat me and don't win the bike the MS70 is yours....cause now I'm betting you won't take me original bet.
Warrior blood I will so love to be shamed. I truly do no nothing about it.
Lemme try this;
You got the balls to ride cause you sure have opened your mouth.
This is way to fun but I wish it were a world where people that say we are all one acted like it. It would prolly be safer with less warriors.
Where the hell is that Kentucky fella? This is your qeue to claim to be old school and have a rally on someone elses dime.
Did he really think that he was 'outing' you by posting that your name is Paul? For his next shocker, he'll reveal that my name is Shannon Lee!! Good lord that man has eyes everywhere! HE's like some kind of Savant . . . .only thing left is to determint what KIND of Savant he is.
here is a copy of the email I sent to the hokahey challenge email...
I really would like to know how they can pull this off...
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I am curious, if you are allowing custom built bikes, why would you not allow american built Victory’s? maybe even the ill fated Excelsior Hendersons that are still afloat? Just curious…
I am curious how the event will actually run, will your check points be open and a mandatory stay time at each one? Or will it be each segment timed and the cumulative total?
How do you plan to house this amount of people along the way, 500+ riders plus any support staff say average 2 each… that is 1500 people, blocking rooms or whatever for that count is a heck of a task…
And I do have one person seriously interested, what guarantee does this customer have that his entry fee isn’t just gone with the wind?
Thanks…
Brett Donahue
Donahue Harley-Davidson
Buell and Husaberg
3555 Shadowwood Dr. N.E.
Sauk Rapids MN 56379
320-251-6980
320-251-5168fax
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Brett...check out the www.BikerHeaven.com web site under Hoka Hey discussion area. Scuttlebutt or truth...one of the posts states riders are not allowed to stay in a motel/hotel etc. How this would be inforced would be interesting, in fact it would be interesting to just get more facts, period.
Maybe it is like a TeamStrange event, where the answer to any question is the ubiquitous, "Yes."
Mr. OldSchool has been very quiet lately...is it possible that Mr. OldSchool is in fact a noted "rabble rouser" that is actually a Stranger? And the real people behind the organization of this event have no idea of what has been said on the TeamStrange discussion board? Bubba?
Part of the race rules will be no sleeping in hotels, you have to sleep on the ground the whole two weeks.
You mean like this idiot?
Yah, that's why they call it the Iron Butt Motel, not the Hoka Hey Hotel.
Like he told me, he wants 1,000 Spartans who will battle to the death.
Anybody who would actually talk about a "battle to the death" in the context of a motorcycle rally is either stupid (for using that figure of speech) or insane (if he really means it).
and this from the hokey pokey website is interesting...
kind of like bracket racing, make your own schedule...
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Each rider will set his or her own schedule, while driving within the posted speed limits on all roads traveled. Participants must arrive at the final checkpoint not more than 14 days from the start date in order to be recognized by the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge Organizers.
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so what you have to pick your own time and get there on time?
"you don't quit riding because you get old,"
"you get old because you quit riding"
Brett-IBA#326/TS#515
Emails and faxes sent early this morning to info@hokaheychallenge.com, terry@blackhillshd.com, laverne@sturgishd.com, mike@mcguire-hd.com, janiceeven@wyoming.com, info@whitesharley.com
Two threatening calls already received this morning from "Big Jim" who hung up on me each time I asked him to give me his last name. According to "Big Jim" with no last name, I am now being investigated by Wells Fargo Bank and the FBI. I'm shaking in my boots.
Sent via Email, Fax to 605-745-6576 and U.S. Mail to The Medicine Show Land Trust, 13084 Greg Drive, Hot Springs, SD 57747. Copies to Harley-Davidson dealers referenced on your website (Southern Thunder HD by Fax to 662-349-1096).
Big Jim, Terry Baker and Beth Durham,
I have a few questions before I and a number of serious Ironbutt Rally high place finishers send you $1,000.00 and buy a new Harley-Davidson in order to compete:
Jim is the Senior Managing Partner of Red Cloud Law Firm according to your website. Please provide Jim's last name and references for the Red Cloud Law Firm on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. My ex-wife lives in Hot Springs. Her grandmother, Coral Fern Craker, both taught at and served as principal of the Pine Ridge School for many years. She vibrated between Pine Ridge, SD, Hot Springs, SD and Mauston, WI (where she was born) for many years between the 60's and the 90's. She lived in Edgemont, SD from 1998 to 2004.
Where is 13084 Greg Drive? My ex-wife would like to come over and talk to you in person.
From the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge website FAQ's and "pdf" files downloaded from that website:
"if the Organizer, acting reasonably, decides to call off the Event either before the Event or during the Event due to an incident (such as for example, a death or serious injury in connection with the Event, or an event that otherwise naturally detracts from the Event), such event will be considered to be a force majeure event in accordance with this Clause and the Organizer will have no liability, in particular and without limitation, to refund the entry fee or any part of it to any participant."
"You must comply with all applicable laws and regulations of the State/Country in which you are traveling, including without limitation, all speed regulations, laws of the road, laws relating to the safety of your motorcycles and laws relating to the possession or use of alcohol, drugs or other prohibited substances. If you breach any applicable laws, the Organizer reserves the right to prohibit you from participating further in the Event and you will forfeit any prize as well as any entry fees paid."
FAQ 19. 1) "Those that want to win the gold. They will be riding hard and fast for the finish line..." seems inconsistent with the "You must comply..." paragraph above. How is that going to work in reality? Who will be the arbitrators of disputes regarding enforcement of "If you breach any applicable laws, the Organizer reserves the right to prohibit you from participating further in the Event and you will forfeit any prize as well as any entry fees paid." ?
In order to prove credibility regarding the $500,000 prize money, why not put all entrance fees in an escrow account at Wells Fargo Bank in Hot Springs, SD. As Big Jim knows, a properly constructed, legally binding escrow agreement between the Wells Fargo Bank and The Medicine Show Land Trust will guarantee that the promised prize money or 80% of all entrance fees collected, which ever is the smaller dollar amount, would be available and actually paid to the winner.
Thanking you in advance for your prompt reply,
James C. Puckett
5350 Old Dowlen Road, Apt. 324
Beaumont, TX 77706
573-270-5218 cell
mr puckett,
hope this helps.
big jim
james g redcloud esq. -"tribal" attorny
james g durham
race- caucasian
native american - not
vietnam veteran - era veteran
i have dealt with this character in the past
and things didnt end without litigation.
land trust are designed to be costly to break and im assuming
this scam is no different than his many other flim flam deals.
"i have dealt with this character in the past and things didnt end without litigation. land trust are designed to be costly to break and im assuming
this scam is no different than his many other flim flam deals."
i suspect you are 100% correct. can you provide any details of "didnt end without litigation" to me via private email or snail mail?
google THE GREAT BUFFALO CAPER by Maximillian Potter.
he wrote a factual piece for 5280 DENVERS MAGAZINE.
something everybody considering hoka hey should read.
real deal said: "google THE GREAT BUFFALO CAPER by Maximillian Potter. he wrote a factual piece for 5280 DENVERS MAGAZINE. something everybody considering hoka hey should read."
too long and convoluted for most hokey pokeys to read including me
"... in 2002 Big Jim filed suit against Lund and Rippberger, arguing that he should have received a third of the insurance settlement. He claimed that, according to the LLC agreement, any profit from the Sacred Buffalo was to be equally divided three ways. Lund and Ripp- berger countered successfully by claiming their agreement established that all profits would be split three ways, provided the two financiers first recouped their investment plus a 100 percent return on their investment, which was equal to the $193,000 each took out of the Acadia payment. In memos to a Buffalo LLC lawyer on the matter, Lund instructed the attorney to fight Big Jim's suit because it was "ridiculous." On principle, as Lund put it, he told his attorney not to settle. The case dragged on into March 2004, when Lund's attorney deposed Durham. Well into the hours-long deposition, Durham took it upon himself to solicit a settlement."
Re: Not A TS event...... are they flippin serious!!!!!!
November 17 2009, 12:35 PM
Well, according to my local rag it looks like at least one local guy is entering: Interesting that ther's no mention of the events 'name' in the article....
Re: Not A TS event...... are they flippin serious!!!!!!
November 17 2009, 1:40 PM
From the linked article, Officer Vieira says:
>And when he finishes that ride, he plans to take off immediately on a ride from the west coast of Canada to the east coast of Canada. "I am going to try to stay above the Arctic Circle as much as I can," he said. He said he will not be staying in motels along the way during the rides, and plans to bathe in mountain streams, or at the occasional truck stop along the way."
I wish this guy well and respect his service, but good luck with the riding west to east above the Arctic Circle and the mountain stream baths.
<<"I am going to try to stay above the Arctic Circle as much as I can," he said.>>
If Officer Vieira has actually been telling people that (maybe the reporter misunderstood what he was saying)I wonder what he will think to himself when he actually looks at a map.
It's kinda the verbal equivalent of having a long strip of toilet paper stuck to your shoe on your first date.
Of course he's got a darned good excuse for when he returns home and the reporter asks him about his ride across Canada above the Arctic Circle. "Well I would have done it," he could say, "but those idiots haven't built the road yet."
Yes, the Arctic Circle Route had me confused but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with respect to the reporting.
I'm torn between leaving him to his own devices and inviting him to breakfast with a few of the local IB guys. We get together once in a while and it might be useful for him to meet some folks, one of whom has actually been to Homer, during a 'rally'. He seems decent enough, Mr. OldSkools attitude kind of puts me off but maybe I'll drop him a line and see if he's like to kick some tyres....
Andy Kirby said, "I'm torn between leaving him to his own devices and inviting him to breakfast with a few of the local IB guys. We get together once in a while and it might be useful for him to meet some folks, one of whom has actually been to Homer, during a 'rally'. He seems decent enough, Mr. OldSkools attitude kind of puts me off but maybe I'll drop him a line and see if he's like to kick some tyres."
In follow up to "real deal" responce to me dated 11/03/2009, I've spoken with Max Potter at 5280 Dnver's Magazine about his January 2009 article The Great Buffalo Caper. Max turned me on to Peder Lund, plantiff in the Sacred Buffalo Inc vs Paladin Enterprises Inc lawsuit first filed by James G Durham against Peder Lund in Massachusetts in 2002. The lawsuit was transfered to Federal Court in Denver and later dropped in 2004.
I talked to Mr. Lund in London this morning. Interesting conversation to say the least. James G Durham is not a licensed attorney in any state. He may or may not be a tribal attorney on the Pine Ridge Reservation in the Red Cloud Law Firm. He may or may not be part Lakota indian. Neither Max Potter nor Peder Lund, who actually was a Green Beret, could ever verify that James G Durham ever served in the military.
My conversation with Mr. Lund this morning was summed up by him. Hoka Hey should be Hoax Hey. I hope you will contact Detective Carlos Vieira and introduce him to the LD community and this thread of investigative reporting.
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