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Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman

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Can anyone tell me which short stories this collection will contain? I get the impression quite a few of them have been published before at various online sources (often poorly translated).

Thanks for any info.

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The Dolphin Hotel

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Wildsheep at the Dolphin Hotel wrote its contents. Please visit the following site.

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Paperback edition announced?

by Joe

Thanks for the list, OSAKABE Yoshio. I'm excited for the release of Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman. I think I'm going to get the hardcover edition of the book, but do you know if there will be a paperback edition announced as well?

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Paperback

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I am also waiting for the release of the paperback edition. The hardcover edition in UK and US are rather expensive for me. I hope the PB will be available soon.

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some help with translations

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Hi to everyone!

I'm doing some translation of Murakami's short novesl to Spanish. Murakami is not so dificult to read in Japanese but when you have to translate it many problems come to the surface.
OK, I am translating now "Takushii ni notta kyuukekki", "The vampire on a taxi" which appears in "A perfect day for kangarooing" . There's one moment when the taxi driver says to the narrator that he became a vampire nine years ago, when the M?nchen Olympics, so the narrator answers something like "Oh, yes. Time stop! You are beautiful"
I don`t catch the meaning of that sentence, can anybody help me???

Oh, by the way, I would appreciate if anybody can translate the names of the actresses appearing in the same novel.

Thanks a lot!

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time stop

by george

It's difficult to know what it is without a context, but I think "Time stop!" is probably what happens in, for instance, basketball or football when a coach of one of the teams wants to discuss tactics with the timer stopped. It's usually called "time out".
You often hear people use the phrase "time out" to interrupt. For instance, if you are arguing with someone over which icecream to buy and you're starting to raise your voices, you might say, 'Time out! Time out! Let's both of us just calm down and buy one of each."
On the other hand, "Time stop! You are beautiful" could be interpreted as "if only time could come to a standstill; that you might retain your youth and beauty forever."
The "Oh, yes" seems to imply the thought is new, or only just realised and I would guess is spoken inwardly.
That is all I can see in the phrase. I hope I've helped.

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Munich Olympic

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"Toki yo tomare. Kimi wa utsukushi (Time stop! You are beautiful)" is the title of the Munich Olympic film in 1972. Try to find the correct title in English or German.

Actresses are KISHIMOTO Kayoko, SHINGYOJI Kimie and MOMOI Kaori. I write family name first and given name second. If you prefer western style, please reverse them.


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Visions of Eight

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The title of the film in English is "Visions of Eight". "Time stop! You are beautiful." is its Japanese title. Sometimes film translators or distributors invent strange titles to attract Japanese audiences.

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Thanx a lot!

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Thanx for the help Yoshio-san!

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geos

by george

I got a job teaching English in Japan with a company called Geos. I start in September. I haven't signed the contract yet, but I have until the 30th. I'm pretty excited!

Posted on May 22, 2006, 12:29 PM

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Re: geos

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ooh, lucky. I've never lived in Japan, but I've visited there. I think it would be a lot of fun to live there. Where in Japan would you be living?


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Re: geos

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One of the down-sides is that I don't have any say in where I'm posted; but I don't know anything about Japan anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. I find out where I'm going about a month before flying out there.

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Re: geos

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congrats ive always wanted to go and plan to in the future

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Re: geos

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Geos is one of the large language factories in Japan that primarily teaches English. Not a bad job, but definitely not good. Nova is worse. The Jet program will pamper you more and often treat you like a tape recorder with legs. If you are only planning to stay in Japan for more than a year or so, then this job is ok. But for anything long term, you will soon want to find something better.

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My essay on Haruki Murakami ....

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I am the original forum moderator, and creator of the murakami page back i 1996-7 -- it was pulled down a few years ago -- fortunately, there are just so many online resources these days that mine would have seemed poor, if not superfluous.

a researcher in literature and cultural studies, I am proud to have got my first substantial piece of research on my favourite author accepted by a good journal (Mosaic), which should be forthcoming this coming december. It discusses the postmodern animal in his works. I will hopefully share it with all of you in the near future. stay tuned.

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Alive

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You are alive...i am suprised :P

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Re: Alive

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It's like the Second Coming of God. Witness the evidence: (1) She is the creator, of this forum; (2) She was here, but then she vanished for such a long time that we began to doubt her existence; (3) She finally returns bearing good tidings of an interesting journal article.

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The Elephant Vanishes

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I've started reading the elephant vanishes and reviews (amatuer and professional)i read it seems that people end up thinking deeply about the stories and even shocked. Although i think the stories are good i dont feel as if there is anyhting particularly deep in them?
Elliot

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Re: The Elephant Vanishes

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And your point is. . . ?

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hm maybe up for nobel award

by jimmy

u guys probably already know this but hm won the franz kafka award in prague last month and the previous 2 winners went onto win the nobel award in the same year. if any popular writer deserves it its haruki


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on rereading Murakami

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Have any of you? I've tried rereading Kafka and parts of Wind-Up Bird and it just hasn't held like the original did. Some books, Catcher in the Rye, Great Gatsby, I've read many times. This previous thread on Norwegian Wood got me thinking maybe that would be a good one to reread. I imagine doing so would enrich the experience and understanding of the novel. Any thoughts or opinions?

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Re: on rereading Murakami

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I've reread Norwegian Wood, Hear The Wind Sing and Elephant. Each time I'm reminded of why I like Murakami, even when I'm a different person now and I've moved on to different authors. I intend to reread Wind-up some time soon. I imagine I'll enjoy it just as much if not more so. I think he's fairly timeless.
I'd like to reread all his stuff but there are just too many books in the world. If anything, if I hadn't read Murakami I'd have never got onto Carver. That in itself puts me in the man's debt.

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Re: on rereading Murakami

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I've reread Norwegian Wood and Kafka on the Shore, and parts of Wind-Up Bird. I've enjoyed the rereadings, firstly because they're good stories and secondly because when you reread them, it's easier (for me, at least) to pick up on the themes of the novel. Aside from that, it's interesting that the second time you read it, your perception of reading the same scenes change. So there's more suspense the first time around because you don't know what's going to happen. Then the second time, maybe there's more sadness because you know that something bad's about to happen.


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Re: on rereading Murakami

by Joe

I've reread Hard-Boiled and A Wild Sheep Chase. I thought they were both enjoyable reads, particularly Hard-Boiled. I intend on reading both novels again sometime, along with the rest of his novels.

Posted on Jun 23, 2006, 6:37 AM

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Norwegian wood - Did Toru Watanabe commit suicide in the end?

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I'm wondering if Toru Watanabe, the protagonist in Norwegian Wood, committed suicide in the end of the novel.

The reason I'm saying this is because in the last scene of the book, after sending off Reiko in a train station, Toru called Midori from a phone box. When Midori asked him where he was calling from, Toru had no idea and he seemed to be in another world. Toru saw "countless shapes of people walking by to nowhere" which I interpret to be ghosts. He tried repeatedly to speak to Midori "from the dead centre of this place that was no place" which sounded to me like life in the after world.

My intuition tells me that either he was hallucinating or he was so overcome by grief that he committed suicide by jumping in front of an oncoming train. When he spoke to Midori, he was already dead. What do everyone think?

Posted on May 8, 2006, 8:18 AM

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but then

by hayden fry

How could he have written the book as a reflection? That is how it opens, traveling on a plane to Germany when struck by the Beatles' song.

Posted on May 8, 2006, 5:00 PM

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Re: but then

by Anonymous

How did William Holden narrate "sunset Blvd" face down in a swimming pool? I don't think he is dead, but such a stunt has been pulled off before.

Posted on May 9, 2006, 4:57 AM

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It's about emptiness

by Anonymous

He is definitely not dead, and those people walking about are definitely not ghosts - it's just the feeling he gets watching them move. Re-read the book if you are unable to feel Toru's emptiness at the end of the novel. Toru's girlfriend's suicide might be related to Murakami's college experiences - he lost some friends during that time, and you can feel how pointless the world might feel to you if your friends just killed themselves like that.

Posted on May 8, 2006, 8:17 PM

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It's clearer now

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Thanks for the comments. It helps clarify the story. Although he lost Naoko, at least he gets to be with Midori in the end.

Posted on May 9, 2006, 1:56 AM

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lingering doubts

by simon

I still have some lingering doubts....

I can understand that Toru feel emptiness after what happened, but it still does not explain why he suddenly could not explain to Midori where he was calling from; why he repeatedly kept calling out to Midori but got no response from her and what Murukami means by "this place that was no place".

If my theory that he was already dead when he made the phone call to Midori is correct, it is also conceivable that he can be "traveling on a plane to Germany" i.e the book is written as a reflection of a dead person. This technique has been done before in the movie American Beauty where Kevin Spacey narrates events leading to his death. Another example would be The Sixth Sense (Bruce Willis).

Just thinking of the possibilities because there are so many unanswered questions....


Posted on May 9, 2006, 4:57 AM

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Re: lingering doubts

by george

It works but I wouldn't say it's conclusive.

Posted on May 9, 2006, 4:24 PM

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Rubin's thought

by kiki

I asked Rubin himself what he thought. Here is his answer:


"He's clearly not a happy guy, but I don't see any suggestion that he killed himself after writing the memoir that is the novel. The main events happened when he was 19-20, and the writing occurs when he is 38. What would have suddenly triggered such an act? In any case, he's not a disembodied ghostly narrator but the WRITER of the pages we read (not Murakami, but Boku/Tooru)."



Posted on May 10, 2006, 8:26 AM

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Rubin, part two

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AFter I posted his first response, Rubin asked me a link to the original thought about Boku committing suicide. He sent me this and said I could share it with you.


Hmmm, Simon's view makes sense--and is certainly consistent with the presence of "death" in Murakami's "other world" (as in DANCE DANCE DANCE), but to conclude that he is a ghost (a ghost who can write)--and has been a ghost for eighteen years--seems to me to throw out too many of the ground rules of reality that the novel itself has established since its opening lines. I don't think Murakami is deliberately jerking his readers around the way some of those movie examples (which do not involve written--published--pages) do. If you look at my HARUKI MURAKAMI AND THE MUSIC OF WORDS, though, on pp. 158-59, I emphasize the presence of death at the end of the book. The "four" occasions of lovemaking with Reiko seem deliberately to evoke the traditional Japanese association between "four" (shi) and "death" (shi): "By sleeping (four times) with Reiko, a sexually functional surrogate for the sexually dysfunctional Naoko, he implicitly chooses death and negativity (Naoko) over life (Midori); Toru will live with his memories of Naoko rather than give himself over to the vitality of Midori."
As translator, I chose to encourage this interpretation by using the expression "dead center" in the last line. The Japanese word for "center" is strongly emphasized but English "dead center" may have been--dare I say?--overkill.





Posted on May 10, 2006, 3:11 PM

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hmmmm

by kotori

a bit off topic

but what's interesting about the last scene is that Midori's father seems to have predicted it.

do you remember the delirious words he said in his deathbed?
He may have been telling his daughter the place from which the protagonist would be calling.

anyone supports my view?

Posted on May 11, 2006, 8:02 AM

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Conclusion?

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Thanks Kiki and Rubin. It's a pleasant surprise to hear from Rubin.

However I'm not quite sure what Rubin means when he says: "Simon's view makes sense--and is certainly consistent with the presence of 'death' in Murakami's 'other world'. My theory is that Toru committed suicide at the end. Does it mean that Rubin agrees with my hypothesis?

If that the case, we have a conundrum here. Toru cannot die and then be alive at the beginning of the novel to recount the events of his youth. So to reconcile this anomaly, I'm forced to conclude that he was a ghost right at the beginning.

Of course if Rubin disagrees with my hypothesis, then that's the end of the story and hopefully Toru will get over his grief and move on and be reunited with Midori.

Posted on May 12, 2006, 1:33 AM

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Re: Conclusion

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I do not know anything about ghosts in foreign countries. Ghosts called Yurei or Obake in Japan do not age and remain the ages of thier own ones. The ghost of thirty-seven years old after he died more than ten yares ago and who took seat at the Lufthanza 747 is very strange for me. If he is the ghost, did the stewardess really see him and tell him, "Are you alright?"? I also doubt ghost got sick after listening to the song of Beatles. I wonder why Jay thought your view makes sense.

OSAKABE Yoshio
http://www.geocities.jp/yoshio_osakabe/indexE.html



Posted on May 15, 2006, 1:14 PM

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Re: Conclusion

by nick

he didnt agree. he said he thought it made sense so that he wasn't being rude to simon's idea. rubin said that it broke too many grounds to reality that murakami had created since "the first line". you also went over some of these grounds to reality. i like rubins idea, and the fact that the main character was depressed at the beginning of the book (in his late 30's) shows that he did not work things out with midori, or if he did, they did not last, and the fact that the song made such a strong physical impact on him shows that he could never get over naoko. rubins idea that he chose "death" (naoko) over "life" (midori) flows naturally from the beginning of the book. the whole thing with having sex 4 times just further justifies this view point.

Posted on May 28, 2006, 8:28 AM

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Agreed

by Hoshizora

This sorrow and longing seems to be the central theme of the book. Midori seems to exist to present the sense of "vitality" that Toru cannot and will not ever enjoy. It simply is not befitting of his character to make such a jump. Whereas Naoko seems to be that scar on Toru's heart that can be covered up but never really goes away. I don't know if any of you watch Japanese movies but this situation reminded me of a recently popular movie called: "sekai no chushin de ai wo sakebu", which basically translates as "From the heart of the world, I scream love". The main character is about to get married when he takes a stroll back through memory lane reflecting upon his life and his high school sweetheart with whom he never had true closure. As a result he finds himself tired and pathetic as he looks forward to his marriage while living in his past. Of course, this being a movie, there was closure at the end (something Murakami seems to avoid, which I like). Anyway, Toru's nostalgic yet dismal reminiscing of a past love seems altogether human, as does the way Murakami describes his vision and surroundings toward the end of the book.

Posted on Aug 23, 2006, 7:28 AM

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don't think he commits suicide

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there are a couple of references in the book where it seems like toru didn't commit suicide, the first being where he describes "a dozen years laters" he felt like bursting into years when he realized Hitsumi's (spelling ?) sadness...having read the wind-up chronicle a few months back, where the ending was very confusing. I think Norweign Wood be fitting if it had a nice ending where like a previous mentioned that Toru realizes that he is in the world of love after he calls Midori, which makes sense to why in the beginning of the book they show him that he is now forgeting Noako. Ofcourse there is still the possibility that he is following Noako's love and memories and as the beginning of the book mentions he is slowly forgetting her, because he realizes that she never loved him.
In my opinion this is probably the best book Murakami's I have read so far, even though I have only read three, Kafka on the Shore, Wind-up Bird Chronicle, and Norweign Wood, and now starting on Wild Sheep Chase and Hardboiled-egg....good times...good times..

Posted on May 25, 2006, 4:55 AM

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you know

by george

"good times...good times"

They can't take those away from you!

Posted on May 30, 2006, 1:14 PM

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toru's love, rubin part 2.5

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so in the end did he end up not reuniting with midori, according to jay rubin he seems to say that toru continued to live on with the memories but not with midori, just slightly confused at what happens in the ending, i think the last paragraph is ambigious...discuss!

Posted on May 24, 2006, 8:49 AM

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why I think he is not dead

by ado

I don't think he is dead at the end, I don't think that he has committed suicide and there are, I believe, a number of pieces in the book that support this.
Firstly and most obviously the beginning where he is 37 and on a plane to Hamburg- ok he could be a ghost but then would the air hostess be talking to him?
Secondly and more convincing for me, the references to future occurrences through out the book one which comes to mind is when he receives a letter from his friend Nagasawa about Hatsumi death-
“Two years after Nagasawa left for Germany, she married, and two years after that she slashed her wrists with a razor blade.
It was Nagasawa, of course, who told me what has happened. His letter from Bonn said this: “Hatsumi’s death has extinguished something. This is unbearable sad and painful, even to me.” I ripped his letter to shreds and threw it away, I never wrote to him again.”

There are lots of suicides in this book and it is tempting to include Toru as one but I don’t believe the facts support this in any way.



Posted on Mar 24, 2007, 7:40 PM

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I don't think he's dead

by John

I interpreted what happens at the end of the novel as being that Watanabe's finally fallen in love with Midori, after having been in love with Naoko for so long. As for the "ghosts" surrounding him, and the "place that is no place," it's just that when you're deeply in love with someone and yearning to make that connection, that person becomes the world to you and everything else fades into obscurity.


Posted on May 16, 2006, 1:10 AM

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gonna have to disagree

by nick

i think if murakami wanted to display a feeling of love, he wouldnt have used ghosts, and "this place that is no place" which both have negative connotations. plus, why was toru still so messed up 10 years later if he had fallen in love with midori and gotten over his problems with naoko?

Posted on May 28, 2006, 8:32 AM

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ghosts

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It's free to invent anythings for readers but there is no mention about ghost in "Norwegian Wood". You can pick up negative images in the book. But I cannot find any negative signs from the following very end of the book.
"Again and again, I called out for Midori from the dead center of this place that was no place." by Jay Rubin
"I held onto the line to Midori from there in the middle of nowhere." by Alfred Birnbaum.
Important point is Toru continued to call Midori.

You can read the sentences between the conversations between Toru and Reiko.
"We are alive, she and I. And all we had to think about was continuing to live." by Jay Rubin
"The two of us were living and I had to believe we'd go on living." by Alfred Birnbaum.
I think it' very positive sign.

Nick, you wrote about sex 4 times of Jay's point of view. I may be very slow to realize "4 (shi) => death" but we read "4 times" as "yon-kai" not as "shi(death)-kai" in Japanese. I think Jay also was looking for some negative images there.

"Norwegian Wood" was published in September, 1987. Toru was 37 years old then. It means Toru is the same age with Haruki-san. Average wage in Japan was about 300,000 Yen and 1 US$ was more than 150 Yen. "Germany again." Toru travelled to Germany more than twice, arriving at Hamburg not Frankfurt. Trips to Europe were beyond our dream at that time. He must be very successful businessman, musician or something.

OSAKABE Yoshio
http://www.geocities.jp/yoshio_osakabe/indexE.html


Posted on May 29, 2006, 1:35 AM

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Re: gonna have to disagree

by John

Well, apparently both you and I were mistaken in that the word "ghosts" didn't appear at all. As for "this place that is no place", yeah, I can see it possibly being interpreted as having a negative connotation. On the other hand, in my message above I gave an alternative interpretation that was not negative. As for why he felt messed up on his flight to Germany many years later, I would say that first of all, he's still alive many years later, whereas his childhood friends are not. And second, I didn't get the impression that he felt this way all the time; it seemed like a transient feeling for Naoko, like some people get back pain only on rainy days.


Posted on May 30, 2006, 1:26 AM

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John, I agree with you.

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It was not Toru's firtst trip to Germany but maybe he was sufferd by his bad condition and the music of "Norwegian Wood" at this flight. He suddenly remebered old time then. It's not strange such a thing happens forgetting many things for 18 years.

"Hotaru (Firefly)" published in 1983 is almost the first half of "Norwegian Wood". It's possible to say the firefly is the ghost of Naoko depending on the readers' point of view. The part of Midori is rather its sequel. The two parts of the book or Naoko and Midori are two things to be compared.

Readers can select one of them or others.
(1) Toru selected and loved Midori and forgot (hoped to forget) Naoko.
(2) Toru still could not forget Naoko after selecting Midori.
Personally I think possibly (1) is right even though I like also (2) because it's complicated and mysterious. However I cannot agree on the opnion that Toru became ghost. it dosen't make any sense.

Posted on May 30, 2006, 2:53 AM

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Field and No Place

by John

I finally have the book handy and I re-read some parts. Watanabe calls Midori from "the place that is no place" at the end of the novel. I think it is clearly meant to contrast with the scene at the beginning of the novel where Naoko and Watanabe are walking through a sunny field by themselves. Watanabe explicitly states that he remembers the scene quite well except for the people: himself and Naoko. So here he senses all "background" (grass, sky), but no "foreground" (himself, Naoko). But in the phone call scene he senses foreground (himself, Midori) but no background (we don't know where he is).

Murakami just gives the contrast without explaining it. If he did explain, well, then that would be its meaning. But since he didn't, I guess the contrast could mean different things. For me, I guess that it means that he did fall in love with Midori, and he fell out of love with Naoko. Or maybe more accurately, he suppressed his memories of Naoko in order to survive until the natural human process of forgetting took over.


Posted on Jun 4, 2006, 12:46 AM

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Who is "Noboru Watanabe"?...

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Hi there! I'm sure everyone here loves Murakami's books as much as I do! The first book I read of his was "A Wild Sheep Chase" and since then I've been hooked!!

One thing that I hope someone out there can help me answer is.... Who is Noboru Watanabe?

I know he has made appearances in a few of Murakami's works, and was wondering, is this character a real person that Murakami knows or encountered? Why does he always appear in his stories as such an unlikeable character?

I tried to do a search and see if I found any articles but no luck! So here I bring it to the forum..any ideas?

Posted on May 8, 2006, 12:49 AM

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I believe

by hayden fry

he is an artist friend of Haruki's and was included in stories as a kind of in-joke.

Posted on May 8, 2006, 5:15 AM

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ANZAI Mizumaru

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Yes, WATANABE Toru is ANZAI Mizumaru's real name. He illustrated for many works of MURAKAMi Haruki. They sometimes wrote essays together.

Posted on May 8, 2006, 10:05 AM

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WOOHOOO!!

by peanuts

Thanks for clearing that up for me! For a while I thought maybe Watanabe used to bully Murakami in school and this was his way of getting his own back..hahaa!! How wrong was I?!

Thanks again to replying to my query!

Posted on May 8, 2006, 1:47 PM

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