OK you JTD mappers, what's happened to your fuel economy since the remap? Want to get the Alfa mapped but as it's my daily hack for work I do need to take economy into account. Besides, if I want to have some "ragging it" fun I can get Shabash! out.

So, is it just the bhp and torque gains or does mpg improve too?

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Well thats not an easy question to answer!

The main reason is because everytime in 2 1/2 years I filled the tank up to see how many miles I could get, I'd be doing great and then I'd find summit to play with and then fuel ecconomy would go out the window.


The simple answer is, if you drive the car the same as you do now, with the same about of acceleration, then the MPG will be identicle.


If you boot it and start driving like every stop/ start is a run down santapod then the MPG will drop!


The simple answer is I dunno... I bought the car on a Saturday & wnet to see Nige on the Monday for a re-map and a new Maff.


If i drove like a saint 80% of the time i'd get 550miles to a tank, if I drove like a saint 20% of the time I'd get 500miles..... but I'm no saint anyhow



Just get it done...... would you ever un-map Shabash now she's been uncaged?


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To be honest the performance was pretty much unchanged on Shabash!, just a bit smoother through the revs so it's only the mpg that counts.



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Pretty much as Tommy says, you'll only get a drop in MPG if you boot it - or you do what I did and went for a stupid high remap

Still, it's well worth it, you definitely get more smiles per mile!!

my punto 1.9jtd''s mpg went up on a run, down when ragging it.

that was with red dot remap would highly recommend them, dont go to angel tuning etc which just load on any old map, best get it done by someone who will run it, tweek it and map again etc.

this is ravo_hgt btw.

well ravo, yet again your wrong, so very very very wrong!


My 1st re-map was a red dot re-map and I will try and Find the rolling road reading... but after 6 runs not 1 power curve was the same!


It was seriously unpredictable when and were it would boost (2200-2500rpm) ok not a huge problem unless your overtaking and need to do it quickly!


So I range nige and he asked me to leave it with him for a month while he used my ECU reading to develope a better map.


Well Angel Tuning's map was only 132bhp compaired to the 154bhp of Red Dot's but oh boy I'd choose the Angel Tuning map every day!!!


After 4 runs on a rolling road they were all the same and driving the bravo was an absolute joy!


The other bonus was people following me didn't end up with soot marks..... unless i really tried (sorry Oz & Andy)




So to conclude - Angel Tuning is the only company I would reccommend for remaps & not fill you with bullsh!t to make them sound better!


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I have the same engine as you (practically the same car).

Mine was the 170bhp version to begin with and I usually averaged (on the trip) 37mpg, which, doesn't mean much to me as I do very little mileage and so put £20 a time in (£25 if I'm feeling flush lol). In standard form I'd get around 160 miles to my £20.

Now it's been re-mapped (red dot) the trip is saying over 40mpg. Which is bollox!! It looks like I'll be getting around 140-150 miles to my £20.

However, I have a really agressive map. Originally it was 216bhp/354lb-ft but it was giving off to much smoke under full throttle so I had augusto slightly de-tune it so the smoke isn't as bad. I didn't put it back on the rollers but he reckons the power won't be changed much it's just not quite as agressive which seems about right.

I guess if I was to take it easy the mpg would be about the same, possibly more?? But the power is just to addictive!!!

If your worried about warranty then Mangoletsi in Knutsford do a couple of products that maintain warranty.

Something like £500 compared to £300 though.

I test drove the Mango's '200bhp/300ft-lb' GT and wasn't impressed tbh, not for that kind of money. However, when I put my GT on the rollers at red dot it was running 176bhp/275lb-ft which is probably why I couldn't notice the 'huge difference' a lot of people seem to experience with this particualr product.

Haven't had it done yet, but reading around I would go angel tuning anyday!

Apparently if you ask for better fuel economy they can cater for that. Might only increase the bhp on a jtd by 30bhp though.

The way I see it is if you have more torque and bhp then you will use more fuel when you put your foot down

BUT

If you take it steady your mpg should go up due to more power being available more of the time, thus not having to change gear so much and the engine only burning the fuel it needs (not over fueling).

my 2.4jtd (130) currently brings back 47mpg when taking it steady (on a run its a bit more) but if I am doing my daily commute overtaking on all the ring roads then I am getting 30mpg.

If you want more power then get the angel remap and then just drive it steady to keep the mpg in check.

All about driving style chap

'well ravo, yet again your wrong, so very very very wrong'

well maybe in your opinion but red dot got my punto from 74bhp to 128bhp, for the cost of £200 with several map tweeks after a few weeks and about 10 rolling road runs.

angel tuning will just put on a map and that is all.

go read about angel tuning on fiat forum there is alot of negative feedback on them.

"my 2.4jtd (130) currently brings back 47mpg when taking it steady (on a run its a bit more) but if I am doing my daily commute overtaking on all the ring roads then I am getting 30mpg"

How?!?! I've never had more than 36mpg from my 2.4 (and that was a drive from Glasgow to Oxford-area) lol

It's a good thing I've got a 70L tank

my 2.4jtd weekend only has a 60L tank on it.....

but I can assure you, when taking it steady I am getting 45-50mpg.

Drove 230 miles to my nans and used just under 20 liters! this was doing 65 on the motorways.

Last time I filled the car I got 590 miles until the light came on but this wasn't going too steady as on my way to work I have loads of dual carriageways where I can overtake.

this is a thread about the benefits of re-mapping anyway, and I think it is a good idea as it is done live, with your driving style on the roads, not ragged on a rolling road for top performance with less resistance.

Never heard a complaint against angel tuning and they are always happy to help if you give them a call.

grrr... gotta re-type the reply.



Well I think it's all down to personal experiences and what you have found.

My 1st map was over 150bhp red dot remap and i found it far too aggressive and not predictable - but it was super quick!

The Angel remap was just over 130bhp but far better for everyday use & still did 0-60 times the same as the HGT.


The only thing I can confidently say - I doubt with the red dot remap I could have managed nearly 50,000 miles on the original clutch, with it finally having to be changed at 100,000miles by the next owner.... who had incresed the bhp from when I sold it.


Which ever company you choice the 1 important thing that comes through, get a rolling road test befor and after just to ensure the map is working as it should.





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The only thing a different map changes is the fuelling and with engines with electronically controlled wastegate the boost pressure. Can depend on the map aswell. My jtd 105 averaged the same mpg when driven easily but it decreased when driven hard.

in my jtd 100 angel tuned i get 44 round the town (mix of booting it and taking it easy. On a motorway taking it (reasonably) easy i get about 47 mpg.

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Sorry to threadjack a tad, but have you spoken to Nige recently Oz? I was thinking of getting the spaniard fettled but wanted to know his thoughts on what the best way to go with the VW V5 was...

Suppose I could email him eh?

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Not really sure what I was getting before the map, but right after the remap with Angel tuning I had a full service, 4 new tyres and a new clutch done. I then drove down to Italy, air con on, boot full of camping gear and on one tank I got up to 610 miles and the light still didnt come on, but I sh*t out and filled it up.

I also got it up to 130mph on the autobahns before sh*tting out again there. That was only the speedo read out though, I dont know what that would be in real money.

Typical use (10-15mins to the office) I get 450 - 500 miles until the fuel light comes on.

Is it a 45 litre tank on a Y reg JTD? I'm guessing that would mean 60-62mpg on a run and 45ish about town?

i would be intrested in a group buy on the maps, could get the c4 done

stephend

I didn't think remaps affects top speed, is that not more to do with the gear set-up?

Got some news: Smokey may be coming out of retirement very soon

Gonna be working in Scouseland at least until New Year and would much prefer boot a car up the M74 every week rather than bore myself on the train. Get back to Glasgow for Friday beers

All I need to do I trailer it to a garage, MOT it, tax it, insure it, fit new headlights & fuel heater and get it an oil change lol

BTW, do the check the fuel during MOT's?
Apparently my daft cousin has filled it with red diesel (I presume he's been driving around the yard).

dont check the fuel at all on mot.

im pretty sure remaps do affect top speed, its a long time but from what i can remember my punto jtd did about 110 standard and after remap it went straight off the clock 130 i think and kept going.

but this was ages ago and can only vaguely remember

The remap on my jtd105 did'nt effect the normal top speed of 118mph. It pulled strongly up to that speed and then would'nt go any faster. So I reckon it was limited.
However a remapped jtd 100 ive driven pulled strongly all the way to 130mph and still had more left. So I suppose a remap does affect top speed because it gives the engine the extra power to overcome drag which was limiting the standard engine which could theoretically do 130mph if it had the power. The gearing never changed.

You may also find that the rev limiter will be removed during a remap, allowing the rev's to go just that little bit higher

I don't think a re-map will dramatically change the top speed as the gearing stops you. However, it should add some due to the fact it will be giving out more power higher up the revs.

I think lol.

Another interested in a group buy here!

My bravo 100jtd got an Angel tune map 175bhp some years ago although was 155bhp on the rollers. It was rapid when I needed it to be. 4th gear acceleration from 40-45 all the way up to 80-85mph was awesome. It had a new uprated clutch as well. Fuel consumption was marginally better. The engine sounded and revved a lot more freely. Generally I got 51-53 mpg, 58 mpg was the best and 47.4mpg the worst. HTH. Pete.

well the top speed on my 155bhp 105JTD was about 134mph... it wasn't pulling full revs and I think if the road was longer I might have got to 140... maybe!!


When it went down to 135bhp top speed was 124mph.



More BHP= higher top speed

More Torque= higher acceleration




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I'm bored with my re-map now, bored with the diesel actually.

The short powerband is annoying me now. It's quick don't get me wrong, but when pushing hard down twisties you quickly run out of revs when pulling out of corners.

The top speed hasn't changed much on mine tbh. Infact, I haven't had the chance to see what it can do flat out for a long period of time. It's quick to 120mph then pulls a little slower to 130mph then dies a death. It will probably do 140mph(ish) but nothing more thanks to gearing. It would do 135mph all day long before the re-map anyway.

Disclaimer.

I don't condone travelling at these sort of speeds on a public road nor would I advise others to attempt to do so.

Just driven fully laden to south of spain from midlends, Angel did the remap and i fitted a new maf, it runs rough midrange,( feels like its misfiring) but great when driven gently, which I have been doing, or accelerating hard.
filled up 3 times
1st tank mpg 47.6
2nd tank mpg 50.1
3rd tank mpg 54.2
mainly motorways going about 80 crept to 90 sometimes

@MG, you want a 2.4

Driving Scotty's 1.9 was a totally different experience than my 2.4 ... it just eats up the revs so quick. Just seemed a lot more to play with in my car.

Possibly, although all the new 2.4's have the daft DPF.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a petrol turbo, although it all depends on how my new venture and investments go lol.

Or get a golf with a DSG gearbox..... you never have to change gear and it just feels like you have a never ending gear with power along the rev range!!



Untill you get to about 120mph and it jsut stops accelerating in 6th..... Think it needs a re-mapp cos them VW people dont' like you driving fast!



Oh and the only other down side to the DSG is... well it's the roads... round abouts... it doesn't like going from 6th to 2nd quickly, so you have to remember to knock it down on the paddle shift as you enter and go round, so your in the right gear on exit.. or you loose a good second while it sorts out the gears.


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So basically, buy a VW with DSG if you don't to want enjoy yourself. I'll stick with manual.

Well said Matt.

Flappy paddles don't interest me. Great on paper with it's rapid gear change but in reality, a competent driver with a manual aint that much slower in the real world.

You can't beat a manual for driving pleasure IMO. There's always a chance your gonna knacker the change up which only adds to the experience.

I have heard of a few people having proplems with the DSG too, being replaced after 20kish miles IIRC. All good if you've got warranty but if it's out . . .

well I would have agreed with you before I drove the golf hard with the DSG.


Ok you can't go from 6th to 3rd in 1 shift BUT you learn to drive.


Just driven about 250miles this evening on all types of roads and it's a joy no having to worry about whch gear I should be in or if you suddenly need to stop or go for it you can concentrate on where to steer rather than which gear is best for that split second decision!



Anyways, it's something that unless you have driven a DSG car you will not understand, plus you can't compaire it to an auto as it's different.


Oh and it's NOTHING like the fiat auto.... thats so bad it's funny!!!!!!





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the c4 has the flappy paddles, i must say they can be fun when pushing along! i tend to use the flaps more often then just auto, auto is great for around citys etc, just put your foot down and go!!

any way are we any closer to a group map discount?

stephend



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"any way are we any closer to a group map discount?"
+1

A group map discount? Where? When?

All those posting insane increased top speeds for the old Bravo after remap are nutz. If your car's gearing remains unchanged your engine must be pulling something like 6,500-7,000 rpm ....... in a diesel. Yeah right...... The limiter comes in just under 5k.

No, you would get a gain on top speed.. not much tho

When you get a re-map the limiter is removed/changed so it will rev higher...

Well I was serously slated, and after that bloke was prossicuted for posting a vid of him doing over 100mph on the net I removed it.... but I had proof of the JTD, standard but with remap on 15" HLX alloys (the 18's slowed it down loads) doing 136mph.


Even kate can back me up that it did 132mph on the 136bhp remap....


it's not big nor clever doing those kinds of speeds.... but a re-map does let the bravo acheive those kind of speeds!





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