To all you decent and good people of the Nations Capital, the honest and rait man that is LOANI HENAO is the right way to vote if we want an NCDC being run where the interests of our people are the FIRST priority.
Bill Skate and Taku have wasted the last year and a bit on pointless court battles which have had the outcome satisfying only their ego's and achieving nothing else.
Furthermore, as Henao is running as an independent and not as a crony of some political party, it seems to me to be an enormous gesture of his independent mind and attitude in the way he'll get the job done.
Land mobilisation really isnt that hard to understand!
March 23 2002, 11:55 AM
Wantok, if only people like you had any brains you would have fathomed the simple fact that land mobilisation is NOT the project of the World Bank or the IMF blah blah blah. If you care about YOUR customary land, you would agree with Henao's proposal which has been so widely accepted in many rural areas of the country. Note well, that these are area's were Papua New Guinean's who face the real customary land issues are in total and full support of the bill. Go figure!
We do not view land as a productive factor. If land is registered it will by all means end up in possession of a third party along the transacton. We do not want exploitation. We desire communal as is our way of life in PNG. Henao is not acting in the interest of Papua New Guineans. He is working for his bread and butter. Em wokim consultancy ya bilong wokim moni lo maus bilong em. yu tok...
The only thing which you were correct about is the fact that the land is communal. Mr Henao's proposal seeks to ensure that that very facet of Papua New Guinea remains for all time. If you care to read about the proposal, you and other Papua New Guineans will come to realise that no where in the proposal does it allow for land to become alienated or fall into the hands of third parties, which if Im correct was you're concern.
In terms of bread and butter, if the man does what he does well, why should he not get rewarded for it?
Please explain further Henao's proposal. Because what I understand from his presentation, he is arguing for compulsory land registration so that customary land can be used as capital, or more precisely, as collateral for bank security. This means, based upon the lack of commercial sophistication of our landowners, that it is likely to be lost. Is this what Henao is proposing? If so, he's not getting my vote.
Wantok, here is my response to the queries which you raised.
COMPULSORY OR VOLUNTARY?
Land Registration under THIS proposal is VOLUNTARY. Hence, it is not compulsory and no government or outside body that isnt the customary landowners will be able to make it so. That just is not on. (Note that the government already has powers which relate to Compulsory Land Aquisition but that has nothing to do with this proposal).
WILL THE BANK TAKE THE LAND?
Under current Papua New Guinean laws, if a person/group wants to get a loan from the bank for projects or other (possibly development) purposes, he/she/they have to mortgage their customary land. It is in this present situation and climate that Papua New Guineans run the risk of loosing their customary land.
Whereas under Loani Henao's proposal, Banks will not be allowed to take the LAND which has been used to get a loan, if loan payment has been defaulted on. They will however, be allowed to take the BUSINESS which has been established on that land and bring in a third party to run it until the loan is paid off. Landowners will, of course, be entitled to some form of land rent. Im not too sure of those particular details.
Wantok, remember that we are all Papua New Guineans working for a more just and fair, not to mention and truely Melanesian use of our customary land.
No one in their right mind wants to loose their land! I sure as hell dont, but the current land laws are not suitable for the future development and growth of the country. They simply dont provide enough security for the customary group as they've been transplanted from Australia and the UK to PNG.
Yu toktok tumas long ol Haus Moni long kam kisim giraun blah blah blah...
That is the problem! Under the current legislation which pertain to land in our country, the banks have every right to take away our land if the debts arent paid back. That means, as Im sure you'd be aware, we loose our land and all the customary characteristics which go along with it.
The Business Groups Incorporation Act which you mentioned does not provide security enough for traditional landowners who want to themselves take out a loan in order to start a project on their land. You'd have to already have start up capital, na ol peles manmeri bai kisim moni we?
The main issue which "educated" people like you need to fathom here is that the World Bank etc has NOTHING at all to do with this proposal.
Quit raising such baseless accusations coz basically you're scaring yourself and others who really dont need to be confused. Harim tok and base your criticism's and/or comments on that and not what YOU think is going on.
Under previous/current legislation, the banks have the right to move in once the landowners fail to make payments on the outstanding loan. From what I understand, Mr Henao's proposal seeks to make sure that in the situation where the landowners fail to make such payments, the Banks will have no recourse to take the land (so as to ensure customary land stays with its customary landowners) but they will however, have recourse to taking the business entity which happens to be on the customary land and bringing in a third party to run it. That third party will be expected to make payments on land rent to the customary landowners whilst they're on the land.
From what I gather, traditional landowners wont loose their land if they CHOOSE to register their customary land (and they wont have to register ALL of it) if they ever opt to take out a loan from the bank.
But wantok, that is no different from a situation where a customary landowner sets up a business on his land. A company may be registered which owns that business, but the land is not included as an asset of the company. Therefore if the company defaults on any loans, then banks have recourse only to the company's assets or the business itself. The situation you are describing occurs when a business is placed in receivership, and the bank steps in to run the business until the loans are paid off - it happens with alot of the plantations in the highlands owned by customary groups.
I still don't see anything that distinguishes Henao's proposals from the existing status quo? Do you? If so, please explain.
It has surprised me to learn that you have excluded the World Bank from the Land Mobalization Program, which Henao is spearheading.
As far as world development concerns, the World Bank (WB)including other financial institutions are at the very heart of land matters. As global institutions with significant reserves of financial strengths, they have the might to exert leverage on societies and their states to accompolish the objecives of their policies. Basically what the World Bank's policy concerns is the facilitation of land from from individuals less productive (our landowners with less technological sophistication) to highly productive and well organised corporations (highly tech sophistication. Obviously with our communal land, one appears to imagine that there is less incentive for investment, which leads to lower productivity.
The WB sees it only rather fitting that with ownership of land in private ownership; together with the bearing of titles and registration, one would have far more incentive to invest. Which as an asset, land bearing all of the following ( hedge against inflation, component of diversification strategies, collateral for security)renders it an attractive factor of production. Now get your thinking cap away from our small commercial banks which only play their part along the transaction. You must understand that PNG is not only enclosed in a subsistance economy but increasingly part of the global economy.
Take note of an important point here; in the face of globalization it appears that large financial institutions/multicorporations are dictating states and the society. Instead of financial institutions and large multi corporations from offshore being accountable to states (PNG etc...), states and societies are being made accountable to large financial institutions and multi million corporations. See for yourself the killings of UPNG students in 2001 June or July whatever, these are broad light clearity of states and society being accountable to financial institutions and corporations. In this instant, our state (PNG) and its people were cruely made accountable to the package of policies imposed by the WB, concerning the privatisation and reform programs.
No learnt individual would deny that the land mobalization being tossed to and fro by Henao as the servant is nothing associated with the WB. Althoug you do not get to see WB officials literally begging our landowners to have their lands registered, they are at the the heart of masterminding this policy directive from the top approach.
Even if land mobalization is being implemented, what new better is it providing in the face of existing workable instruments already in place?? There is the Land Group Incorporation Act which is already operating. Its application has been adopted and applied faily well in other resource sectors such as the mining and forestry sectors. This are instruments that are in place and workable. A study conducted by Fingleton (2000) for FAO emphasis the recognition and workability of the instruments we have and their practical applications with our landowners.
What more new program is that offered by Henao??
Even the Simple question directed by Wantok below banks giving loans without recourse to land as a security has not been adequately defined.
May I request if you could come in again on Henao's land mobalization program and the benefits it offeres compared with the existing instruments in place, ie Land Group incorporation Act. It seems to me is a total waste of time. After all, provinces like East New Britain Province/ East Sepik have lands registered and titled as communals under the existing instrument of the Land Group Incorporation Act. How much better is Henao's Land Mobalization Program compare with with this provisions??
Mate, if you give me your email address Id be more than happy to forward you a copy of an Information Paper which I recieved from Mr Henao's office upon request. They're more than will to assist people like you and me who are obviously and understandably concerned about our land and its future.
Land mobalization will introduce you to globalization. Instead of our state being accountable and responsive to our societies, it is being more lineant to multi million corporations and their allies. Our state has dragged us and our society into being accountable to transnational corporation and large financial institutions. In this scenario where globalization is sucking up the fabrics of our society, let the peoples power rule through their claims for compensation. People like yourselves need to take for granted and be exploited somewhere else, not in PNG.
There is further danger in land mobalization-it will fuel and inflame social tensions.
you're fumbling in your argument. By the way, which textbook did you attempt to quote from? I ask that because you've done a poor job at it.
Globalisation, like in all other countries in the world, has been "introduced" to Papua New Guinea already. It is here to stay and small minds like you, with all your attempts at making sense about the matter, wont change that pure and simple fact!
Fathom this, go back to which ever institution from which you supposedly learned the english language, and start over. This time, dont try to write/talk like an academic, for its quite obvious you arent.
And another thing, you're fears about globalisation have already been realised in Papua New Guinea. If you knew anything about the phenomenon, you wouldve noticed characteristics evident the country over.
Wantok thanks for your comments. I don't think you are that sort I would waste my time to openly discuss issues with. Your comments are to your best fit, neither you nor tom/dick will bend my knees. I have the best and very content. G ' luck
'you're fumbling in your argument. By the way, which textbook did you attempt to quote from? I ask that because you've done a poor job at it'
When I put down my thoughts, I do not need a text book to refer to and I use my self conscious mind to pool various sources of information from different mediums to organize my arguments. In an institution where cross cutting issues at the edge of science and policy are researched and debated, it is not unusual for one to learn and absorb new pieces of information. When I make a point about something, I have the nerve to do so because I know what I am talking about.
'Globalisation, like in all other countries in the world, has been "introduced" to Papua New Guinea already. It is here to stay and small minds like you, with all your attempts at making sense about the matter, wont change that pure and simple fact! '
Globalization has been unleashed in three phases, if you do not know. Put in simple, it is the imposition of ideas and policies of a powerful society ( based on criteria) on a weaker society. The first phase of globalization occured 200 years ago when Western societies (countries) colonized societies within other countries, siezing the land and their resources. The second phase of globalization has been occuring since after 200 years ago when Western ideas have been imposed on many societies throughout the world. When I refer to western ideas, I refer to forms of governance, economical organizations, forms of production and so forth and so on.
It should clarify your thinking that never before did we possess a democratical form of governance, neither were we capitalist oriented and our societie's economys were purely based on traditional/cultural forms of production .
The third and latest form of globalization was unleashed about five years ago, following the General Agreement on 'Trade and Tariff' (GATAT) 1992. In 1993 the influential economic organization namely the WOrld Trade Organization (WTO) was established. It is this institution and the policies it draws on that influences the global economy.
'Fathom this, go back to which ever institution from which you supposedly learned the english language, and start over. This time, dont try to write/talk like an academic, for its quite obvious you arent'
I do not think I am an academic, as far as I am compelled to evaluate my academic standing. As far as my english is concern, I am a learner and I will never stop learning english until death finds me. You should pay closer attention to what I am imparting to you as this would be better for your understanding and your learning. If you are cautious about my english, I am afraid, you are not the best person to commment and someone more of an English nature would be welcome-if I have to make a choice.
The English language is just another foreign language which you and I are both learners. There is also wide variation in the use and practical application of english. It is not surprising for me to find the Oxford Dictionary continiously being updated to reflect the changes and applications of words and phrases. So what are all those nonesense about??
I could even learn France or Japanese and still be able to impart my ideas. I can better still use my pidgin to impart knowledge to Papua New Guineans.
Your narrow mindedness is hidden in its own nutshell and I challenge you to come out of it. With my authority, I command you to come out right now..right now. and grow up.
'And another thing, you're fears about globalisation have already been realised in Papua New Guinea. If you knew anything about the phenomenon, you wouldve noticed characteristics evident the country over'
Absolutely, Globalization has been unleashed in parts of the world including Papua New Guinea in its first and second phases. No debate necessary.The third phase of globalization ( economical and technological..) which I am warning you of is yet to be realized its full impact on our societies.
If you are a Papua New Guinean, you would understand that we are part of three million people whom the World Bank and other agencies have attempted to define as indegeginous people. Purely because we are still strongly acculturated with cultural forms of production and organization. More than 80% of Papua New Guineans are subsistance farmers and their survival is based on the invariably undocumented customairly land we have in PNG.
If you are a thinking Papua New Guinean, you would be smart in your thinking to imagine how dangerous it would be for land to slide away from the hands of indigenous Papua NEw Guineans. As I have said earlier, we do not view land as a form of Capital but as a means of survival. In the face of the third wave of globalization, it is the powerful rich countries and their multimillion corporations that will be dictating the world economy. These are the corporations that have the potential to inflict pain and damage on societies in PNG which are acculturated to their land and resources.
If you are a Papua NEw Gunean I welcome you to put down your thoughts and we can collectively share some thoughts on this issue. Sapos yu acting masta wataim English bilong yu, OK yu rausim dispela shell bilong coconas na came aut putim toktok bilong yu.
What is the whole isssue with the use of the english language?? Can't I not understand and speak english?
Grow up small boy.
I concur absolutely with your discussion of Globalisation. I just hope that Annonymous will learn from it if not he/she must argue a full case on the board for us to see, rather than a few lines of informal English and then he/she jets off......
...and you are! There really was nothing wrong with what you said about Globalisation, or its impact in today's world etc.
My issue was the link between globalisation and voluntary customary land registration?
If you've already mentioned it, I apologise I must have missed it. But kindly re-state your argument on that point.
And another thing, I concur 100% in that we're both forever learning the english language. But note this for next time, using fancy words will not enable you to draw non-existant parallels between two very unrelated issues.
I guess you could say that voluntary customary land registration is related to globalisation in that it seeks to enable landowners to use their land in the modern setting without the risk of loosing it. Where is the bad in that?
When you good people of the NCD go to the polls this year, just remember...LOANI RAVU HENAO.
His reputation as a leading legal advocate and law reformer in Papua New Guinea says it all. Its people like him we need more off and not those uneducated, or over-educated people who just want more money.
Time for a new and fresh start for the NCD and Loani Henao is offering himself for that tough and difficult position.
There you go, its no surprise if big Will gets back into Parliament. He's bought his way in before, and he'll most probably do it again. Its really unfortunate though, coz the country can ill-afford yet another term for the Godfather!