So true...the corruptions/mismanagement in Waigani were the results of corrupt practices and mismangement by Papuans, New Guinea Mainlanders, and Highlanders. NGI is suffering because of all these corruptions/mismanagement.
Let us readdress the proposal initiated by NGI leaders in the early 90's for a Federated Malenesian Republic (FMR).
IT SHOULD GO HEAD
LETS BE FREE FROM THOSE MAINLAD NEW GUINEANS
With the mentality you guys/ladies have,after you set-up you so-called country, you'll than start thinking of futher separating to smaller coutries(once PNG provinces)
Come on! start viewing PNGns as PNGns and not NGI, Papuan, highlander, etc...Increase the PNGn patriotism within yourselves.
Probably than PNG will prosper....
Re: NGI Breakaway
Patriotic?!?...and kill each other?? It does not even make sense to live in such a country. There is a lot of killing spree that the sense of patriotism is no longer there.
Should I be proud of Sepiks promoting Sepiks in Waigani Ofiices and the so-called corrupted practices by the mainlanders?
I would rather break away than remain with the corrupted breeds.
Let us revive 'Federated Melanesian Republic' and get away from the so-called mainlanders and highlanders. They are corrupted breed, killing each other (no respect for human life)...tarnishing the good name of many of us.
Sick of such mentality as
Sepik for Sepiks
Highland for Highlanders
Morobe for Morobeans
Always promoting their own kinds in Government positions. Corrupting the whole system with the wantok system mentality.
Corruption exists everywhere.....not restricted to a certain group/race/etc of people...
Re: NGI breakaway
Corrpution in PNG seems to be the among those mentioned groups and the rest of the innocent population (NGI especially) is suffering.
Enough is enough!
NGI is breaking away and forming the Federated Melanesian Republic (FMR). Whether the rest og PNG likes it or not we are gearing for it.
NGI must definitely break away from PNG. The Islanders have all to prosper than to remain part of a cruel mainland society prone to bribery, corruption, compensation, death by hacking name it all.
Recent ethnic killing lo Gerehu is a cristal clear picture of what's in store for PNG.
Lets push for FMR.
Re: NGI breakaway
GOODLUCK NGI....true that the NGI have like minded guys, breaking away would mean more prosperity!
However, CORRUPTION is everywhere in PNG!
NGI Yumi yet!!
It's long over due
Point Taken, corruption does exist everywhere. In terms of degree of corruption we NGI will most definitely be better off on our own. We are not as violent and pigheaded as a lot of mainlanders. Manus, NIP, ENBP, WNBP and NSP lets breakaway and build a brighter future for our children’s sake!!!
We've let these mainlanders Muck around for long enough!!
PLEASE DONT BEAK AWAY
Pleas dont break away or else there will be no tolai and kavieng girls for me.I love blond girls,they are very pretty and their pidgin acent i katim lewa ya. Breaking away is breaking my heart.NON NGI
Appeal to all NEW GUINEA ISLANDERS
For too long we have been victims of corruptions and mismangement by the mainlanders/highlanders.
Let us push for the FEDERATED MALENESIAN REPUBLIC (FMR) and make it reality.
Awake to freedom all you sons and daughters of NGI
Let us unite and build a new nation
A nation free of corruptions
A nation free of nepotism
A nation free of senseless killings
A nation free of squatting
A nation free from crimes and enthnic violence
A nation with people free to vote
A nation where true democracy will always prevail.
Alas my brothers and sisters..let us push for our freedom.
Our freedom means our own country..the Federated Malenesian Republic.
think twice about breakaway..
NGIs, your points are very much valid and understandable. However, when talking about corruption and other social ills, you seem to set yourselves apart and thereby denying the fact that you and your people and leaders are free of blame and fault. You wanted to break away soley because you just cannot bear to associate yourselves with the current problems bedeviling our country right now. You think you are better off on your own. You think you have the best brains, experience and wisdom in governing and administration - which cannot be denied.
BUt you know why you are so timid and humble the way you are? You forgot to mention that colonizers and missionaries were on your land for more than one hundred years, during which time they brainwashed your people and indoctrinated them to be submissive and obedient. In a way the indoctrination process was complete and your society was forced to adopt a new structure that was based in rationality and consensus. Even today as it was before, order was strictly maintained and observed and that was the sole reason why social reproduction and smooth transition was able to take place without much hurdles and conflicts in the NGI regions.
You have to understand that PNG's last frontier - the Highlands - were never colonized and so they did not go through the same process like you. Other regions like Papua and Mamose were colonized and christianized but because of their land size, outside influence was restricted only in a few areas while the rest of their hinterland never experienced colonization and missionary influences.
NGIs should not feel animosity and resentment, but they should be proud that they are the elite of modern PNG. That should be a special pride that should keep you wise and prudent. You have to come to terms with dealing with the rest of PNG mentalities and psychologies like the highlands and Mamose. Ol tu ol man ya...so there is both good and bad in each and every one of us. We have to work constantly at creating strong dialogue and communication as the first step to understand each other and promote the good that is in all of us.
NGI Must Break Lus
Colonisation should never be used as excuse for our wrongs. Our cultures or some of our cultures are the root causes of many of the social wrongs in our society.
NGI must break away. Our cultures and traditions and the modern transitions we've through are not compatible with the mainland PNG. This is proving to delay our progress to modernisation.
We can progress much faster on our own that being bundle up mainlanders.
Lets break away now for a bright future.
Re: NGI Must Break Lus
Pro FMR, what do you know about modernization and modern transition?! Nobody said that you have been colonized for the wrong reasons.
Oh, so you are saying that there never has been murders, robberies, rape (not to mention incest, of all sex crimes!!) and corruption in any of the NGI regions, that NGI is the most perfect place on Earth??!!
Tell me something better and tell me something I don't know yet!!
Re: NGI Must Break Lus
Hey Compatriot, there is enough reasons to justify the break away. Read the previous posting on this topic and you'll know why we intend to break 'lus'.
We cannot live in a society where criminals freely roam the street to terrorise us, rape our wives and daughters at will, and even kill at will. There is no sense of patriotism in living in PNG. How can I be patriotic when criminals are free to operate at will and politicians issuing guns to supporters terrorising people and hijacking democracy at will even, nepotism and white collar crimes are rampant. There is nothing to take pride in.
NG Islnaders, let us push for our freedom.
"We cannot live in a society where criminals freely roam the street to terrorise us, rape our wives and daughters at will, and even kill at will"
As if this does not exist in NGI.......
Criminal in NGI??
Criminals in NGI are 90% Mainlanders, Sepiks, Chimbus, you name it. NG Islanders are peaceful people. Do a head count in the jails and you will know the reality. Try doing it in the the jails throughout the country. You will be shocked that the murderers and rapists are mostly mainlanders.
Re: Criminal in NGI??
If that's the case then why is it that 90% of all the incest cases in PNG involve Tolais?
Re: Criminal in NGI??
Incest is immoral....but it is done with the consent of both parties unlike rape which is done against the consent of the female who usually becomes victim of packed rape (70 men raping a woman the latest on the news which has branded PNG as a breeding ground for rapists in the world and an unsafe place to bring up families). Disgusting isn't it?
Lets push the for the breakaway vicariously. Silly reasoning as mentioned should not in any way side track the push for freedom for our future.
Lets break away and not be path of the total anarchy that is about unfolding, believe it or not.
NGI Break Away
NGI break away is now imminent!!!
2007 is the last election for NGI as part of PNG. The following election (2012) NG Islanders will be voting for an interim president who will be responsible for the transition to form a new country, currency, and constitutions. Come 2017, a new nation will be borned the 'Federated Malenseian Republic.' The capital city of the 'Federated Malenseian Republic' will be Kokopo.
Keep a look out for more details on this board.
Re: NGI Break Away
July 5 2003, 8:56 AM
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world only to lose his soul?" - Christ
There is nothing to gain from a breakaway. Men's hearts are, by nature, evil and aggressive.
"Man is born free and yet he is in chains" - Rousseau
The politics of satisfying everybody at the same time will never be gone if there is a breakaway. Sapos ol Tolai holim power, the Manus will not feel comfortable; if the Bougainvilleans are in power, the New Irelanders will not like it. The vicious cirle is always there. There will always be differences and resentment. You mark my words!
Re: NGI Break Away
July 5 2003, 11:35 AM
Would you rather remain poor and subject to the wimps of the oppresors?
Would you remain in your house if it was going under water or swim for safety?
God gave you the will power to make a decision in life.
NGI cannot remain in a sinking ship but has to swim for safety.
We are breaking away.
July 9 2003, 9:45 PM
We need to break away!!
Re: Inap nau
July 9 2003, 10:12 PM
Let's be known and to be referred to as Bismarck Islands. Lus ting lo NGI. Yu wok tok lo bruk lus na yusim na attachim Nem Niugini yet.
Re: Re: Inap nau
July 9 2003, 11:53 PM
Who is stopping u from breaking away!! Go ahead and do it and stop annoying people on the net.
Freedom of expression
July 10 2003, 11:13 AM
What's stopping us? Then why wasn't NSP allowed to break away.
Re: Freedom of expression
July 10 2003, 1:24 PM
They've broken away already!!! Haven't they!!
From today's National
Another reason to break away!!
July 16 2003, 11:57 PM
You guys are crazy!!! How can you do this to another human being. We do not want to be part of your godforsaken country anymore!!!!
Gang chops up four
Man’s loses arms, legs and ears
A MAN was axed to death and three others badly injured in the Simbu province in sorcery-related violence over the weekend.
Police say the four were accused by their attackers of using sorcery to cause the death of a senior government official last month.
A 35-year-old man was axed to death, while three others had their limbs cut by a group of men avenging the death of their tribesman.
One of victim, aged 60, had both his ears, arms and legs chopped off. He was about to be buried alive, a treatment often dished out to alleged sorcerors, when police arrived and rushed him to hospital.
Two women were also attacked - one losing a leg, while the other sustaining a deep axe wound to the head. The incident occurred at Ku village about five kilometres east of Kundiawa town, in the Sinasina-Yongomul district.
The alleged sorcerors also had their houses and properties destroyed.
Police say they have not made any arrests in relation to these attacks as those allegedly responsible have fled or gone into hiding.
GIVE UP - WASTING YOUR TIME
July 31 2003, 1:28 PM
Give up guys and stopping wasting your time.
July 31 2003, 6:59 PM
stop looking for excuses and reasons to make your dreams come true.
wasting your time and don't dream about it.
it is only a fairytale, guys
get back to work now.............
Re: Freedom of expression
August 7 2003, 10:24 AM
NSP WASN'T ALLOWED TO BREAK AWAY?......ISN'T IT ON IT'S WAY TO DOING JUST THAT?
Re: Freedom of expression
August 7 2003, 10:27 AM
NSP WASN'T ALLOWED TO BREAK AWAY?....ISN'T IT ON IT'S WAY TO DOING THAT?
Re: Re: NGI Break Away
August 28 2003, 7:50 AM
Noken mentionim name blo Bougainville insaid lo displa thread in your moves for a Federated Melanesian Republic. The Leaders and people of Bougainville have enough on their hands to deal with at this bloody pint in time.
Olsem toksave tasol nogut sampla lain kisim hevi na bel kaskas nating
Re: Re: Re: NGI Break Away
August 28 2003, 8:00 AM
I think it is most important for each individual to attempt a break-away from the various ills of society before proceeding on to attempt a break-away into smaller autonomously governed states.
Plus I think I like the name "Bismarck Islands". However the name would only apply to Islands in the vicinity of the Bismarck Sea (i.e. New Ireland, New Britain, Los Negros and the atolls). Bougainville and its atolls lie on the Solomon Sea.
By saying this I am simply stating that there are all sorts of issues that need to be dealt with in the proccess of breaking away.
Olsem liklik tintin satol.
ANY OTHER TOPICS
August 5 2003, 8:14 PM
Whoever that keeps posting the NGI breakaway **** should shove it up his/her ass. Sick of seeing the same **** circulating from site to site. viewers have had their say. Stop dreaming and wake up to reality that NGI is in and part of PNG
August 10 2003, 10:07 PM
Re: NGI Breakaway
August 11 2003, 12:45 AM
Yes, NGI must break away..its now or never
Re: Re: NGI Breakaway
August 11 2003, 1:04 PM
Sorry tru....may be a thousand years later. See ya then.
August 22 2003, 9:50 AM
BREAKAWAY GO WHERE! YU ALL ARE NOT LESS THAN RAPISTS, ROBBERS AND SCAVANGERS!
August 23 2003, 11:39 AM
No society is free of any problems, social, political, eonomic etc.. As PNGeans we all must strive to solve these issues. breaking away is not the answer. Amongst you are corrupt people, murders, rapists, worst INCEST cases anywhere in the world.. corruption is everywhere for as long as mens hearts are evil.
Get on with your lifes, PNGeans
Re: Re: SPOILTS!
September 12 2003, 6:25 PM
Kaikai kio na stap......we are breaking away whether you like it or not. harim huh!!
NGI PROUD PNGEAN
Indo should attack PNG...
September 16 2003, 4:20 PM
Indonesia or any other country should attack PNG! I say this because it will unify us as one to fight against them. People will think as PNGeans and not as one NGI person, highlands person, central person...or whatever it may be. Just like the 9/11 attack united the US closer, an attack on PNG is probably the only solution to peoples segregated views UNLESS it is stopped NOW! It is definitely not the time to have PNG split with the state of PNG's economy deteriorating every day. Wake up Papua New Guineans and come together as one people, one nation, one family!
Inmate Long Bay Jail
Merits of remaining united
September 17 2003, 4:55 PM
Merits of Remaining United – A biased but rational View without the emotions
I have recently stumbled onto this post and wish to add my two cents worth. It appears to my lamebrain that there are basically four separate issues: the extent of crime, corruption and the blame game, the economic and political feasibility of micro –states in a globalised community, the alternatives if any, what role if any for the ordinary citizens. Let me preface these comments by sharing with the readers my own personal and private feelings. In the remote recesses of my being, I have often felt embarrassed at my ethnicity and have wished, on many occasions I was a citizen of another country and if I could, I would wish that certain parts of the country blow up into atmospheric gas or disappear into the wide blue Pacific. But I can never change that, and love it or loathe it, I will always be a Papua New Guinean. I am stuck with who I am and where I am from.
2. Crime and Corruption- who is to blame?
It is so easy to shift blame and think one is better than the other, or hold somebody else responsible for that despicable act. At least it removes personal and collective culpability from oneself and places it on others/someone or something else. However it is a universal human trait not to do that which one knows is right. Whether it is stealing a few kina from the provincial government treasury or having carnal knowledge of ones daughter, every one is quite capable of committing, not necessarily these crimes but any from the long list of others appearing in these post and more. From our Prime Minister to our most honourable simple grass root villager, we all have our weaknesses and blind spots, which could overtake us in our unguarded moments and plunge us into shame and perhaps even prison. No particular region or peoples have a monopoly on murder, stealing, sex crimes etc. The only reason why we think we are better than the next person is because we have never been given the opportunity, but if we have, and have taken it, then we have never been caught. Granted, some particularly vicious or shameful crimes seems unique to certain people or people groups, but, that’s because in our socialisation certain behaviour and attitudes might have been emphasised which markedly predisposed us towards that conduct. In short there are no angels in PNG. If there were, we would certainly be Paradise on earth.
Hopefully this will dispel the myth that certain places are paradise and certain peoples are saints, even angels.
Microstates – how economically, politically and socially feasible are they?
Those romantic notions about breaking away remain just that- romantic, because these notions do not bear up against global trends.
It is ironic that groups within PNG are advocating breakaway and independence and formation of micro - states given that the global trend is in the opposite direction - BIG. The EU has gelled with Estonia being the newest member and Turkey is fighting to get in. Then you have the Americas and the NAFTA (North American Free Trade Association), the APEC (Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation) ASEAN (Association of South East Asian Nations), ARAB LEAGUE etc. Recently we heard of the South Pacific grouping with OZ, NZ and the other Pacific states with a common currency the Australian dollar being mooted by no less a person than a member of the European Parliament in Brussels. Why are these large trading blocks being formed, you may ask. Because it makes good economic and political sense – increased market size due to increased population resulting from these merged entities, greater business opportunities for regional based firms resulting in greater wealth creation and job opportunities, larger political clout in an increasingly globalised community and perhaps more importantly, security. A larger entity stands less risks of being bullied or taken over by an aggressor country. Notice how US was opposed by dominant members of the EU (France and Germany) recently regarding war over Iraq. So trade barriers are coming down and a free flow of goods and services across traditional borders are happening seamlessly. In the end the citizens benefit, because a variety of goods and services are sold at very competitive prices. That’s the world of the “BIG LEAGUE”. Papua New Guinea is a small fry! I would like to think that the PNG delegation to the WTO recently went there merely as spectators rather than active “movers and shakers” which we will continue to be on the world stage. As for those advocating independence of some portions of PNG from the rest, you stand to condemn not just your little island paradise but what’s left of these great country forever to the outer reaches of political and economic grandstands in the increasingly globalised village.
As well as economic and political, the social benefits are enormous. America is a veritable multicultural melting pot, and because it deliberately encouraged multiculturalism, it has been able to harness the best that these varied cultures brought to it’s shores and now it is a leader in virtually every field of human endeavour. There has been cross fertilisation of ideas and the result is a vibrant, dynamic nation, building on the strength of its diversity. Australia is not far behind. Just watch the sports pages and you can see how this policy has spilled over and benefited these countries in the sporting arena. There certainly is truth in the old well-worn adage “ strength in diversity”. One of the greatest benefits is that it breeds tolerance, and acceptance of people who are different. Papua New Guinea already has that diversity, but it wont hurt to let others not necessarily native Papua New Guineans into the country to live and be one of us – it will certainly change our insular and introspective views and, maybe, even kick start our languishing economy as well as help us win some medals in sports meets.
3. If not micro-states, than what are the alternatives?
An alternative to what we currently have in PNG, the provincial government system (which I must add has not done us any good) is the federal system like what exist in Australia, the USA and other places. To achieve critical mass for such an exercise we have the country divided up into four larger regions not necessarily the way we see it now ie NGI. MOMASE, HICHLANDS, and SOUTHERN. Each of these grouping is autonomous and self-governing, responsible for making some of it’s own laws and policies, generating it’s own revenues and spending it in it’s own priority areas with little input from the Commonwealth or central Government. The central government is responsible only for matters that affect national interest. The arrangement strikes a good balance between those who want autonomy and a degree of independence, through locally elected authority and, still allow the country to remain united. This sets up a healthy rivalry between states or regions to not only provide appropriate levels of service to its citizens but also attract investment and business. The states of NSW and Victoria in Australia are intensely competitive in wooing business and investment. While Melbourne is viewed as the business capital of Australia because it headquarters offices of large international firms, Sydney sells itself as the most livable city in the world with some of the best and the most attractive harbour views. And I believe Sydney and NSW is winning hands down!
4. What now for Mr. Joe Blow Grassroots and his wife Agnes?
It must have been one of the Kennedy’s who coined this apt phrase “ think not what your country can do for you but what you can do for the country”. Every Papua New Guinean seems nearly choking on despair and cynicism. They have every reason to feel like that. Sceptical of every utterance spewing forth from the politicians we find it hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel or have anything to cheer about. However this attitude breeds paralysis because it is defeatist and denies that individual effort can make any difference. We must continue to have self belief and continue to make a difference where we are for it is a cumulation of each and every small effort, ripples if you like which will become a wave of change. We should wear an ‘incurable optimist’ smile wherever we go and do the little we can with what we have in the hope that it will snowball with the efforts of others and ultimately make a bigger difference in the larger national and international context. We need hope, the boat isn’t sunk yet, it is still floating (even if barely). It is said that only rats jump a sinking boat. Lets stop tearing each other down, harness and build on our difference and commonalities and make a difference. Words are cheap, any body can spew it out. But it takes real courage to act on our conviction, to stand and swim against the current of popular opinion and culture. It just takes one to make a difference. Remember, Lincoln, Churchill, Lee Kwan Yew, Martin Luther King, Ganhdi, Martin Luther, Nelson Mandela – these are examples of a power of one. There must be many others. I leave you to rationally and without emotions consider the above facts. As small states we don’t stand a chance but we can make a difference if we stand united.
Inmate - Long Bay Jail
Proudly Papua New Guinean
Re: Merits of remaining united
September 18 2003, 2:27 PM
This piece sounds very similar to another one I presented on the Kumul forum under the name Mangi Nating entitled Thoughts on Change. It would be quite a coincidence if you came up with these very similar ideas independently. Even the tone of the passage is similar.
Whatever the case, It would be good to continue this discussion under another thread to see exactly how the idea of a federation could be implemented, what the pros and cons are, and what the legal obstacles are to its implementation. I hope that there are other like minded individuals who can also contribute.
Re:Re: Merits of Remaining United
September 19 2003, 12:48 PM
Sorry if my piece sounds as if I lifted (plagiarised) it straight out of the article you contributed to Kumul Development Forum and in so doing ‘steal your thunder’. I have only recently (2 days ago to be exact) started reading postings on these or other forums and in all honesty I have not read yours (but will do so now that I know about it). Having said that, if mine sounds exactly like your posting, than, take heart – great minds think alike. Besides as you rightly point out there must be a number of other like –minded (perhaps more wiser) Papua New Guineans willing to contribute to the debate and continue this thread. Mine was a reaction to those mindless and trivial little postings contributed by people on this board who have little grasp of global issues and trends, and the place of united PNG as an international citizen. I felt the forum had become a contest between the comical and the ridiculous and therefore thought my little contribution could inform the debate and help it too rise above the obvious pettiness. Am happy to exchange ideas with you.
Inmate Long Bay Jail
Gud Wan - Mangi Nating
September 19 2003, 1:16 PM
WelL, well, that was a piece and half you wrote. I had just read your posting and feel humbly honored that you suggested my musings reached the height your posting reached. Yours was a treatise compared to my kindergarden ramblings. Keep it up.
Proudly Papua New Guinean
Re: Gud Wan - Mangi Nating
September 21 2003, 9:52 AM
NGI YUPLA OLGETA KAIKAI KAN BLO TUMBUNA BLO YUPELA. WHY WASTE TIME AND MONEY BLO PNG. PAKIN GO NA BREAK AWAY. WHO CARES ANYWAY.
re: Gud wan - mangi nating
October 7 2003, 12:20 PM
samting you kaikai na yu lukim ples graun ya!!!!you probable came to this world through through some other means olsem na het blo yu i faol liklik....we ngis'are sick and tired of you highlanders and ng mainlanders with your corrupt politics and pig headed bullying...look what provinces are rising back from the ashes and almost 15 years of bloody crisis.....and we gonna go back to our former glory days.....GO NGI...WE CAN DO IT..
A magit di valaria!!!!!
Break Away for all I care!!!
September 22 2003, 4:12 PM
Break Away for all I care!
The smaller the country the better its GDP as it technically has to cater for a smaller population.With the bulk of its existing resources on the main land its not such a bad ploy after-all to have the New Guinea Islands separated from the main land.So go ahead and succede for good riddance.
Bougainville was a waste of time and resources; monetary,manpower and infrastructure.We are sick and tired of you complaining/whinging that you are better off without us so go ahead and break away.You are a waste of time, effort and resources - and that's fair dinkum.Honestly, I can't be bothered; if I were to have it my way you would have had your statehood a long time ago.
Bloody good for nothing whingers!
MainLander - Future PM
September 25 2003, 12:07 PM
Yeah, go ahead! We'll see how you will survive as a nation of your own. Otherwise, it's just another bull**** talk just like the punk from central province who wanted to break away from PNG and be part of australia.