Micheal Somare and his No apology, no ECP talks.April 8 2005 at 11:56 AM
What do you guys think about Micheal Somare and his No apology, no ECP talks.
'THE Government yesterday gave Australia another diplomatic note demanding it apologise to Prime Minister Sir Michael Somare over security checks he was subjected to at Brisbane Airport
The Australian Government-funded $A800 million Enhanced Co-operation Program (ECP) was the first casualty in the war of words between the two governments over the incident. The PNG Government yesterday suspended the first quarterly high level meeting on the ECP between senior officials from both governments scheduled for next week.'
|April 8 2005, 12:06 PM |
I think he is being a cunning snake. When the proposal about the Enhanced Co-operation Program came up he oppossed them as an affront to the soveriegnty of PNG. Now I think he is using this incident as a means to either de railing the talks or getting some more bargaining power in his brinkmanship duel with Australia. It be an absolute shame and he should be shot for this if he lets this de rail the ECP talks just over him not wanting to take his shoes off.
I tell you that this an absolute disgrace. We must look like fools even supporting him while he goes around and makes an arse out of our country to the world.
Comon PNG think seriously about this. In a world of terroism etc. this is not an out of the ordinary request. We are living in a world changed by the scars of sept 11. Please Somare lower your pride...
PM is standing up for PNG
|April 9 2005, 11:42 AM |
The Australian Government was aware of PM's transit and three Australian protocol and security officers were assigned to him upon arrival. The security checks were done by a private security firm despite protests from Australian protocol and security officers. Consequently, PM was checked several times in full view of everyone, despite the protest from Australian officials.
The Chief's point is that the Australian officials protest was appropriate because what the private security firm did was in breach of normal protocol practices relevant to him at that time.
From the way he was treated amidst protests from Australian officials, as head of our country, the Chief was entitled to his suspicion that proper protocol procedures were deliberately ignored so that he, despite his passport showing that he is PM, could be subjected to improper security search. It appeared deliberate. It did not appear to be an honest mistake. He, and any reasonable person, for that matter, was therefore entitled to feel that he was being targetted, most probably by the government of Australia. Consequently, a diplomatic note to Canberra was not improper.
However, Canberra mishandled the diplomatic note. Downer and Howard were insensitive and by Australian standard, arrogant. They were not helpful at all in removing the Chief's suspicion. Their responses only worsened our PM's suspicion that he was being targetted, and for our sake, if the PM can be treated like that, what use is our friendship with Australia. Money can't buy friendship.
Some people say the dispute is about pride. I agree, it's about National Pride. Opinion Polls show that PNGeans are behind the PM because they too were offended. Australians are entitled to enforce their laws but offending someone in the process of enforcement deserves an appropriate response. It would be interesting if Somare seeks compensation in an Australian anti-discrimination tribunal.
I am behind the Chief. I feel that how Australia see usis manifested in the way PM was treated in Bisbane and in how Howard and Downer responded. This is further confirmed by how some people have reacted in pngscape and elsewhere. On behalf of the majority of Papua New Guineans, PM should be allowed to stand up against this arrogant Australian attitude. Our future, to a certain degree, also depends on it.
Re: PM is standing up for PNG
|April 9 2005, 12:58 PM |
quote "It appeared deliberate. It did not appear to be an honest mistake. He, and any reasonable person, for that matter, was therefore entitled to feel that he was being targetted, most probably by the government of Australia. Consequently, a diplomatic note to Canberra was not improper"
quote "The security checks were done by a private security firm despite protests from Australian protocol and security officers".
"It appeared deliberate" ....what does the private security firm say about the matter?
If the search was done by private security and protests came from the Aust. security officers..why do u feel the PM was targetted by the Aust. govt. for what reason would the Aust. govt. target the PM?
Re: PM is standing up for PNG
|April 11 2005, 10:53 AM |
Is this so called compo - for PNG as a nation or for PM. ? askim tasol
Re: PM is standing up for PNG
|April 11 2005, 11:23 AM |
Compo is not the position of the PNG government. All the government is saying is that this "spat" that was knowingly put on the "FACE" of PNG (Somare) MUST be apologized.
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Disgracefully disgusting indeed!
|April 11 2005, 1:29 PM |
Disgracefully disgusting indeed!
SO we are one of those countries on terror alert or the so-called "axis of evil" in the Pacific that Australia has to search Papua New Guineans starting with our prime minister. Why didn't the Australian Immigration search the Indonesian president and its citizens, or is it that the Australian intelligence investigations of the Bali bombing and other bombing incidences targetted at Australians in Indonesia has revealed that PNG is a link?
I urge that we re-look our so-called bilateral agreements with Australia, specifically the ECP and the AusAID grants. It seems like there is an ulterior motive behind our big friend in every development initiative it is taking in PNG.
Papua New Guinean,
Re: PM is standing up for PNG
|October 20 2009, 4:06 PM |
An apology was in order but did it ever come?
memories are long
|April 9 2005, 12:29 PM |
this matter is deeper than "taking your shoes off"......memories are long and the "chip on the shoulder is still deep"...
Re: memories are long
|April 9 2005, 4:13 PM |
OOOOOOOOH i see, Somares red carpet treatment to Dr Mahatir at the time he was Malaysias Prime Minister has still got a pinch on Howards ass. No wonder he'll always be treated like a terrorist suspect. Wonder what will happen next if we strike some Bilateral Agreement with Iran... Ass blong ol bai op! (Pardon moi lingo)
Re: memories are long
|April 9 2005, 8:42 PM |
Goon one. That strikes some light on this deeply rooted (than just inspecting a shoe) issue. When the retired Malaysian PM was received with Somares highest honour (his capacity as PM) - Aussie media and Howard protested without a subject matter. Full stop. Somare was targeted as Liberal mentioned above (reprisal in a superior conceited smug).
About time PNG should ask Aussie to bow out gracefully with her ECP crap. Leadership and learnership are indispensible and go hand in hand. We can learn from our leadership. PNG can driver her way out of law and order, poverty, improve infrastructure and jobs, etc without a "big brother".
Colonialism must not return in neocolonialism.
We need Oz more than they need Us!!
|April 9 2005, 10:23 PM |
I fully disagree with Somare's interjections in demand for a formal apology from the Australian Government. Besides the consideration of PNG's sovereignity to the global community, who are we (or Somare for that matter) to demand an apology over such an untrivial matter?
Just try terminating Australia's most valuable foreign aid at this stage, and we stand to gain negative macro-economic tremours through unstable currency valuation and fiscal repercussions!
Forget it PNG! Swallow your pride and get on with it!!
Re: We need Oz more than they need Us!!
|April 10 2005, 8:37 AM |
SOMARE is worth the WHOLE of PNG including her natural resources. Somare is not cheap and comparable to a lousy $800 million for goodness sake.
The feeding from this beastly, showy and arrogant mum needs to end. PNG can survive with an uncle or a considerate aunt with casava, kaukau or sago.
PNG has survived and will continue to survive with or without the boommerang aid from Australia.
The third (dilpomatic note)summons from PNG government to Australian High Commission in Port Moresby will be the High Commissioner's deportation note.
PNG is not cheap so Australia can turn and squeeze it however she pleases with masters like Alexander and Howard.
re: Somare worth the whole of PNG
|April 14 2005, 3:37 PM |
I really don't think you know what your talking about when you say that Somare is worth the whole of PNG including its resources. Its sad to see such a die hard supporter of a currupt politician. So far Somare hasn't done much in his latest term as PM for PNG except disrupt its relationsho[p with Australia. With the foreign AID that Australia contributing over 20 % of the budget how can we say don't give us AID when we are struggling to pay our teachers etc. Are you willing to give more money in order to cover the loss of such a big hole in the budget? I'm not, we cannot as a nation afford to be so blinded. The chief isn't worth more than PNG and we cannot as a nation afford to go down this path. Comon PNG wake up to yourself. We are our own greatest enemy...
Why need OZ???
|April 10 2005, 9:07 AM |
Mr.KLaigap,your cognitive mind-set had been diagnosed with Oz's jelly-beans. Try retune your scope and think logically beyond the margine. Its' time Png stands on its own foot and decides its own future rather than being remote-controlled by an alien convict. Look there are terms and conditions we have been complying to prior to receiving aids from the Oz. Obviously, their aids are boomerang as a matter of fact. They give us a plate of jelly bean and reap it off in three-folds indirectly. We do not need them any more, we've got enough resources that could be traded else where. The Gas Pipeline down to Cairns is a bloody day-light robbery.If you are from the Highlands, think again. Your people are still uncivilised. Where does all the spin-off's go?To the Highlands or down to Cairns?
People like you won't be positively productive towards building PNG as an independent nation, rather you still have this mind set of colonial dependency. Come out of your cell and think again Mr KLaigap.
venture forward and just say NO....
|April 10 2005, 11:24 AM |
why should aust continue to give aid to a country of haters, I continually read about the way you feel australia treats you and yet the words of hate towards Aust seems the same - a bit of hate situation on both sides it seems
you don't want the aid, it is easy, just say NO and venture forward, in your own right...go do it
Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 10 2005, 1:30 PM |
Nationalist, you have to admit that PNG might never possess the administrative ethics nor political audacity to pursue widespread and equitable distribution of resource rent. At the current stage independence is fully in effect, but independence from what?!! Since '75, we have groomed a culture of wealth accumulation deemed applicable only to the rich and famous residing in more urbanized environments while over 80% of the remaining populous go foraging through their waste bins. (You only need to visit the Salaries & Remunerations Commission to actually define what bracket of the nation's citizens expend a major portion of State funds.)
The departments of Finance and National Planning are ethnically consumed with a wide range of national employees that speak up to 100 different languages respectively. Hence the cultural realms will continue to be a barrier for effective administration promoting ethnical differences, individual pursuits, and discrimination towards resource distribution. And as much as I am sorry to say, the political fundamentals of PNG remain volatile and corruption-prone as an overload of parties and their entailed leadership continue to display power struggles to determine WHO should reap our nation's resource wealth! Until Papua New Guineans (we) are able to coordinate and function effectively in a show of patriotism, then will I believe your sugar-coated, JELLYBEANED dependency theory founded in Neo-colonialism. So what? Do you mean to imply that we have dependended excessively on the Australian public and civil service to implement government policies? Never forget who has the front seat in the house! (Our Attitude Determines Our Destiny!)
As much as I remain a staunch nationalist, I am not willing to cancel Australian foreign aid that employs many of our human resources through scholarships, sponsorships and development schemes from the Australian tax payer (which I believe you are a beneficiary). However, I object to the ECP program which engages Australians on home soil for there seemingly exists a misplacement or ambiguous utilization of human resources. Rather, PNG should utilize the experiences and expertise of a few foreign administrators and managers on a contractual basis, which should set the platform for role appreciation and effective, on-the-job learning before future independence in managing our State enterprises, institutions and agencies.
Somare is one man, who remains dependent on high-ranking bureaucrats, politicians, and advisors who continue have his ear by the fingers and on the other hand, squander the nation's wealth for personal gains. He remains defyingly adamant and ignorant to global immigration policies which seem to have given his pride a nosedive. So I ask you what constructive outlook and persistent policies should PNG have towards Australian Aid?!! (It is not a question meriting a termination of foreign aid in retaliation over the recent body search of a PM. This matter remains separate, untrivial and irrelevant!)
Re: Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 10 2005, 3:57 PM |
I have expressed formal opposition to the ECP in relation to the orgnaisation I am working in. There are established procedures for appointing suitable officiers, including expatriate officers, to fill positions similar to mine. The ECP and, sadly, the leadership within my department, decided to give special treatment to ECP engaged officers, apparently on the totally erroneous assumption that they know better than us. I wrote to the leadership telling them that they should count me out. As far as I am concern, I CAN DO A BETTER JOB THAN THE AUSTRALIANS, AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY HIGH EXPECTATIONS OF THE AUSTRALIANS. I UNDERSTAND PNGEANS BETTER THAN THEM. HOW COULD THEY POSSIBLY DO A BETTER JOB THAN ME.
So, I don't mind Somare's termination of the ECP program.
By the way, nation hood or state-hood is the very concept the Australians brought to us. It is a foreign concept. Democracy is also a foreign concept. The western system of government was also brought to us by Australia. The capitalist concept was also brought to us by the Australians.
All these concepts were brought to us mostly to our detriment. The western concepts,instead of strenthening, has destroyed our system of maintaining order in our society. They brought to us the jail system,which is only contributing to our law and order problem. They brought to us an education system that produces leavers with shattered dreams. They brought to us the capitalist system that has destroyed our culture of sharing and,thereby, has destroyed our source of respect for each other. They have brought to us the western way of leadership that has failed to produce good leadership.
As if these were not enough, they exposed us to all manner of diseases, diseases we have never known before. STD diseases are imports, from or through Australia. Aids accessed PNG from Australia.
I watch with interest as US, UK and Australia impose their western concepts in Iraq. Removal of Sadam and maintenance of security are good deeds but the Iraqis must be empowered to determine their own destiny by utilising their own concepts. Democracy works in the western world. The same cannot be said for the Iraqis and,perhaps, PNGeans too. Too much freedom is hurting us badly.
THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT AUSTRALIA HAS A MORAL DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE AID TO US FOR HAVING A HAND IN OUR PRESENT DAY MESS.
Re: Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 10 2005, 4:46 PM |
Being an insider, I would have to sympathize with your plight and agree! There are Papua New Guineans capable of competently performing, if not better! Thus I fully agree that the ECP program should be abolished, however if the opportunity arises for re-negotiation, I would vouch for the utilization of PNG's vast pool of human resources under the ECP Enhancement program.
I believe local problems deserve local minds to treat the cancer of unprofessional conduct which has inflicted PNG's society! Australia only needs to play a facilitative role through fund allocation and monitoring if it is truly concerned for the development of Papua New Guinea. To be held accountable for the Australian taxpayers' money, I would advise an effective reporting system between the two countries for accountability and transparency over fund usage. (Goodness knows why Deloittes Touche and KPMG continue to exist in the country without the Australian government's due recognition.)
Re: Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 11 2005, 12:55 AM |
There is one png man that I'm aware of, at the moment working and living with AIDS, to date he has infected 7 of his wives and numerous unknown victims because of his promiscuous sexual relations.
He may of contracted the virus outside of PNG on his travels overseas, but that is because of his promiscuous sexual relations...how can u blame another country for promiscuous acts of men from your country....
Re: Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 11 2005, 2:13 PM |
I took this from today's Post Courier, Viewpoint, for your information.
Don’t hold breath for an apology
If it’s an apology you’re waiting for, PNG, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
As if the ill-treatment of Sir Michael Somare by Australian airport security officials wasn’t bad enough, Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer’s cavalier dismissial of the incident and of PNG’s concerns has left me, as an Australian, deeply embarrassed.
Sadly, it’s exactly the sort of behaviour that Australians have come to expect from the Howard Government.
Whether it’s in relation to Sir Michael, or New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark (who once received similar treatment at an Australian airport), or a mentally ill Australian citizen who was mistaken for an asylum seeker and locked away, getting an apology out of John Howard and his ministers is like squeezing blood from a stone.
Then, of course, there is Mr Howard’s refusal to apologise on behalf of the Government for generations of mistreatment of our Indigenous peoples. The late Pope John Paul II was prepared to apologise on behalf of the world’s one billion Catholics for the mistreatment of millions at the hands of the Church throughout the ages.
Don’t be fooled by Mr Downer’s defence; his refusal to show some humility has nothing to do with Australian egalitarianism. To be sure, the average Australian would laugh at the notion that politicians are somehow above us mere mortals. Equally, however, I believe that most would view the treatment of Sir Michael as just plain ill-mannered and Mr Downer’s handling of the matter as inept, arrogant and lacking in respect.
Regrettably, the affair has received very little attention in the Australian media. So keep shouting, PNG. Wake up the neighbours. Make them get out of bed and say that one simple small word: “Sorry”. It’s not that hard, after all. Yet it can make such a difference.
Mr Corey Watts
Re: Your Jellybean Neo-Colonial Theory Holds No Relevance!
|April 11 2005, 6:42 PM |
Strings attached neocolonialism laden aids or budget-support handouts must come to a full stop. WE have never begged for Aussie to continue bashing hard that PNG need help. Economically, we can slowly rise by trading with real competitive countries who come clean on economic diplomacy (aid as aid, grant as grant, investment as an investment). Get real folks, Aussie's hide and seek sugarcoated boomerang aid must be halted. It is a far-fetched aid to me. There wont be no profound effect on us for China and other Asian nations will fill that gap with trade (should aid come to a stop). Increase trade with Asians and that tiny ECP aid can be replaced with trade volumes.
Those who are too soft with Aussie must start to move around (rethink), this post-911 ECP claptrap is an Aussie engineered farm cart to station her security officers to protect herself and her interests against terror (the prime agenda behind). Aussie has deliberately and volunteerily listed herself of terriorists red-list (target countries). Howard must (no matter how much it costs) station his officers to guard possible terror infiltration. Aussie do not really care on our (PNGs) law and order, economy, jobs, infrastructure, etc. These are just umbrella bacons blown up in media when the real issue is terror and her security. This Kina 800 million is just a flush down the ceramic pot, compared to what Aussie reap from PNG of her resources, look at the giant Aussie conglomerate firms PNG. PNG has been sleeping far too long.
PNG must make hard decisions and prepare to launch a "No Aid Economy" policy. True leaders make hardline decisions to protect national sovreignity. When ECP is halted and booted back to her origin; and Queensland Gas Pipeline make a surprising U-turn towards Asia. It will be interesting to see how much more Downer and Howard will cast doubt and conceit superiority on PNG. They will stuck-up their aid joystick themselves and vanish in arrogant proud.
Lets rule lines; let PNG hardliners be hardliners and call for an end to the (boomerang) aid, and those sober ones continue to cry foul.
how many trees will be left in 10 years???
|April 11 2005, 9:53 PM |
Increase trade with Asian are you sure about that...
How many trees do you think will be left in say 10 years down the track?
How many more poker machines more will be up and running - currently, K223 million per year leaves the country going to site owners of these poker machines (asian syndicates)
Re: how many trees will be left in 10 years???
|April 12 2005, 9:29 AM |
You have not seen Japan, Malaysia, Singapore
the name of the game is making money
|April 12 2005, 9:40 AM |
Regardless of what country helps PNG out it's all a money making business unfortunatly, everybody wants something in return, and the name of the game is making money and using the resources for their own use.
Sorry Chief - look elsewhere
|April 12 2005, 9:26 PM |
This issue is a very interesting one and at this point in time.
The PNG Chief staff, protocol officers plus the bearecrats have somewhat blown this issue to an extent that will on the long run in many positive as well as negative results. The protests and demands have been made addressing the mistreatment of the chief. Further demands ahave been made for an apology and compensation from the Aussie PM and Downer and thuis developed into the boycott of the ECP meeting.
I looks simple however, there will be considerable negative impacts if there are no alternative framework in place. Are we really prepared for the decisions we will make or make from the results of our actions.
Firstly, I assume that the chief secretary and his baerecrats know the processes in which to demand an apology.There would have been a recocialiation process to an access to an official apology from Mr Howard throgh proper procedures.
Secondly, the protest march was orgaised with a motive that is beyond the real means of an demand for an apology..yes that is accepted but I do not think compensation is warranted. Compensation for what and what is it the people demand. On the mind of readers, this means begging for money and shows haow shallow PNG is.
Autralia will not apologies and that is that. It has got its migration policies and procedures for checks that we will have no control over even how much we beg. They don't give a damn on who he or she is. They did the same to the New Zealand PM. They maintain that and it must be understood that these are enforced by a private contractor who is duty bound under contractual agreements. Well, I agree that as head of the soveriehn nation within this region our chief should have been given protocol treatment.
They have realised that PNG had shown that we are careless in our immigration procedures like the gun found from a senior government officer to Singapore. He was part a PNG delegation. This is and case where we are not trusted in our securty checks. It was also found that the international security measuresds in PNG is nil. We had better learn our lessons and put things straight. The illegal chinese population in PNG just spells this failure.
The Chief and the politicians will by now opened thier eyes. They have been the culprits who have been second fiddle to such bully's as Australians. We have been simply dictated by them for almost five decades even after independence. Where is this "look north policy" they had been preaching about? why have we been dependent upon AusAID for ages.Millions have been put forward on to our national budget year by year for almost three decades. The nations corporate sector and business environment is Australian based. You just put all these fifteen programmes under aid under cover of bilateral agreements that are projected for the PNG Governments priority areas.Given that, if we are to press for the abolition of some of these, we will be haeding for trouble.
We do NOT demand an apology. We WANT A CHANGE.
This means having axeing of all AusAID programmes as well as cuttingg ties with Australia. Look for opportunities elsewhere.Market the country with other developed as well as pacific neighbours and south east asia.Appropriate plans and strategies must be designed to carry out the governments programme frameworks. All Aussie based corporate bodies licenses to operate in PNG be revoked and invite corporation from elsewhere.
PNG is one of those fortunate countries rich in resources and yet we are forced to beg. That would mean maanging our resources in the best appropriate means and not been on the imperialist behaivour of Australian heavy tactics. We will survive if the chief and his knights now come to reality and have visions to progresss and have realist approach to development and progress.
So I belive we LOOKS ELSEWHERE instead of crying over spilled milk.
We don't need Aussie AID but we need to come up with replacement strategies.
Good Points You Made There But.................Look elsewhere
|April 13 2005, 1:51 PM |
I agree with you that, we have been dependent on Australia for quiet a while and we should break free. But, why looks elsewhere, if for 25 almost 30 years, Papua New Guinea has been spoon feed by Aussie.
Why look elsewhere, after 30 years PNG should be standing on its own feet and shout out to the whole world (as in our national anthem) to see, Papua New Guinea. Why look elsewhere, after such countries like Australia has been helping Papua New Guinea to get on its feet and move forward instead of looking North. Looking North for what, another AID package? PNG's developments are AID driven developments. Look at all the major road maintenances, it is AID, take a look at the Health Sector, driven by AID, take a look at the Education sector, driven by AID. So tell me, if PNG is ready to shake hands with Australia and part with Australia saying, now we can stand on our own two feet so thanks for your help.
If we are Looking North for AID, i am so sorry to say, but, that seems childish, a child when given a beating by Dad cries to his mom and finds comfort. Man this is a shameful way of behaving in a modern world.
With all the great wealth of Papua New Guinea all we see is corruption, greed, politics, misuse and abuse being the norm of the day.
My dad told me, not to depend on my brother for my survival, i have to fend for myself. And i guess, every mans got to live by his own means, how he comes up with food, accomodation depends on the man. Looks to me, Papua New Guinea after 30 years of independence has still remain a child withot even a growth, sucking on Australia for all the developments that are seen in the country. With all the wealth of the nation being plundered by so called leaders, who get rich overnight once elected.
Now, we want to side with them, to cut off the life-line that holds PNG. I am a Nationalist, but, when i see, our own country man become traitors of their own nation, i dont support such moves. For me, if we have to shake hands with Aussie, then, we dont have to look North, but, "LOOK WITHIN", take stock of the nations wealth and make sure we manage our resources well, root out corruption, and greed and make sure leaders are sacrificing to bring the country out to a level where every human being is satisfied. If this aint happening, i am so sorry to say, but, we cant part with Australia, because to me, they are the ones who bring real tangible development, while our leaders plunder the nations wealth with all the corrupt means that you can think about.
The only organisations that bring real tangible developments to our nation are"
1. The churches
2. Aid Money. Roads, hospitals, education, fisheries, etc.
3. Tax Credit Schemes from the mining sectors.
4. Private Sector.
5. Last of all the Government.
The Government has to be the first in this instance to be independent. If not we will still sratch those left overs from Australia.
|April 13 2005, 5:37 PM |
Yes..wantok Cool_Guy1. You are quite right in those areas and for very important points you have stressed. I agree with you in every sese you mentioned hereby.
Let me excuse myself from the point of "Look elsewhere". Really, it is the view point that the chief secretary Mr Kalinoe and the chief of staff of the PM are taking and expressing lately no wonder allowing people to take to streets a demonstration and demands that given the fact that there were avenues to deal with this matter at diplomatic levels. I wonder if this paople the bearecrats do know and realise the of what theier actions are? In my observation, they are simply frastrated over a very simple thing here. I want to point out again here that security check is a must regardless of region, nationality, race, creed or colour. So why a crisis out of this. Simply go through proper procedures to get an apology. Demonstration and compensation is just unacceptable.
But if the PM and his corhorts do not want to accept Aussies ignorance to an apology, then that is another thing here. They are simply implying that we do not want to deal with, do not want entertain, do not want to listen, do not want to accept the Aussie PM's explainations. This means the secretary and his top brass are in fact trying to look else where. That is where I have mentioned to look elsewhere.
You are and so as others are quite right. Actually the top brass are very ill informed and adviced which is unbecoming of advisers to decision makers. If they persist in this tense they will be looking for trouble. And therefore I have stated that if that is the direction, then they must also be prepared get the country into the right direction which ever they choose. And that means a solution to replace AusAId and other funding given to our government by Australia.
When I mentioned Look North was not my idea. It was and is still the idea of the chief as well as other politicians. The idea is still floating around within the pillars of the haus tambaran and the relevant government agencies. In fact they have been somewhat cheating on Aussies all this time.
Australia had/has all this time tried it's best in every way for us to progress and prosper, independence was taken without bloodshed. As you have mentioned they still a somewhat spoon feeding us, simply because we have not shown big brother that we can be able to clear a garden and plant potato, taro, banana and sell those to earn some money, to pay for family services and needs.
Let me highlight the priority programmes and you and other readers can see and realise the importance of such a situation.
1.Capacity Building and Human Resource Project
8.East New Britain Restoration
9.Elentary School pProject
10.Silver Jubilee Sports Programme
11.Youth Leadership Programme.
These are the main programmes but there are several minor projects. These are funded by Australia.
PNG Government must know where to get the repalcement from and or be able to sustain all these plus sustain our economy and sustain the socio-ecomic and political fabrics of the nation.
What I meant was the challenge tom this policy and decision makers who are putting you and my country and citizen at risk. Only for their actions that we have entrusted them to lead us to bring us all opportunities we deserve. So I am saying .....if..Kalinoe, Assaigo and Pepson are not willing to accept the explaination given they are in for something big. Worse if they have boycotted the ECP Meeting then that is something else..then cancell all fuding and let us see if we are capable. That is the challenge to this very people.
No sooner Australia will want to pull out its resources.That no secret. There is already heated debate in Auatralia about this. They a lmost in this process let alone we have asomething that is delaying. Those are foer international relations, for regional and commonwealth ties, regional politics as well as interantional and regional security. Australia are taking a relaxed tense because of these factors. Otherwise we would have neen dumped as soon as these people opened their mouths. I am putting it that if they continue to boycott, have better alternatives.
And by these I mean good governance, better policies, better plans, better strategies, rid corruption, rid bribery, rid foreign Aid, rid borrowing and rid etc etc. Can they do these. That is what Aussie are trying top help because they are also threatened in someways or another. I have witnessed this whilst working with this type in the public service.
Otherwise tell the policy makers and decision makers to reconsider the stand they are now undertaking.It looks scary. But we have all that can make us progress.
My view is that the top brass imeediately reconcile.
I am taking this issue as for discussion with my friend in regional politics class.
|April 14 2005, 5:22 PM |
Iam not an economist so please correct me, I think we should be cautionly content with how our economy is performing. Capital spending is at least over 80% of our net income (CIA world Fact Book) that means we donâ€™t have any savings to increase the foreign reserves to up our kina, that is, we are existing using our foreign reserves acquired 2-5 years ago, our kina wont slide unless our major exports partners go back on their contractual obligation on commodities and goods such as GOLD oil coffee, fish etc., but that is most and highly UNLIKELY. If the ECP is abolished, than our push is for NAPA NAPA oil refinery to go into seduction mode as well to fast track the Hidden valley gold project and the Ramu Nickle with CHINA. These in addition to agriculture and fisheries incentives and agreements such as cashew nuts, vanilla, COFFEE, copra, timber, cocoa, fish and seafood WILL be more than enough, therefore, logically we are fine, however, there is SAVINGS for us if the ECP is retained in terms of infrastructural development(Capital Savings), but that would led to another question, is Australia trying to implant a information network so that they can monitor us effectively, lets say 10ă€€years down the line. I am sure it is a natural progression towards homeland security policy as adopted by the US. The first line of defense for terror or WAR is the Neighbors, Its sounds highly suspicious but itâ€™s frightening because it is highly possible. The natural progression implies having SUPEREME or better INTELLIGENCE about us, this lead me to say â€śwe maybe nurturing a virus that is highly infections, in our present condition of being highly corrupt and receptive to money incentives, unfortunately, this may be disruptive in future, less say 20 years down the line, what if they use bribes to establish the network, whose stopping them, or rather who is monitoring them, our NIO? Is there parliamentary Law to monitor them? Why are we giving them IMMUNITY? Think hard WHY? We have just judged and condemned our Judiciary system and compromised the laws of the Land. We should not take things at face value and TRUST, when dealing with such colossal and important undertakings bordering on the fundamental concepts and teachings of Sovereignty, Independence and Espionage.
I believe our economic stimuli are getting very strong. Economic Interest by our SP neighbors as well as Japan Giants are highly promising, but most IMPORTANTLY, is the declarations of huge profits by significant number of our Local Savings and Loans societies, Teachers, Police, NASFUD, NPF, and big profit yields by Kina Fin and fincorp. This shows our people are truly spending, as long as our people are spending more regardless on what (as long as in the country), our economic will grow, we are now witnessing infrastructure development and Job creation by this Financial Institutions, small although, but it is a big stimulant injected to the economy as employment is directly created by the power of our spending. I truly believe in my opinion of our economy.
In ending, ECP, ultimately is a savings for us, but it is an unproven concept in the world, we are the first, the closest relative to the concept is Colonialism and the closes to that is LIBERATION, and closes to that is INVASION. As I said, it is a NEW CONCEPT IN THE WORLD and on such a grand and complex scale, involving many divisions and critical arms of a GOVERNMENT forming the PILLARS of Democracy and independence and that, we, or I (as a citizen of the country) donâ€™t know the indicators and milestone depicting the success of the project within its logical framework and cost schedule. As such, I am highly suspicious, maybe due to lack of information by the parties involved. But I do know that ECP is NOT here to raise the Kina power, but rather to teach PNGeans(us) of 1. Get to work on time and stay at work until day is up, 2. Learn proper manners and respect in dealing with stakeholders, 3. Be properly attired and well dressed for the JOB. Anything out of this 3 is inaccurate and discrediting and offensiveness to our people, and has far greater and wicked motives behind it.
Grassroots thoughts tasol
Anon, cool comments
|April 18 2005, 3:20 PM |
I guess your comments are what i would consider as rational. PNG needs to switch onto a rational mode, in order to sustain economic development and attain economic independence. Thats all i expressed out there, that, all this can only be possible, if we have visionary leaders, leaders who can put our country first and break free from neo-colonialism and the its ills.
I agree with you that, we have all the resources need to sustain our economy and the nations well being, but, this aint enough, with a huge foreign debt bill that we need to offset, and the subsequent governments have been trying to offset the bill, but, the rate of repayment is at a snails pace, while, import demand for a country like PNG is very high. So given such a situation, our future generation is held to ransom, they will be the ones who will have to repay the loan that current governments have gone out to borrow. PNG has been living beyond its means.
Say for instance, you have K120.00 and you buy K50, food, K30, fuel, and another K50 entertainment. Now, you have a K10, deficit, that has to come from somewhere, you either borrow from a friend to repay with interest the next fortnight. Meaning you have borrowed to finance your current spending, and limiting your future spenting less by K10.00 and interest. That is where the country is now.
PNG has lived beyond its means in the past years and we have to repay that. So you see, with all the natural resources we have, we elected criminals into parliament who go on stealing from the national cofers. Also we appoint criminals to top positions who plunder the nationas cofers, which has been the main reason why the country can not sustain itself, but go on borrowing money from oveseas to finance its spending. In actual fact the developments seen now are all either Aid driven or by Church, and the private sector.
I agree with you, but, anon, we need leaders with vision, who can be able to put a lead on spenting, i mean real radical leaders who have plans for the next 10 years. Leaders need to have vision for the country, where the country should be in the next 10 years, rather than, leaders who have self interest as in the fore-front of their ambitions and the country plays second fiddle.
We need to get out of neo-colonialism, and shake hands with AID, and stand on our own two feet. Only when we do that, PNG will be independent and can be called a sovereign nation. At the moment, we dance to the musci of australia, because hey, how can the country move without their assistance. If it means Somare needs to do a strip tease for the guys in Brisbane, he needs to do that to keep the country rolling, because, do we have any choice?
After 30 years of independence, do we have any choice? Ask Somare, and the guys who have been in that haus tambaran for a life time. And they will tell you, yes, we got independence in name.. hahhahaha, i laugh at the idea, but still dependent, so, dance Somare, Dance, to the nice music from down South, and dont complain, if they want you to strip dance and walk naked on the tarmac, do it my man for the sake of those goodies.
Re: Micheal Somare and his No apology, no ECP talks.
|April 21 2005, 1:59 PM |
Can we please move one to more important matters of our homeland PNG..Please PM stop focusing on this issue and help get back to business...It was just normal routine security check!!!
We are already independent so can we stop acting like children and move on..TA
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