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Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 25 2006 at 11:18 AM
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Performance ratings for PMs

By DR CLEMENT WAINE
PNG has had five prime ministers since 1992 and this article summarises some of their achievements, the socio-economic dynamics that define their terms in office and the impacts their decisions have had on the national development.
I hope it will stimulate discussions and debates amongst the people and politicians as an ever-burgeoning debt burden will threaten the future of our children.


PNG is now at a very critical juncture and the debt burden is becoming a national concern. Since 1992, the national debt (both domestic and external) has expanded along an exponential trajectory.The cumulative national debt in June of 1992 was slightly over K1.7 billion. As of March this year, it had increased to K7.5 billion, after reaching its peak at K8.4 billion in 2002.
The nation borrowed K7 billion in just 10 years.
Except for the late Sir William Skate, the other four are still active in public life either as current MPs or in some ex-officio capacity. They are the major opinion leaders and would be formulating and delivering their party policies on this issue in next year’s general election. Therefore, it is only relevant that we look at their past performance as an indicator of their future performances.
Pius Wingti was in office between 1992 and 1994, at an opportune time, when most mining and petroleum projects came on-stream.
Sir Julius Chan, the then deputy prime minister aptly described PNG as the “island of gold floating on the sea of oil”. Oil projects started in 1991 and production was approaching its peak. Porgera Mine was turning out to be the world’s most profitable mine.
Wingti replaced Mel Togolo with Robert Needham as CEO of MRDC and a protracted negotiation with partners in Porgera resulted in the Government acquiring additional 15% of the mine at prevailing market prices, raising the total Government equity to 25%.

However, it was disappointing to see that Wingti’s government was on a spending spree and paid its largesse with borrowed money. His government accumulated additional K1.2 billion to the national debt.Wingti caused a constitutional crisis in a futile legal manoeuvre to circumvent the anticipated vote of no-confidence in 1993.

This was to be his unraveling that led to the election of Sir Julius (in August 1994), who at that time was in the Cayman Islands after attending the UN meetings in New York City.
Sir Julius Chan laid the ground work for the biggest economic disaster that is presently scourging the country.
He devalued the kina by effectively 40% and simultaneously floated the local currency.
He will be remembered for ceremoniously cutting the ribbon to set the kina afloat. The kina never floated – it was sinking to the depths ever since.
The combined effect of the currency devaluation and float has decimated the middle class that started evolving in the 1980s and continues to wreck havoc in the economy.
A decade later the nation is still struggling to regain lost grounds with the kina’s parity falling from being on par with the US dollar prior to the float, to almost 30% of its original value now, making debt financing almost 70% more costly.
This single action alone decimated the state’s corporate entities such as PNG Power (formerly Elcom) and Post PNG, whose debts were denominated in US dollar.
The devaluation not only severely curtailed their ability to repay the debt but also led to the amount increasing over time.
Sir Julius will also be remembered for the partial sale of MRDC via an initial public offering to form Orogen. This sale yielded K304 million, of which only K100 million was allocated for budgetary support in 1995.
A controversy that still haunts him to this day was the purchase of Cairns Conservatory.
The Ombudsman Commission’s Report in 1999 described the transaction as a departure from prudent management of public funds in what appeared to be a money-laundering exercise.
The times were also turbulent and Bougainville crisis was at its height. Sir Julius hired the Sandline mercenaries to quell rebel activities but it led to a half-baked military revolt by Gen Jerry Singirok and the political momentum that gathered in Port Moresby engulfed the nation leading to the 1997 general election.
Both Sir Julius and Wingti became the high-profile victims when their electorates voted them out of their offices — Wingti only for a term. He returned in 2002, more somber.
Sir Julius has been consigned into the political wilderness for good, or it seems. Will he make a comeback in 2007?

Sir Julius added close to a billion kina to the national debt – so much for the nation’s financial wizard!
Sir William Skate: The 1997 crisis was a watershed in PNG’s political development. PNG turned a new leaf and in came a new breed of young Turks, amongst them were Peti Lafanama, Peter Waieng, Arthur Somare and Sir Mekere Morauta.

The nation’s hopes were riding high on their shoulders but it was short-lived.
Waigani politics was more formidable than everyone anticipated.
Sir William was elected Prime Minister, a first for the Papuan region. There were jubilations in that part of the country but he cut through the regional divide and any notion of such regional pride faded quickly. His reign at the helm, however, was marked by depressed economic climate when all economic indicators were performing as if in compliance with Murphy’s Law.
Commodity prices were at historical lows. The impact of Sir Julius’ kina devaluation was wrecking the economy, which was exacerbated by the Asian financial crisis.

El Nino disrupted the weather and the Aitape tsunami destroyed entire communities, putting more pressure on the already-stretched economy.
With mounting fiscal stress and pressures from international donors, Sir William sought “dollar-diplomacy” as a way out.
His then foreign minister was caught with his pants down in a hotel in Taipei, Taiwan.

The news broke on Australian television stations the same day. The ripples raced across the entire Pacific Ocean and Roy Yaki returned with his snake-skinned Akubra hat in his hand.
Sir William would be remembered for taking a no-nonsense approach in brokering a peace deal on Bougainville.
In an apparent gaffe, his confession was captured on hidden cameras and broadcasted worldwide.
He came to be known as the “godfather”, a name he must have disdained. In the end he was knighted by the Queen – a fitting reward for a man, who spearheaded the interest of ordinary people.

Sir William added almost K2 billion to the debt burden – almost a billion kina for every year he was in office, which remains a record.
Sir Mekere: The controversies surrounding late Sir William rattled an already-perplexed nation, traumatised by El Nino and the ravages of extreme inflationary conditions. The time was right for change. Sir Mekere was elected Prime Minister in a bizarre turn of events.
John Pundari took a right turn instead of left, when arriving at the Parliament in the morning of the election and what transpired as the business of the day in the House was later described by Lady (now Dame) Carol Kidu as the “hand of God at work, if there was a God”.
Sir Mekere was a fine bureaucrat – a faithful servant of previous masters. He saw need for changes to the way financial institutions were governed and his election provided him that opportunity and he wasted no time.
He is credited for changes to financial institutions in the country – changes that have very positive impact in the corporate governance and independence of these institutions.
The impact of his decision was far greater than what had been discussed in public.
Sir Mekere was in office for over two years, during which he added K1.65 billion to the national debt, almost averaging a billion kina every year.
For a man who had been in the engine room of financial and monetary controls of the country since independence, his performance was a great letdown for the country.
His approach was typical of a classical economist with the debt-peddling mentality. This trait showed itself over and over in his short two years in office.
In April 2002, he merged Orogen into Oil Search resulting in his government netting A$73.7 million (K145 million) and 18% share in the “new” Oil Search. The timing of this sale was critical – it occurred at the onset of the historical and unprecedented bullish run for all commodities, mineral and petroleum prices.
Oil Search, after the merger, sold the mineral assets for more than US$73.8 million (K284 million) – twice more than the buying price and made profit too.
The mineral assets were sold when the gold price was at US$120 an ounce; the current price is US$600 an ounce.
In the last six years, Porgera, Misima and Tolekuma together sold over 10 million ounces of gold, at an average price of US$400 an ounce and earned in total US$4 billion (about K12 billion).

The PNG Government owned an average 25% in these projects. The merger resulted in loss of revenue for the Government. In fact, PNG lost over US$1.2 billion (K3.6 billion) in real revenue during the last six years.
The petroleum assets, after the merger, fell from 25% equity to 17% in all oil and gas projects. This merger took place when oil price was at US$25 a barrel. Oil is now selling at US$70 a barrel. Since 2000, PNG has exported around 80 million barrels of oil at an average price of US$40 a barrel earning over US$3 billion (K9 billion) in six years.By diluting the equity in petroleum projects by 8%, the country lost K960 million in revenue.The merger between Oil Search and Orogen has cost the nation over K4.5 billion in just six years. Sir Mekere’s decision had cost the country so dearly.
He also sold PNGBC to BSP for effectively K95 million. At that time PNGBC had 40% market share.

Sir Mekere squandered the money from the sale on the 2002 campaign trail and also left a K200 million budget blowout that required immediate Supply Bill by the incoming Somare government to rectify budgetary shortfalls. Sir Mekere fell short of forming the government, apparently a victim of the political reforms he bulldozed in Parliament the year before. He will be remembered as the knight, who fell on his own sword!

Sir Michael Somare: The Somare Government has the opportunity in a lifetime most governments dream of – all commodity and mining/petroleum prices have been heading northwards. This meant more revenue coming into the coffers for the Government to meet some of its debt-financing obligations as well as pay for the budgeted items.

The current Government arrested the burgeoning trend in the national debt.
However, recent trend seems ominous, for two reasons. First, the decline in the total debt burden has ended as the Government borrowed additional K500 million in the last six months (to pay for the Supply Bill?).
This leaves me with one conclusion: Perhaps, the only person who understood the gravity of the national debt burden was Bart Philemon.
His removal as the Finance/Treasury Minister has seen the return to the borrow-and-spend mentality.

Second, the Government has shifted the nation’s debt burden from external debts to domestic. Consequently, K1.5 billion was added to the nation’s domestic debt, primarily from sales of Treasury Bills and Inscribed Stocks. Treasury Bills declined from K3 billion in March 2004 to K1.7 billion in September last year, but has since rose sharply back to under K2 billion in the first quarter of this year. Inscribed Stocks have ballooned from a low of just K174 million in 2004 to over K1.7 billion in September last year. Almost all these bonds were purchased by domestic financial and institutional investors (Nasfund, POSF, BSP, etc).

The Somare Government is creating a domestic debt bubble that would not be sustainable in the event that all commodity and mineral/petroleum prices head south.

The debt burden is a national crisis that needs immediate redress.
The Government is effectively borrowing from future generation to spend today and by shifting to domestic debt, it is spending the current savings of the working class. The public wrangling between Sir Michael and Mr Philemon on who should get the credit for the improvement in the macroeconomic stability is irrelevant. Neither of them put in place a single policy to insulate the economy against external shocks, when commodity and mineral/petroleum prices head south (bearish).

There are two basic tools at the Government’s disposal to regulate macroeconomic stability – the monetary and fiscal controls. The monetary policies are now in the domain of the Central Bank, thanks to the reform Sir Mekere introduced.

The Government’s only control mechanism is the fiscal policy and Mr Philemon used this lever to great advantage and gets the credit for it. But his approach to macroeconomic stability was fiscal restraint, which is hardly a sustainable policy per se as we saw the scavengers unashamedly going for the treasure chest after the National Alliance Party (NAP) convention earlier this year. The Somare Government is not using the gains of the macroeconomic stability to improve the microeconomic conditions. This is underlined by high consumer prices of basic goods. Fuel prices are now almost beyond reach.

The frenzy in the real estate market is on an unsustainable path; a house at Korobosea that cost K250,000 in 2002 is now priced at K450,000 – almost 100% rise in just three years and this is beyond the reach of ordinary people.
This is not driven by market forces but rather by a cartel of real estate agents and the Government seems almost unable to moderate this lunacy.
Indeed, by being unable or unwilling to intervene with relevant microeconomic policies, the Government remains an unwitting accomplice in the unrelenting efforts driven by both external and domestic factors to decimate the middle income earners and to widen the chasm between the have-nots and the have-mores.

I conclude my assessments of the Prime Ministers by grading them based on their past performances. I am giving Wingti, Sir Julius, Sir William and Sir Mekere a “Pass” while Sir Michael gets an “Upper Pass”. None deserves a “Credit” or “Distinction”.

The bigger problem is that all these governments had existed in policy vacuums and this is the bigger danger to the country. If they had any policies, they did not eloquently express them to the public. For instance, the Somare Government’s Green Revolution is the big pie in the sky – all statistics indicate a decline in the traditional tree crop productions since 2002.



*The writer is a PNGean, gradute of UPNG and holds a PhD from the University of Queensland, where he also won the Dean’s Medal for outstanding research. He now lives and works in the US. He is an avid follower of PNG politics.



    
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs

August 25 2006, 3:31 PM 

Well done!
This has got to be one of the most in-depth and well-presented articles that I have seen in years.

Dr. Waine, if you're reading this, can you present a few facts about Sir Rabbie Namaliu too?

He was one of those former Prime Ministers as well. His reign and leadership was not really felt as it was a very lukewarm and indecisive periods during his time.

Guess, it was an oversight in not mentioning his name?



 
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Whizkid

Re: Performance ratings for PMs

August 25 2006, 4:38 PM 

Excellent reading!

 
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Dr Waine hits nail on the head.

August 25 2006, 5:03 PM 

Dr Waine has hit the nail on the head. I always knew all our PMs had FAILED this beautiful country and trully they have. We donot need to look far to see the deterioration and suffrering our poor people are going through.

PNG is really at the Cross roads now. The elections are arround the corner, and it is time we heat up the discussions and must call for public debates and policy discussions by these leaders. We need to be critical in our choices.

However, our politics is so entrenched in getting "What is in it for me?" This has been the mentality of our leaders. i hope somebody like Dr Waine who is clear on the issues and on what needs to be done is elected. I am sure I have never seen and read about any accadenmic or PHd holder comming out with such an analysis. Thanks Dr Waine, and top marks to you. Tru tru yumi needim CHANGE.

 
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ndrukul

This is a start.

August 25 2006, 9:09 PM 

Lets seek out potential candidates for the 2007 elections and get the good doctor to do a rundown on the most reliable prospects. this way we can be assured of the candidates intentions and track record. a portfolio of the members now in parliament is old news. all have been tainted by the stink of corruption and outright theivery. in the case of the few who arnt maybe they are damned by yheir silence as conspiritors or not wanting to rock the gravy train. I ask Dr Waine to work out somthing for every one. lets all look at the prospects for 2007 in our own neck of the woods and sort them out then inject some credibility and honesty into parliament. dont let this flame die.

 
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liklik man

Re: This is a start.

August 26 2006, 12:10 PM 

This kind of analysis work on the economy, and performances by successive governments are good for the public domain.

Its sheds light on voters! The papers column writers should write more of this stuff - even with senior govt ministers!

wanbel

 
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Enlightened one

Performance ratings for PMs : By Dr. Waine

August 26 2006, 3:55 PM 

I certainly agree that we need more of such well researched and detailed papers like this.

Equally important is that the readers have a duty to discuss and pass on the information to those around us. Only then, will we be able to make informed decisions.

I have made copies of this paper to pass it around to others whom I think will spare a moment to read and comment.



 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs : By Dr. Waine

August 27 2006, 2:05 PM 

Dr. Clement Waine,
The document befits your title in a way the dumfounds many and yet brings enlightenment to the masses.

Despite, you being a biological scientist (if I am not wrong) it's amazing to know that, you can be an excellent political commentator.

PNG is proud of you.

Keep on putting things in perspective.



 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs : By Dr. Waine

August 27 2006, 3:34 PM 

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NO-MORE

No More former PMs for 2007!!

August 27 2006, 10:36 PM 

From this posting I can clearly see where we have been heading. Most of the said PMs have been telling us they were doing well and even saying the bead things that we were having to face were the faults of previous govts.

Even Bart philemon and Micheal Somare have been bragging about the improved economy, but it seems they have been (Paitim boros natin)doing in in a vacuum without any sustainable policies.

What a shame and I am looking forward to the furore this article will be creating next week. Surely it was good analysis, but also some of these said people will come back to deny what has been said by Dr Waine. Everbody in PNG politics likes to paint a different public picture when infact they care less what happens to our people and our children's future. I think Somare should also been given a pass grade too.

 
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Assessment should be qualified in respect to different time periods and broader criteria

October 5 2006, 1:35 PM 

Whilst I agree with Dr.Waine's assessment of the past peformance of PNG's prime ministers including I assume Sir Rabbie,we have to really look at the different time periods the past PMs held office to have an appreciation of the external demands of that particular period.

Grand Chief Somare should be given an "A" for to giving us Political Independence with no blood shed. All other democracies in the world had to fight for their independence. An Honary Doctorate degree is due to the Chief for achieving this feat.

Sir Julias Chan should be given a "B" for for his financial wit in giving us Kina and Toea, a true PNG currency.He introduced the hard Kina policy which saw our currency valued higher than the US greenback and Aussie dollar prior to 1994. He is regarded as the Father of public finance in PNG, a platform of much of the later financial improvements that Dr.Waine alluded to. The floating of the kina is conditional on all other economic perfomance indicators including commodity trade,services,foreign direct investment and domestic savings. The last factor is one of the biggest pitfalls we have in that PNGns do not have a culture of hardwork and savings which is critical in economic prosperity today.See the case of China. Sir Julias is not responsible for our citizens not saving but those that did are now reaping the reward and are expanding business into Australia and elewhere. Sir J has already earned a B plus or even A minor in my books.

Paias Wingti is the the silent achiever in terms of economic reforms. He is responsible for much of the reforms which were later on implemented by Sir Mekere, a close aid of Wingti.Wingti's performance can be seen in pararell to Sir Mekere's. Their major achievement is the privatization scheme which showed the "Invisible Hand" or the "Hand of God" referred to by Dr. Waine moving from government control of major government businesses to the private sector. This is the modern day gospel of economic reforms in the market economy according to classical economic theory. Together, their policy was driven by the global economic trend at that time and even today.They responded to the external demand during their time in office in a swift manner which cannot be taught in classical economic class in any university in the world-where there is a distinct difference between theory and pratice. Should they deserve a Pass? I dont think so. An A or B would be appropriate.Moveover,there was no policy vaccum alluded to by Dr.Waine.Obviously,the economic reforms undertaken by Wingti and Mekere are reflective of the external global trends.

Sir Rabbie is the darkhorse that flew under the radar, a quiet student and a fence sitter that benefited from the work of others.He was busy mending broken fence with our closest neighbour,Australia, playing the diplomatic honest broker in the Australian Press Club.A job he is good in as a former academia.He was not known for trigering off any tipping points that made PNG to be better off in the whole economic management of PNG. He was only holding the fort,and was not a risk taker.He is likened to the servant that hid the silver coins given by his master in the soil and did nothing to it. He deserves what he has put in. And that's a "F" for no effort i.e the opportunity cost of the next best alternative is always higher than doing nothing.

Sir William did alot of good things, although the methods were unconvential and not textbook style.He had a different persona and depended more on personal relations and trust in people who are good in walking the talk and not talk the talk. He brought in Dr.Hamidan Rad to walk the talk because our own intellectuals and bureuacrats were talking the talk all the time.No actions and someone like Sir Bill does not have time for sweet talkers. He took care of little things that common people needed.He looked after the hauslain first before talking big in front of the international audience.By doing so, he became popular with the small people.His achievements is testimony to his no-nonsense approach in getting things done. The Poreporena Freeway, the Bougainville Peace Accord, Eye in the Sky Programme, creation of Chief Secretary's post,implemtation of the public service reforms and the abolishment of unnessary government agencies to save cost. He surely walked the talk and deserves a B plus.

I believe the above is a fair qualitative assessment of the past PMs based on the circumstances facing them when they were in office.Assessment done by Dr.Waine on their economic performance can be validated in relation to their governments' response to external factors occuring during the different time periods. Therefore,an asssessment based on broader qualitative criteria would be more appropriate in this context.

Thank you,

Paul Kindua Martin

 
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Anonymous

PM evaluation F, F, F, D-, B+/F

October 5 2006, 1:43 PM 

Sir Julius tried to kill Papua New Guineans using white mercenaries from South Africa. "F"

Bill Skate rock and rolled the night away while our kina lost about 60% of its value, which means the people of PNG lost about 60% of their economic wealth. "F"

Paias Wingti destroyed what had been admired macroeconomic management by getting us in sever debt to international banks. He did this by the stupidity of spending money on one hand on the Bougainville rebellion while on the other hand offering 'free education' (as if there is such a thing) and greater cash crop subsidies. "D-"

Because Sir Michael Somare gave us independence without a fight, we've never had to struggle for that freedom, nor have we had to unite against a common enemy. That absence is the strongest explanation why we have no deep sense of nationalism. Tribalism rules, even amongst the most educated. PNGScape is one example. Still, Somare originally was pursing things slow and easy, which is the only way that sustainable infrastructures and economies are built. Somare in the early years, "B+", in this current term, "F"

 
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Generation Gap

October 12 2006, 10:12 AM 

There is alot of resentment of our fore fathers from the way the younger generation view the management of our country.Why focus on the negatives everytime? If you have something better to offer do so but be constructive rather than the blaming game- GROW UP... The world is moving on and we have got to move with the change.

The Past Prime Ministers are the reference points for us this generation to view and see how and where we can improve.That's the only way forward.Do you think someone from outside would be genuinely interested in coming to run our country. Forget Australia if that's what you think. Believe me, they dont like us.It's us who will run this country and we must have the right attitude to fly our Gold,Black and Red flag higher.I take my hat off to the past PMs for their contribution. I cannot hold anything against them as this attitude will only bring us down.Lets move forward as a united Papua New Guinea.It's the 5 plus million people that will make the difference not one,two or five PMs or 109 MPs.

I think it was Robert Downing, the famous poet that said that we can reach what is ahead of us by grasping whats in front..something to that effect. The PMs are the reference points or stepping stones if you like for us to make use of the opportunities ahead. They have served us a full menu, it's up to us to enjoy or go elsewhere.

Thanks,


Paul Kindua Martin

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs : By Dr. Waine

October 19 2009, 12:04 AM 

I'm also dumfounded by that article.

 
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Engan Nationalist

Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

September 12 2006, 1:18 PM 

Dr Clement Waine is highly applauded for your remarkable achievements in the field of science. It was not until yesterday that I was reading a posting on pngscape and came across your name. I did a quick search of your name identity and to my amazement, your are one rare and true son of Papua New Guinea. You have caused ripples in the world of science and discovery. What an amazing man you are! Thank God for the brains. I read your assessment of PNGs PMs and it was truly inspiring and revealing to know the true outcomes of their leadership traits.

I guess we need people like you to make a u-turn in PNGs economy. I had great hopes when Dr. Allan Marat was elected and took the office of DPM, only to be left of out the picture. He was one of the great advocators of down-stream processing and we need highly enlightened people like him to be in the engine room of PNGs economy.

If you are truly going for the 2007 elections and if you are a truly a PNG nationalist as so far portrayed and if you have a strategy for change and if you take yourself (as you have done so far) as one true advocator, protector, and defender of the people of PNG, you have my 100% full support!

Engan Nationalist

 
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Clement Waine

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

September 13 2006, 11:21 AM 

Some facts that people might find interesting:
1. Completed my PhD at UQ and was awarded the degree at the age of 30yrs (2000).
2. Awarded gold medal for Outstanding PhD Research by Dean of Postgraduate School, UQ in conjunction with AusAID (rep: Fiona Pakoa)
3. Published over 25 papers in peer-review and conferences (5 more drafts are pending submissions soon)
4. Pioneered the discovery and characterization of a novel class of proteins that I called "Plant Cyclotide" (anyone can google "cyclotides" and find related refs on-line)
5. "Plant cyclotides" are now the hottest class of molecules in biotechnology. Those in Brisbane ask Prof David Craik or Prof Paul Alewood at IMB/UQ or ask Prof Peter Andrews (Chief Scientific Officer, Qld Govt) and those in Melbourne ask Prof Marilyn Anderson (LaTrobe, Biochemistry Dept) ad those in NZ ask Dr Andrew Watson (Senior Advisor to the Minister from Research, Science and Technology).
6. Its name will go down in the annals of science forever!
7. This is PNG's humble contribution to the field of science.
8. Currently hold three Patents describing my inventions - perhaps the only PNGean to hold a patent!
9. Moved on from chemistry to proteomics/biochemistry to structural biology to bioinformatics to molecular biology to now microbiology - all in the last 6 years.
10. Recently, focused my efforts on Graph and Knot Theories (branches of abstract maths) - keeping my restless mind busy into the twilight hours.
11. The application of these theories are very diverse (e.g. circuit board designs, highway constructions, structural engineering, etc.)
12. Just completed a manuscript explaining that in the entire universe all graphs can be reduced to only 4 penultimate states (manuscript will be submitted to Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences-USA; will see what the reviewers will say!)
13. I used these also to explain protein structures and describe structural relations between different classes.
14. My current efforts is in Game theory - curious to see how the theory can be explained from the perspective of tribal fights in pre-colonial Highlands of PNG (DO NOT take me wrong - tribal fights are bad! But there is a lesson embedded in here that I am trying to learn!). Application: corporate pricing scheme, competition, take-over strategies, etc, etc.
15. Critics can have their field-day but I studied some things and picked up few nuggets along the way.
16. Economics is the "soft-science" and I do not claim to know much about economics, except few pointers. Scientists and economics say the same things without realising it! e.g. every observant domestic spouse knows that water when contained and subjected to cooling, i.e. put into the freezer does two things - it solidifies and gains volume - it becomes ice-cubes. When ice-cubes are placed outside regulated conditions, it liquifies (melts). That sounds like a scientist. This is what an economist would say: the economy heats up when there is excess liquidity in the system! Your financial advisor will tell you - if you have excess liquidity invest in solid assets (solidify) and it will increase in value over time!
17. here is the crux of the matter:
"And, the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shall be above only, and thou shall not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandmants of the Lord the God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:" Deuteronomy chapter 28: v13

Clement Waine
clement_waine@hotmail.com

 
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Anonymous

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

October 17 2006, 6:34 PM 

Clement you sound like a brilliant scientist even if you do say so yourself but you are one hell of a lousy economist. The simbus are waiting to give you a mathematics lesson in Simbu politics 101. You might be smart in the chemist lab but you will be last placed in Simbu politics.

 
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The world needs more of Dr. Waine than Simbu politics...

October 17 2006, 8:11 PM 


Anon,

Fact: The world needs Dr. Waine's IQ; not the 'dirty' politics of Simbu!

@wama
17 oct 2006

Another patriot PNGean who'd go the extra mile in support of high-flying PNGean's having an impact on world affairs, rather than engage in petty domestic politics!

 
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KLagaipT3

Re: The world needs more of Dr. Waine than Simbu politics...

October 17 2006, 9:33 PM 

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments!!@Wama. The World (or PNG for that matter) needs Dr. Waine's IQ and examplary attitude. Forget the dirty Simbu politics!! Hasn't he expressed himself sufficiently and intellectually to warrant his competency in policy-making and leadership??!!

Peace.

KLagaipT3
17/10/2006

 
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PEACE

Don't SAY IT, LET Others SAY IT!!!

October 19 2006, 2:02 PM 

Dear brother Clement

Firstly, I thank God for his blessings bestowed on you. "...Go and take dominion over all creation...," saith the CREATOR...So I too am on the road to attaining a status of 'permanent head damage' (PhD), apparently in the area of some hard science too! But, I am deeply mindful of the good old King Nebuchadnezzar, who once said, (paraphrased)"see, I have built the great city of Babylon and done all these other things with my own hands..." The next we hear of him is seven years of misery, chewing grass in some paddock!! I'd rather we don't crow three times more and let Peter's of PNG shy away in feelings of less self-worth, but forget our own value and and deed, and bring out the good in our people. PEACE.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Don't SAY IT, LET Others SAY IT!!!

October 19 2006, 3:28 PM 

Mi wanbel Peace! Wait for others to recognise your talents and hardwork!

 
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CJ

Thanks Dr Waine

October 19 2006, 4:27 PM 

Stating your achievements in science, for public consumption,is very good. I believe it is not done with arrogance or for others to praise you.

For me, Dr Waine has created so much interest on this pngscape and i have been wondering who is this guy. Thanks for making those infos clear. You have been transparent, and if that is an indication of your leadership potential, then let me tell you. PNG badly needs somebody new to steer this ship. Where evre you decide to stand, i hope you will have alot of support from the ordinary people.

Cheers.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

May 31 2007, 7:47 PM 

Very impressive and you really followed through on your political aspirations. Full of admiration!

 
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Anonymous

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

May 31 2007, 8:01 PM 

If you got nothing nice to say don't say anything at all...loser and you will always be a loser compared to DR W. Your petty mindedness and your laziness sitting on your fat hairy arse doing nothing but talk and doing nothing. What have you done for PNG? Take a look at yourself, you know nothing about yourself because you're too busy worrying about everybody else.

 
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use glasses

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

May 31 2007, 8:04 PM 

What ARE you talking about? Please go back and re-read Dr W's words to us before you or others go trashing him.

 
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15. Critics can have their field-day but I st

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

May 31 2007, 8:06 PM 

15. Critics can have their field-day but I studied some things and picked up few nuggets along the way.

I was especially impressed with your #15 teachings to us.

 
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Anonymous

Biblical scripture for intending candidate Waine

May 31 2007, 8:49 PM 

For everyone who tries to honor himself
shall be humbled; and he who humbles
himself shall be honored.
LUKE 14:11

 
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amazing

Re: Dr Clement - a True Son of PNG

June 1 2007, 12:01 PM 

Sorry friends but after I read the above, I find his lack of humbleness, his vainess is very hard to stomach and totally opposite of what Jesus taught us. I had no idea he was this kind of person, no idea at all. Sori tumas. He needs some tutoring in humbleness.

 
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Professor Hedili

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 10:25 AM 

What is there that we don't know?????? Its just performance evaluation of leadership qualities portrayed by leaders through events we already know...... but good evaluation in any case.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 12:20 PM 

It would interesting to read responses from the PM's (ex and current) soon.
They must tell PNG why they want to be re-elected too?


 
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TUCKS

Former PMs must respond

August 28 2006, 3:56 PM 

Former PMs must respond to this evaluation of their performance. I am sure their media and PR people are doing just that. Watch this week's papers.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Former PMs must respond

August 28 2006, 4:28 PM 

PR people? PR people don't speak the truth. They manipulate information to present those who they represent in the best possible light. That's nonsense, in a word. PR people are the last people we need to find out what's going on (or isn't going on).

 
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Wakai we

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 4:03 PM 

Professor Hedili, if you knew then why have'nt you done such a thing? Probably the good Dr is better than you professor!! It is the likes of you who know what is happening but never do any thing that is crippling this country.

Every PNG educated elites must make a stand now and this start by Dr Waine is very good. We need people to come out and talk about important issues facing the country. Only then will awareness trickle down to the grass roots, and we can hope for change. you see our people are not only ignorant, but highly illiterate and such news and developments happen for them through hearsays and stories. So we need to tell more of these stories!!

 
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liklik man

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 5:00 PM 

Rabbie Namaliu, Sir William, Paias Wingti - are the worst in our political history!

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 5:14 PM 

Yes. The Frightened Rabbit, the Stale Bisket, and Mr Painimpamuk. What wonderful people to hold up as role models.

 
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Over Taxed

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 8:35 PM 

It's quite unsettling to learn that Sir Julius Chan brought about major havoc into the economic landscape of PNG than any of the other PM's.

He appears more economic savvy on the outside and I used to admire him.
Not any more from now. However he and drums up nice sounding words to prove his wisdom and innocence, I ‘d have second thoughts in buying his ideas again.

I just learned that, deep-seated craftiness and greed lies much more deeper than what meets the eyes.

Devaluing and floating PNG Kina appears to have been the biggest economic blunder that the nation has seen and experienced over the last 10 years. The effects are eating into my pay check.


Over Taxed Middle Class Citizen
Port Moresby


 
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Manus Dude

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 28 2006, 10:21 PM 

Taxman,you really cannot blame Sir Julius Chan for the devaluation and subsequent floating of Kina. These are economic instruments that are used to correct economic imbalances in terms of budget deficit which impacted on the level of foreign reserves and the ultimate dwindling of the exchange rates agianst major trading currencies like the US$, yen and AUD$. There is a whole economic explainantion to it than what an ordinary person could understand. I would suggest you read a book called "Hard Kina Policy" (sorry I forgot the author or it may be in a monograph at NRI and UPNG library)just to appreciate the history of our currency, the linkages to other policies like the Stablization Policies its merits and demerits and why during during Sir Julius tenure they had to devaluate and float kina. Devaluation and floating are two different things and so as pegging kina. Again there is an economic rationale to those monetary instruments and its not easy for ordinary people to comment on issues like this if they don't know what they are and how they can be applied to arrest current account deficits.

Thats my 2 toea.



 
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ndrukul

sir J and the floating kina.

August 29 2006, 7:27 PM 

Sounds like the title of a porno movie doesnt it!! From informed sources, my uncle was sir js accountant for the period. he sold his airline and other assets to a shelf company he was the major silent partner in. he then transferred this large sum in actuality several tens of milloins out of the country to the united states and australia making a profit as the kina was worth 1.25 usd. he floated the kina and when the kina devalued he brought it all back in again making another substantial killing in the devaluation. he had others also in the scheme and they all benefitted. they should all be shot. i wonder if an investigation could reveal some proof? theres got to be records of this on paper!! i'll ask my uncle at christmas when he comes home.

 
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Manus Dude

Re: sir J and the floating kina.

August 29 2006, 8:52 PM 

Anah Ndurkul yu tu yah. Thenk yu tru long ol dispela nupela information long Sir J where mipela sampela i no save. Yu save bai yumi i no nap bilip inap i gat prove blong dispela. Thats something else which I believe can be investigated and if what you said is uncovered to be true, then Sir J should be prosecuted. But during that period the free fallin kina value sent businesses into panicked mode and alot of them transfered funds off shore which compunded the problem as well until Central Bank intervened to set limits on how much funds can be transferred overseas and for what reason etc etc.

 
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ndrukul

Re: sir J and the floating kina.

August 29 2006, 10:20 PM 

Wantok manus dude, ol planti dirty stori stap long ol lapun pollies ya its old history. ating yu na mi bai wokim nupla tingting long wokim kina i kamap long ples bilong em wantaim us dollar. Sapos yumi gat own reserve bilong yumi na stockim gold olsem fortknox bai i orait tru. devaluation strategies to me suggests for exsample that due to the excessive imports from overseas the outide banks hold our kina in turn for selling them the us dollars we have for our small exports. at the end of the day png has 100 million us dollars on hand here and usa has 400 milloin kina in their care. we need our kina back and they want their money so a deal is made where our kina is given back for what us dollars we have. in this scenario it becomes 1 usdollar to 4 kina and the rate is stuck there laka?

well if we had excess gold bullion in our national reserve we would keep the us dollars and pay them in gold the true value of our kina. eventually one day when this transaction is going to happen again,a gnome in the resrve bank in usa will toktok to our own mapo and we will have enough us dollars to buy back our kina at 1 to 1. then we wil be ok. rong bilong yumi em yumi save larim ol foreigners long exportim gold and we should have that the sole right of the government and its agents like us and aussie the government is the only lawful gold buyer allowed. the us had a monstrous building filled with gold bars.

Basically yumi no klia yet. Bai mitupela stat long ples. make manus a mini sucessful model of a profitable, self determined province and let the country follow province by province. mi gat bilip olsem 2007 bai yumi orait. gutnait, lukumwen long yu kaiyu.

 
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Deso

Namaliu did his bit too

August 28 2006, 8:31 PM 



Sir Rabbie did alot too, but he is not mentioned much He took over in tough times when the Bougainville crisis was at its hottest and that was before 1992 though so he probably did well under the circumstances........Julius was a millionaire before entering politics so he is a different cattle of fish....his floating of the Kina at the time was necessary, the economic climate though was not conducive.......Sir Michael is a confused man, has always been.......Wingti conveniently manipulated people with the free education policy to get in to power to secure his ailing business interests.....Mekere did his best on a level only intellectuals in the field of applied macroeconomics would understands, that's why he is not appreciated so much...but maybe the Political Parties Integrity law will where he'll be remembered most and Skatey boy......well he was never meant to be PM...he had to lowest IQ out of them all and I think he sold the country to the digs with his personality which was, well, nutty at best.

Namaliu= C Wingti= F Somare=D Skate= F minus Chan= C Mekere= C

 
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tingting

Re: Namaliu did his bit too

August 28 2006, 8:44 PM 

Namaliu - should retire at the end of this term. His handling of Foreign Affaris was the worst, his term as Prime Minister did not spark any ripples. PNG was floating on a calm water to meet the storm, while Namaliu was easily blackmailed and manipulated.

He was the first Prime Minister to face criminal charges! History will remain.

PNG need a DECISIVE Prime Minster!

 
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Anonymous

Re: Namaliu did his bit too

August 28 2006, 9:31 PM 

what criminal charges?

 
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original PNGean

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 7:47 AM 

Goood analysis..Dr Waine...At the end of everything, He is the Chief.
we all have different callings in life. He is a politician, you are a scientist. You may shake the scientific world, he will shake the political.
When he walks the length and breadth of PNG, people of all walks of life come to meet him, he just draws them to him.
He was there..he is still here...
Decisions are made by a group of men who sit down and make decisions for the country..if things have gone wrong, you cannot blame one man.
A group of men long time ago, decide to run this country by themselves (he was one of them).If the outside world knew of our natural wealth in the ground, we could be a suppressed people in our land today..you might not be a scientist in america today...
Come back and help your country if you are that concerned, unless you were born and educated in america..

Nationalist

 
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Historian

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 2:03 PM 

Brief History on PNG Kina

The Kina traded as a fixed exchange rate from September 1975 to October 1994. Under this exchange rate regime, differences in the demand from buyers of Kina and the supply from sellers of Kina were met by the Bank of Papua New Guinea through its foreign exchange reserves.

On the 10th. of October 1994, the Kina commenced trading as a floating currency. Operating under the interim Auction system, the Kina opened at 0.9200 and closed at 0.8605 against the US dollar. Under the floating exchange rate , the value of the Kina against the US dollar is set by the activity of commercial and retail buyers and sellers of foreign exchange.

http://www.bankpng.gov.pg/exchangerate/index.htm

 
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Scientist

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 2:51 PM 

Full credit to Dr Waine for the analysis.

However, given his background and training and field of expertise,I must say his analyis are superficial and only comments on what ordinary people have been commenting on. Many postings on pngscape can also attest to that fact. Nevertheless, it is a timely article to stimulate discussion and re-look at the performance of our government and especially our PMs and their cabinet ministers.

Even though the cabinet makes the decision, the buck stops with the PM.

Most people including Dr Waine do not seem to understand or comprehend the economic rational behind the floating of the kina. Floating and devaluation are two different things. The floating led to the subsequent devaluation of the kina. The value of the kina is determined by supply and demand for the kina. Due to bad economic policies caused the demand for the kina to fall thus the kina was `devalued'. Sir J made the right choice by floating the kina so that we all can really know what our kina was truely worth compared to the US dollar and other major currencies.

Since independence the central back controlled the value of the kina giving a falsely elevated Kina or at par with the US dollar. As a result most people in PNG including Dr Waine thought that our kina was truely equal to the US dollar, when it fact it was not! Sir J did the right thing to float the kina.

Nogut yumi olgeta giamin mipla yet na think olsem kina em ben strong, samthing turu yah nogat.

Thank you Sir J for floating the kina so that we can know what our kina was really worth!!



 
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Over Taxed

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 3:16 PM 

Scientist,
With due respect, I see that your comments lacks depth and substance. Period!

What really matters is the value of our PNG Kina that affects the life of our economy.

To imply that PNG operated on a fake currency from 1975 till 1994 when the Kina was devalued is the GREATEST fallacy that anyone can buy.

I salute Dr Waine for telling things as they were and/or are.




 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 4:14 PM 

Dr Waine,

I applaud your effort in giving an assessment of PNG's political performance since 1975 in The National newspaper. However, while your assessment is indisputably factual in certain respects, I wish to point out that there were many other factors apart from mere economic variables that also supplement the economic policies of these periods to bring about a satisfactory level of growth and development. Understandably in PNG politics where political allegiance and support from the divergent political groups contribute to the overall success of a policy shifting the ultimate incrimination on a Prime Minister would seem unfair.

I note that PNG’s debt service ratio has been your focal point of analysis of the various PM’s tenure. The performances of leaders and for that matter PMs cannot be measured by economic indicators alone. A leader’s performance should be measured by the consistency of a policy and the fulfillment of the objectives of a policy. Even so, other equally salient variables should be taken into account such as the overall degree of political and economic stability during the leader’s tenure as all these contribute to overall growth and development.

One area which I find utile in assessing the performance of successive “governments” (I am using this in a generic sense so as not to shift the blame on a particular individual as the performance of all pollies are inextricably tied to the overall performance of a government in a particular term) is PNG’s social and economic indicators. PNG’s Human Development ranking has declined over the years with recently the revelation of PNG depreciating to a least developing country by the UNDP.

A retrospective assessment of PNG’s position on the Human Development Index rank, where countries are categorised by the United Nations Development Program revealed an alarming depreciation. PNG was ranked 116 in 1990, 117 in 1992, 126 in 1993, 128 in 1994, 129 in 1995, 133 in 2000 and dropped drastically to 137 in 2005. Countries that are categorised as having a high human development aggregate have an HDI value of 0.800 and above while medium human development ranges from 0.500 to 0.799 while low human development countries are below 0.500. PNG was within the medium human development aggregate of 0.535 in 2000 and sank to 0.523 in 2005 — which is nine levels above the benchmark of low human development countries. And that is a really risky position in terms of PNG’s measure of governance and political capacity to address human development issues.

It is also worthy to note that the actual level of HDI for any given year may be driven more by historical events than by the current quality of governance. Nonetheless, much needs to be done by the current government and subsequent governments to improve PNG’s position on the HDI rank. The HDI index is a global assessment of the country’s achievements in the different areas of human development and the indicators provide a reference for assessing PNG’s progress towards its Millennium Development Goals and its targets.

The HDI ranking of countries is one of the pragmatic approximations that reflect the level of governance and performance of leaders. Improving PNG’s position in its human development status requires good and effective governance that will produce stability in broad policy directions, flexibility in responding to market signals and discipline in sticking with measures necessary for meeting long term objectives despite short-term difficulties. In short, PNG needs a system of governance that exercises power in a manner that provides the conditions needed for human development and growth such as stability, security and a good business climate that fosters investment, growth, jobs and higher standards of living for all people living in society.
Low investment efficiency and slow human development are almost always associated with bad policies and that these are usually the result of poor governance and bad leadership. Economic growth and human development are maximised by assuring the most efficient possible use of resources.

It is encouraging that your reflections on the performance of our leaders and PNG's development path would provoke further debate in exploring our failures and triumphs and to build on our strengths in determining a new pathway for PNG into the future.

 
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Clement Waine

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 30 2006, 10:29 AM 

Interesting discussion point. I hope others will find time to join your thread.

In fact, ALL socio-economic indicators are trending downwards (and you have chosen one HDI as a case in point). If we are serious about PNG then we need to discuss on what is happening and how we should arrest the trend.

My comments were intended to stir public debates and discussions and I am heartened by the discussions so far.

Clement
clement_waine@hotmail.com

 
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Manus Dude

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 6:25 PM 

Excuse me Mr Over taxed. You have no idea what you are talking about. These policies are not fallacy. They are economic instruments that are used elsewhere in most economies in the world with similar economic problems and unless you understand economics you will not know what devaluation, floatation and pegging of currency is all about to engage in a meaningful discussion. Even if those economic instruments where used, economists have to be on their toes to observe what the likely impacts would be and try to influence key macroeconomic indicators to offset the shocks. Thats what the Central bank and Treasury does . Although an ordinary person and all of us worry about what the impact of falling kina value will have on our standard of living, the professionals in this field do all they can to ensure that the impact is minimal. They just don't write things out of nothing its a whole science of economics that goes with it.

You really can't blame Sir Julius for floating and devaluating kina. Kina was artifically fixed against US$ and our budgetary problems only led the authorities to devalue and float Kina. Kina was never strong all along...it was only fixed.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

October 19 2009, 12:42 AM 

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Manus Dude

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 6:02 PM 

Scientist, thank you tru. I was trying to say something along those lines in my next posting but you have already answered that. My last posting only mentioned, floating, devaluation and pegging. Again these are economic concepts most people who would have no idea about. Thanks for putting that into perspective.

 
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Scientist

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 29 2006, 6:25 PM 

Over Taxed, I suggest you read again my posting.

I certainly am not implying that PNG used a faked currency. The VALUE was "falsely" elevated by the Central Bank. The "real" value is determined by supply and demand for the kina when we trade ie buying & selling/exports & imports.

Anyway, this is a good discussion going on I do not want to start off in another direction.

 
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Over Taxed

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 30 2006, 9:49 AM 

What really mattered was is even does so today is that, there was no point in devaluing and floating the Kina.

Malaysia and China have their currencies fixed against the US dollar.
This is also true for some small countries as well.

What was PNG's rationale in devaluing and floating the Kina?


 
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Manus Dude

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 30 2006, 6:43 PM 

Over taxed, do you ever imagine what the implications would be? The structure of the Chinese and the Malysian economy is not the same as PNGs and therefore you can't compare those to PNG. PNGs economy is open and small and is susceptible to shocks. We cannot influence global prices. Whatever that is applicable to China and Malaysia can not be replicated in PNG and again the rational that goes with it involves complex economics that most of us wouldn't understand even if we have studied rudimentary economics at some stage.



 
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Clement Waine

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 30 2006, 10:46 AM 

Scientist,
Here are some facts to allay your misconceived views:

1. Kina was devalued on September 12th, 1994 by 12% (that led to the currency plight alluded to elsewhere).

2. The reasons were that PNG faced a balance of payment crisis due to Chan's planned budget deficit of 5-6% of GDP the previous two years (1992-1993) and because foreign exchange reserves were at a negative US$164 million!

3. While the planned 5-6% deficit may be sustainable in the short-term due to revenue from mining and petroleum exports, it was the perfect recipe for disaster in the medium-long term. It did not last long when mining/petroleum fell short of projected earnings.

4. Chan was forced to make a tough decision - he actually had three bad/tough choices: (i) further devalue the Kina by 25-30%, (ii) use exchange controls to restrict/ban currency transactions and ration foreign currency, or (iii) float the Kina against major currencies.

5. Chan chose the third option and on October 10th 1994, acting in his capacity as the Acting Finance Minister and PM, he ceremoniously cut the ribbon to set the Kina afloat. The rest is history! You and I are living the real-life consequences to tell this story.

6. Kina fell from being on par with US dollar at the time of float (in 1994) to US$0.19 in 2001 - which was dubbed the world's record in currency free-fall in a short 7 years by international commentators!

7. That, my dear friend, is probably not the best record for us to be proud about!

Clement Waine
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ndrukul

How can Knia float.

August 30 2006, 12:21 PM 

(light hearted commentary) with all the tecnospeak and witless perusals concerning the floating of the kina. there is one major flaw that we must consider!! WE CANNOT FLOAT THE KINA AS IT HAS A HOLE IN IT!!! Recall all the kinas and patch the holes! hahahaha....
mi saveh i stupid tasol i couldnt resist the pun!

 
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Absolutely correct.

August 30 2006, 12:48 PM 

Yu tok tru wantok,
the Kina has never floated.

In fact, it has sunk without trace.

Hehehohohoohoo......Ralph.

PS. It is still miles better than the Zimbabwe, (Whatever they call it). Last time I looked it was 4 decimal points to the A$. Cheaper than Monopoly money.

 
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sc

Re:Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 30 2006, 1:21 PM 

ndrukul & Ralf,
There's a Pacific Expression Board for such jokes and expressions.

Your comments should fit in there perfectly.

This particular thread is on an important matter.

 
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Anonymous

The positive of sir J

August 30 2006, 1:56 PM 

The chief has the rspect and is the father of the nation. I would think however that sir J was one of the most hard working, decisive and most capable prime ministers in the short history of PNG.
I saw him with some of his paper work even in the planes. He was fair and did not play wantok system, like what the Sepiks are doing today.



 
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souths

Re: The positive of sir J

August 30 2006, 2:29 PM 

Amen, Anonymous. Trupla toktok blo yu stret...

 
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MS Annon

Re: The positive of sir J

August 30 2006, 3:22 PM 

U all can put down Sir J and say that he is corrupt and whateva but u guys don't know what this man has gone thru. All his efforts and hardwork has gone into the country that we all call home. Without his dedication to our country there will be NO PNG.

Yupela tingting gut before posting rubbish on this site.

Annon u tok turu.

 
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Dangke

2pa Question

August 30 2006, 5:40 PM 

Okay, it is probably fair to say that Sir J was fair and did not practice nepotism & wantokism. The Chief in this regard is just the worst when it comes to nepotism, he does that very well, or should I say that is the only thing he knows how to do well with his 'confused mind'!!

Sir J devalued the Kina, because he was forced to by the circumstances at the time. Now can somebody answer these two questions for my simple mind to diget?

1. If Sir jay hadn't devalued the Kina, then what was the likely situation that was going to happen at the time? Was our situation really desperate? Was PNG going to be a failed state back then? Or was the devaluationa strategy devised by the powers like Australia to keep us economically poor and struggling ?

2. Was there another option Sir J could have taken?

Dangke

 
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Ms Annon

Re: 2pa Question

August 31 2006, 8:24 AM 

There was probably no other option to take so he took it. It wouldn't have been an on the spot decision he would have thought long and hard about it before deciding to go ahead with it. Sir J is a man of his words he thinks about ALL options before taking that best one.

You cannot put all this shyte on this man, you blame all the prime ministers that come into the palament after him that stuffed up the economy and the devaluation in our currency.

 
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Over Taxed

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 31 2006, 8:57 AM 

All the PM's should by now be ready to respond to their performance assesment by Dr Waine. The article appeared last week on Friday; 25/08/06.

The public is waiting to see/hear their reaction.
It's better we hear it from the horse's mouths. Unfortunately Sir Will Skate is not here to respond to his side of the story.

For record, the living and kicking PM's must tell us. We will form our own opinions.



 
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Stonet

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

August 31 2006, 11:15 AM 

I don't know if any of the ex-PM will provide answers to this article. I guess Mekere will do so to some degree. The rest of them are no way near to make intellectual discussions like this article. If they are to respond, they will have to read it out from a written speech. You gotta remember that most of those decisions where influenced, justified and to some extend made by foreign advisers. Unless these ex-PM find those advisers again to write another explanation speech for them to read out, they will never respond to the article.

 
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Anonymous

We need tougher laws!!

August 31 2006, 2:05 PM 

It is clear that all our PMs have been dumbs, because they have been and continue to listen to ill advice. They have been doing so for the last 31 years!!

What we need now is a leader who has a grasp of the real issues. ie. The debt burden & socioeconomic problems that are besetting us, and must know what to do to arrest the current trend and bring back the confidence of our people in our system of governance.

The root cause of our problems is POLITICIANS. The way we understand politics is that all the riches are in the 'Haus Tambaran' and every Tom, Dick and Harry are scuabbling to get in there, hence the frenzy at election times. Though related, there has to be a clear demarcation between politics, the public service or rather the legislative, Executive, and Judiciary arms of Govt. At the moment there is no such thing, as politics/legistlative runs all the shows. There is systemised corruption as in the words of Mekere Morauta.

So you see, our problems are not solved; the root causes of are corruption are not addressed. And that has to be addressed at the at the highest level, from the PM and politicians down to the Heads of Departments etc.Then others down the line should fall in line.

What I want is tougher laws to deter these people from corrupting and misappropriating their offices, powers. For example:

1. Corruption in political office, Corruption as HOD- and misuse of amounts exceeding 50,000 - Death by hanging/Firing squad.

2. Missuse/appropriation of 5-50,000 - life imprisionment.

Every leader, Secratery, manager, principal or headteacher must be subjected to very tough scrutiny as a custodian of offices belonging to the people.

EM NOW STRONGPLA LAW NAU BAI OL MAN PORET PASTEM NA BAI WOK STRET.

But then who will make these laws?? The pollies will not make these laws because they will "fall by their own swords." What about a REVOLUTION?

 
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Scientist

Re: We need tougher laws!!

August 31 2006, 7:19 PM 

Dr Waine,

thank you for clearing the air correcting me on the differences between `devalueing` kina and `floating` kina. At least now I know which came first!

However, I still think that Sir J did the right thing given the circumstances.

My question to back to you Dr Waine (and anybody) is that what should have Sir J done under the circumstances that forced him to devalue the kina and susequently float the kina? Critise but give alternatives. If you do not have alternatives than do not critise at all!

I do not think Sir J should be sole held accountable for fall in the kina. It was the result of many bad decisions before him.


 
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Anonymous

There was no need to devalue and float the kina

September 3 2006, 7:11 PM 

Sir Julius Chan should have played it alittle longer, because as Dr Waine points out, the situation did improve a little or should I say some of the resource projects came onstream and were producing. Hence if we had waited alittle longer, just a little longer, than there wouldn'nt have been any need to devalue and float the kina.

The fact of the matter is that, that was the only Decision that has had the most profound effect and continues to affect our lives deeply and will continue to do so. Imagine a PNG Kina the same as US dollar now??? Where would we be?

 
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Anonymous

Re: There was no need to devalue and float the kina

September 3 2006, 7:18 PM 

And imagine what the impact would be now (Kina being fixed). There is always two sides to the story and in economics thats always that side with its implications as well

 
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Hetman

Dr Waine start a newspaper column

September 6 2006, 12:25 PM 

I applaud Dr Waine's initiative in an indepth analysis of PNGs Prime Ministers. They are the major opinion leaders and architects of PNGs destinee, and eventhough their decisions are influenced by others, it is they who are solely responsible for making the final decision. Hence, every aspect of their performance has to be critically analysed from every perspective and development pathways/options have to to be plotted and suggested for them to consider and implement all with the view of guiding our country out of the economic doldrums of the last 30 years.

Lets forget the rhethoric of PNG being rich in resources and poor in cash. Our problems will not change until our leaders know "where' we must go and importantly "how" we can get there.The case now is that PMs just jump behind the wheel of the ship 'MVPNG'and steer when they see a 'reef or an obstacle'in the path. They have to 'hover above in a helicoter' and can have a better view ahead and then steer the ship.

We need to start some where, rather than rhethorics on these forums on the net. I suggest Dr Waine should start a weekly newspaper column like another compatriot, Dr Micheal Unage on the National, who talks about a wide range of issues. My suggestion is for Dr Waine to start such a column and solely focus on politics and the issues of governance, so that the wider community is kept informed and should have a say and opinion in issues pertinent to our positive growth and development as a nation. (A supposedly rich nation) The start last week by Dr Waine on 'Focus' was excellent and I'd like Dr Waine to please continue the same every week.

Cheers.

Hetman.

 
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miaK

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 10 2006, 8:07 PM 

All the former Prime Ministers and the current PM have succeeded in one thing.

That is, they have successfully "build up to the neck" debts for an innocent generation. That generation will live with not many resources around to pay up the debt. Will they ever pay them?

The PM's have all allowed foreigners to plunder our resources with insignificant returns to the country.

All these idiots' time is up.
We need real thinkers/planners and administrators who are wise and futuristic in their conduct.

PNGeans need to think smarter and ACT now.


 
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Anonymous

Clement Waine is a political candidate

September 11 2006, 12:28 AM 

Congratulations to Clement Waine for writing his article. I wonder if he is only writing his article now that he is running for politics. Clement Waine is running for Simbu Regional seat in 2007. He has told his supporters that he is coming in with US$2 million to fund his campaign in Simbu. Wonder what promises he made to get that money???????

 
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Observor

Is Clement Waine a Simbu or is he a Papuan?

September 11 2006, 9:11 AM 

That explains alot. If Waine really wanted to run for elections he would be back home already so that the people of Simbu could see him around. The guy spends more time in his wife's place in Central than in Simbu anyway.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Is Clement Waine a Simbu or is he a Papuan?

September 11 2006, 9:25 AM 

obsever you r not a very good obsever are you?

a silly thing to say.

people should should at pngeans as pngeans, not they are are from. And pngean has nothing on offer to Clement. Goes to show you have not read his opening statement.

 
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Clement Waine

Re: Is Clement Waine a Simbu or is he a Papuan?

September 11 2006, 11:08 AM 

I only visited Central Province once in 10 yrs!!!!
My home and property in Simbu were burnt down after elections 2002 (tribal war between two rival candidates - one is now enjoying the luxury that comes with being a Minister in Govt).

My parents are currently living in Kundiawa.
I live and work in USA (been here for 5yrs now).

For your records, I am both a Papuan and a New Guinean - that what makes me a Papua New Guinean.

My wife and I pride ourselves for being amongst the few that "truly" unite Papua and New Guinea sides of the country!!! Ha-ha-ha!!!

Clement Waine
clement_waine@hotmail.com

 
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HETMAN

Dr Wanbel stap

September 11 2006, 12:39 PM 

Dr Waine,

I dont care whether you are from Simbu or hanuabada or tari. What I have seen from your analysis shows you have a grasp of the political and economic mechanisms that this country's so called leaders badly lack.However, if you are thinking like Peti lafanama and Peter Waieng then, dont come to stand in the elections. You may win but your impact will be minimal and belie the enormous expectation you have created in PNG now. You now seem to be the great black(or white )hope for PNG.

At least we need somebody new and inspiring on the PNG political lanscape. Welcome lo Simbu. Mi bai stap lo Kerowagi.

 
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Performance Rating for PMs

October 17 2006, 2:24 PM 

Original PNGean

While everybody is carried away by Dr Waine analysis I salute you for being a critics in the forum.

However in PNG when one come up with good comments like Dr Waine, only political cronies or business associates can come up with such.

Hope you are neutral.

 
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R A

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 13 2006, 1:39 PM 

My dear brother Clement,

Thankyou very much for simplifying and laying out these astounding facts & figures for Papua New Guineans to see for themselves.

You are truly a gifted scientist & an excellent political comentator - Papua New Guineans deserve to learn the truth about the state of our nations economy and who were primarily responsible for the collapse of our nation. Thank God there is someone like you who can simplify the message and deliver it in a stunning style for all to read.

Very proud as a tribesman.



R A
Birmingham
England

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 13 2006, 2:03 PM 

My brotherly advice to Dr. Clement. You are a shinning light but a major target of evil things to which Chimbu is known for it. Bro, may I ask you to stay away from Politics and enjoy your job than risking yourself with those evil stuff to which you should be familiar of. I mean Sanguma bilong Simbu i no liklik. Yu yet skelim.
Regards.

 
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Ples Dr

Sanguma????

September 13 2006, 4:05 PM 

Anon,

Your brotherly advice about Sanguma is irelevant here. We are talking about saving the country. And Clement has said, They can write on his gravestone; "He tried and failed". The guy is determined to go and some of us are looking forward to supporting him for a change, even if it means they can all write on our gravestones the same. You can worry if you dont have higher protection (From God)otherwise the good doctor does not have to worry about Sanguma.


 
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Anonymous

Re: Sanguma????

September 13 2006, 4:18 PM 

There are a breed of young minds that are filled with the Spirit of God that don't fear the evil.

Sunguma save ronowe long people like us, and Clement is no exception.

ManMountain.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 13 2006, 11:56 PM 

mmmmmmmmmmmm....I think I am seeing 'envy' & 'jealousy' written in disguise in this posting.

 
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Karamui

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 14 2006, 12:13 AM 

Anonymous,

Come off it mate! You sound ever so out of touch with the fact that spiritual practices & beliefs existed in all corners of PNG for years. It also amazes me to see that you still believe in this practices in current times!

Nobody including yourself have any right to hold anybody at ransom with an uncivilised attitude and making us believe that we are going to be killed if we return home for elections or whatever.

It is unfortunate to see that you have stooped yourself low by becoming a subject of such beliefs & practises. Quite simply, they are primitive & uncivilised beliefs that will have no impact on what we want to do in Simbu or PNG.

To cut the chase, I think you could simply be jealous of Clement & the fact that he is from Simbu.

Karamui


 
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Yman

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 14 2006, 1:53 AM 

Shame!
So far NO PRIME MINISTER (former) had the courage to come out and debate or criticize Clements analysis! Or maybe ill wait for tomorrows papers..??

Yman

 
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Cloudy

No response!!

September 14 2006, 4:16 PM 


Yes, this was big news in the 'focus section'of the national some weeks back, and many PNGeans have read it. Some have bcome out in the dailies commenting on the article by Dr Waine.

However, there has been no response, detailed or otherwise from these former PMs or anyone associated with them. Doesn't look good for good goverrnance and transparency when leaders of these caliber are caught pants down with someone analytical and critcal enough to piece the puzzles together and simplyfy it for the consumption of every average PNGean.

Now that the election is arround the corner, I also see no political movements of any significance, in terms of comming up with good policies for doing something for the country, except the old ones reorganizing here and there. We just cannot vote in any old parties, they've run out of all their ideas. They have FAILED us so we must look for new ones. Let us look at some new parties with exceptional people behind them.

From the postings on the other boards on scape, Dr Waine might want to confirm or deny if he intends to run with a political party of his own next year?

Cheers.




 
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Anonymous

Re: No response!!

September 15 2006, 5:04 AM 

Hi guys, it me, with the brotherly advice. I'm not from Chimbu, I'm not jealous and I don't care what the F goes on in PNG or Simbu politics. I am just too cautious about what I see in Chimbu. I've seen many priests and pilots dying at early ages and am concerned. Go ahead and show your democratic rights. I'm not stopping you.

 
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Anonymous

Re: No response!!

September 15 2006, 9:49 AM 

Thanks & get out of here if you have nothing 'good' to offer!

 
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Moroma

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

October 18 2006, 9:33 AM 

Former Prime Ministers don't waste their time responding to half baked truths and assessments from "OUTSIDERS".

You have to be among them to know the truth.

They are just human beings.

Be nice to them and have a beer with them. You will know how they operate.

Never question their intelligence. They are smart cookies that do know politics as they are in the heart of it.

For you people out there that really want to make a difference to this country, I'd say stop sitting behind your terminals and comment. Get out to the doors of parliament and socialise with politicians and prime ministers.

Only then will you know the truths and subsequently influence decissions. They may lack some understanding in certain areas as it may not be their specialty and this is where you and I guide them.

Dr Waine, don't step into economic analysis and interpretations. PNG invested time and money in these kind of people. They will guide PNG. PNG invested in your Chemistry Career and you are one good one in it. Prime Ministers do need you in Chemistry. You will add more value and depth that way.

It is our "SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY" to co-operate and put this country back on track.

 
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Kumul Patriot

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 16 2006, 1:16 AM 

Wantoks, I was wondering if any of the accused former Prime Ministers have made any construstive response to Dr. Waine's article? Like most readers I am eagerly awaiting one of them or their so-called brilliant "advisors" to reply to this detail & indepth criticism labelled at them by Dr. Waine.

The nation is watching and waiting to hear from them.

Kumul Patriot

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 16 2006, 8:06 AM 

You know what I think they think?

I imagine them thinking: who is Dr Clement Waine.

They think they have bigger balls than Clement and the rest of us.

Just my thought.

I don't expect any response from them, why should I anticipate one anyways?

ManMountain
Patriotic-PNG-Club

 
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Anonymous

Just a thought!

September 18 2006, 12:25 AM 

Guys, enough of all these! Believe me, when you are outside you're able to see the weaknesses of those MPs or PMs for that matter. But even if Clement or anyone whoever goes into Haus Tambaran they don't seem to see where they're heading. It's been like that ever since independence. I think we need to demolish that haus Tambaran and build a new Parliment house or may be need to change our culture.

Curious

 
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Anonymous

Re: Just a thought!

September 18 2006, 6:26 AM 

Ol Sepik wokim puripuri long haus tambaran so it's already cursed. Any person that enters parliament get marinated & sepikinized. And that includes Lady Kidu & King Martin Luther Wenge...or even Yami Livingstone Yawari.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Just a thought!

September 18 2006, 11:57 PM 

Plis o Plis....ol nem ya mi laf dai ya.
-King Martin Luther Wenge Song
-Hami Livingstone Lincoln Yawari

 
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An educated view deserves intelligent response

September 19 2006, 10:00 AM 

An educated view deserves intelligent response

THE National recently published an article by Dr Clement Waine in which he also rated the five prime ministers this country has had so far.
He gave a pass to Paias Wingti, Sir Mekere Morauta, Sir Rabbie Namaliu, Sir Julius Chan and Sir William Skate and an upper pass to Sir Michael Somare, who is back in the seat after serving less than his full term after the country gained independence.None of them had come out to clear their names. Personally, I think they cannot do so.

Dr Waine probably hit the nail on the head. It was a well-researched article.
He said there is a vacuum in the policies of the past, and even the present Government.

Can any political party come out to assure the people that they can deliver the country out of this foreign debt (PGK$7.5 billion, if I am not wrong) instead of adding more to it every year?

It calls for realistic and workable policies. Some of the leaders today were also leaders in the past. What, then, can we hope for the future?
Thank you, Dr Waine, for educating the people of Papua New Guinea without fear or favour.

Steven Pona,
Port Moresby

http://www.thenational.com.pg/091906/letter3.htm


 
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Anonymous

Re: An educated view deserves intelligent response

September 19 2006, 10:37 AM 

Julius Chan, the corrupt PM that spent K100 million (we didn't get most of that money back) to hire Sandline to kill Bougainvilleans is given a "pass" by Dr Waine?

Common sense seems to have flown out the window!

 
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Mangi blo ples

Re: An educated view deserves intelligent response

September 19 2006, 12:25 PM 

My ratings, based on Dr.Waine's analysis are;

Sir Juliius - FAIL

RABBIE & SKATE - PASS

Somare, Wingti, Mekere - Upper Pass

 
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Anonymous

Re: An educated view deserves intelligent response

September 19 2006, 1:20 PM 

Mangi blo Ples..? you handle say it, you have not idea on what you are saying. Put Wingti in Failed, bring Sir J up to Sir Michael and Sir Mek.

 
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Anonymous

Re: An educated view deserves intelligent response

September 19 2006, 1:33 PM 

How can you give Wingty an upper pass when he has been associated with Chan and even Morauta with the Cayman deals? Even Somare doesnot deserve an upperpass. This is because he hasn't done enough or should I say optimally utilised his position and time to strenghten beauracratic systems and introduce better laws to provide a platform for good governance and development.

For example, compensations and ethnic violence need to be outlawed; Corruption has to be addressed with stronger laws. Somare set an enquiry into the Finance saga involving mostly Sepiks, now do you think they will get to the bottom of it?

On the ecomonmic front the little gains realised in his term of office has to be translated into real gains in the lifes of people through sustainable and strategical policy mechanisms.His MTDLS has to be aggressively pursued to develop the mechanisims/infrastructure such as good roads that will drive the ecomomy.

My bottom line here is he is not doing enough in the time he has been given through the stability provided by the Morauta governmnet through the Integrity Bill, a bill he vigorously opposed in 2001.


 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 19 2006, 3:28 PM 

Why did Dr Waine submit this to the Rimbunan Hijau owned newspaper, instead of sending it to the Post Courier?

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 21 2006, 9:16 PM 

I think this thread has scored the highest response on scape if I am not wrong, and yes the postings were good in the begining, but seems to have fallen off and deviated to a lesser cause. However, we need to take this further to the next level as the elections are arround the corner and every PNGean brains on this boards need to come up with what is best for PNG.

Compilation and analysing of data has been part of accademia for ages, so for a start, Can we have the good Doctor spell out how he sees the way the country needs to be run?

 
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miaK

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 22 2006, 9:17 PM 

No former PM has commented on this article yet. Could it be that Dr Waine has successfully hit the nail firmly on the head and as such these PMs
have no counter argument....I think I might just be right!!


 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

September 22 2006, 10:02 PM 

Of course, you need to be intelligent to respond and I doubt any of them are.

 
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Good Stuff!

September 22 2006, 10:51 PM 

Honest, I thought this site was doomed with unintelligent and ill informed discussions but so far so good.

Thanks Dr Waine for the insights, it really does shed some light and knits together the puzzle to some of our smaller minds.

Keep up the good work,


 
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Anonymous

Dr Clement Waine for PM

October 8 2006, 12:20 AM 

Dr Waine must be given the chance to run the country after elections next year. He seems to have some idea about running thgis country back into prosperity.

The others who's names are bandied about like Maxtone Graham, Bart Philemon, Peter Ipatas etc as PMs are just useless current politicians. They have all failed this great country.

 
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Ratings for PM's

October 12 2006, 2:53 PM 

(a) ........ 1 + 1 = 2 ...........

(b) ........ Apply heat to water at 100% ... it turns to air.....

(c) ........ Throw a stone into the air ... it falls down to earth ..........

(c) ....... When the economy deteriorates .... what does Dr Clement Oops!!!! Waine …. know about how to get it back on track? What is economic deterioration? What is social deterioration? What is infrastructure deterioration? What is country building? What is social engineering? What is politics? What is economics? What is desire? What is satisfaction? ...................to ask a few "SOCIAL QUESTIONS" ....

These are broad questions in themselves.

It is a shame seeing highly specialised people trying to get into roles that are not their specialty. The government and the country invested so much money educating specialists to see them throwing their education and investment down the drain and aspiring for roles they were not trained/groomed for.

Clement, your are better off manipulating elements and molecules to help save the global community in whatever way you can.

It is a shame seeing such highly qualified specialists like yourself coming so low to contest the elections.

I have seen "Grasshoppers and Lizards" contesting elections. The likes of Kerenga Rabisman (if you know what I mean) and performed very well and surpassed highly educated and "POLITICS" qualified people (if you know what I mean).

Sane professionals like you had better stick to your career as you will contribute more meaningfully to the world.

I have seen some of your big brothers giving up their "Chemistry" profession to take up other roles and lasted less than 5 years in those new roles. Not only that but we no longer hear anything about them or their whereabouts now (If you know what I am refering to).

Prime Minister? ....... Oops!!!!! its not for you in 2007. Put simply "Lacking Experience". Need another 10 years in Parliament to make a good one.

REMEMBER, your ELEMENTS and MOLECULES don't "TALK". Humans do talk. As a practical example look at all the comments in the topic that you introduced.

Some are "MAN" commenting while others are "GHECKO and GRASSHOPPERS" commenting. Only you can judge who is a “MAN” commenting and who is a “GRASSHOPPER” commenting.

My suggestion as a good brother is "PRINT OUT EVERYTHING PEOPLE SAID AND THOROUGHLY READ AND DIGEST AND SEPARATE THE COMMENTS OF MAN FROM ANIMALS".

I sure do admire your "CHEMISTRY" but I do doubt your "POLITICS".

Wish you good luck if ever you wish to continue with your "POLITICS HAT".

A good LITMUS TEST in POLITICS would be your NCD candidate in the 2006 by election. Too many candidates and I did not get to see where your candidate was but I sure do understand you have keen interest in your candidates.

Only a “POLITICS” smart person will use it as a litmus test.

And mind you…… Those Prime Ministers you tried to criticise, they held the country up together for people like yourself while you were young and outside. Put simply “YOUR COMMENTS ARE HARSH”.

Different Prime Ministers came into being at different times. Some time were good and some times were bad. For a good analysis, remove the noise.


 
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PNGian

Re: Ratings for PM's

October 12 2006, 4:37 PM 

All politicians do not have to get some sort of political schooling before they attempt to be one.

It is the convictions and personal determination of one that makes him/her sells his/her ideas/convictions to the public so that they can decide if he/she is worth their trust. They are people who can analyse truths from myth, weigh options then think clearly and act decisively.

It has been seen somewhere in this forum that Dr. Waine echoed this profound saying to be inscribed on his gravestone" He tried and failed".

This man has some powerful convictions that the people need to read and know.
Hence people need to refrain from throwing comments here and there like some doomsday preachers.

 
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observer

Politics to politicians

October 12 2006, 5:17 PM 

So much has been said regarding this topic and I am also repeating here again.

The prime ministers job is anybodies. If anyone wants to be the PM, OK ... go for it. It is the people that decide. But sadly, ALL our voters are shortsighted. They care-less about the future of their children, let alone PNG.

If there is any indication from this forum I think All the contributors to this forum really care about PNG and most seem to be learned professionals.

I for one think PNG needs your expertise in whatever field you are specialized in. This will be the best way for PNG to go forward. Let Politics to the Politicians. And if one decides to enter politics, try it when you are about to retire, because by then you would have accumulated a wealth of experience that will be required by PNG. PNG is losing aspiring processionals and it is spiraling down.

Where are we after 31yrs of independence? Are we progressing? No...

PNG is in dire straits because of this. Once someone makes a name for himself/herself in the public or business arena, Politics is the first thing that comes to mind. Let’s forget this mentality.

Some of politicians would be better public servants or businessman than Politicians.





 
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Anonymous

Some has got to do something!

October 12 2006, 8:31 PM 

Everyone including the most ignorant and uneducated villager knows our country is going to the dogs. For many educated elites their jobs, families, business and their selfinterests are paramount, and that is a good thing. We can go overseas and get employed and settle down to a 'civilized' lifestyle, far removed from the realities facing our families and people. All of us can be complacent and satisfied with our little lives and comfort zones, and forget about politics, and issues affecting our country. But how will PNG progress? who will do it for us? Are we going to leave our counrty to this current crop of politicians who are far shortsighted?

Our underlying concern here is that our people people face untold hardships on a daily basis. The only means to correct that anomality in a profound way, is through politics, and that will mean some of us have to make a stand. We need to make a sacrifice, if need be.

Now if someone is comming down from such a high pedestal in society like this Clement Waine fellow to take that challenge, then that person has some concern for the lives of our people. This person has got balls most of us dont and will never have.

We need a new breed of leaders with the education, drive and vision to turn this land of potential into realities reflected positively in low maternal rates, increased economic and employmnet opportunities, access to health and education, better drinking water, good roads ect, which should empower our people to be self sufficient and enjoy better lives. We are not empowering our people!! Any man who can do this is the 'REAL MAN.' So Id say Go Dr Waine!!





 
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miaK

PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 12 2006, 8:55 PM 

I am afraid, I have to repost this posting. Incidently, it has been posted in response to another topic - very similar this.

The way a nation develops, prospers and progresses demonstrates a direct linkage on the type and savyness of political leadership that, that nation has. I repeat, political leadership!!

The only leadership that is responsible for setting the very foundations upon which developments of all sorts can hinge upon in a country is POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. This leadership determines the best platforms and policies that underpin every facet of development. Be it, geo-political relationships, economic and social change, all swings in this pendulum.

Sometimes the subjects of this leadership bracket need to prove themselves through other avenues of leadership channels first. Having a solid background information and being well versed with issues of leadership are essential experiences and challenges that needs to be relied upon to be proactive and decisive on issues that concerns a wider scope of people and their interests for time immortal.

To this end, it is imperative that the country chooses and stands behind those kinds of people.

All stereotypes, prejudice and half-baked opinions aside, I would vote for typical up and coming leaders like Dr. Clement Waine. He has the character, the experience, the depth of understanding and the brain to make this nation tick.

Dr Waine is not from a league that deserves tongue-lashing. Those who dare to do so need to challenge him with their own records in life.

The apparent cynicism and derision which appears to raise its ugly head here is largely due to a genuine lack of understanding of his beliefs and goals. This brilliant son of PNG has demonstrated that, he lives and breathes politics with a passionate desire to evoke benevolent political leadership. He deserves my favoritism tag.

For a United and a prosperous PNG's sake we need to mobilise behind man like this. I am not from Simbu nor and I from his wifes place,however, I am a proud PNGean who loves the country.

Is this the kind of mindset, that you have?

miaK



 
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Moroma

PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 9:05 AM 

PNG has always had real leaders even unto this day. Look at the calibre of people that we now have in Parliament and those that are outside of it. We are limited to better alternatives.

You try get into parliament and see what I mean, "IF YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE".

We have had young emotional unqualified aspiring leaders came up over the last few elections and steered the country towards the dogs.

God resent the "OLD MAN" to make a last dire atempt to save the country and we see the results now.

Inexperienced aspiring politicians got in and didn't know what to do as leaders for five years. Some stayed on and are delivering now. Others left the political arena through the mandated voting process or the court process and are out in the wilderness like the most of us.

The best you can do is call a meeting with one existing politician and talk to him regarding his successes and failures and see if he/she can change for the better. Only them will god bless you for influencing a leader to be a better leader.

Forget the "BULL****" about young aspiring leaders. Let them get in and proof themselves to be worthy of either getting in to the "SACRED HOUSE" and/or serve their second term.

I have been around to see alot of elections and have seen young aspiring politicians coming in to be indecisive.

"RESPECT THE ELDERS AND WORK WITH THEM FOR A BETTER PNG AS THEY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND THE WISDOM THAT COMES WITH IT".

 
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miaK

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 9:14 AM 

Elaborate and qualify these statements. I will respond after that.

"We are limited to better alternatives".

"God resent the "OLD MAN" to make a last dire atempt to save the country and we see the results now".


miaK

 
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Moroma

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 9:51 AM 

Maybe you do not know what is going on in Papua New Guinea right now. Do some more research.

No need for explanations.

Don't you see the economy improving right now after the "OLD MAN" came back. And mind you I am not from Sepik.

 
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miaK

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 10:05 AM 

There's no need to be jumpy here as no implication was made.
The statements that you made were vague and needed that ounce of clarity.
That will help us to debate reasonably.

So the logical step at your doorstep is to elaborate so we can discuss further.


miaK



 
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Moroma

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 10:40 AM 

The "OLD MAN" here refers to the "GRAND CHIEF SOMARE". Prior to him taking the steering wheel as the Prime Minister, the country was going down the drain. Everybody was saying the country is sick, even prior to 2002 National Elections. After he took the reign, the economy stabilised. Exchange rate against US$ picked up from US$0.29 to now at US$0.3133 as we speak. The inflation rate dropped from a high 15% to now settling at -2.3% as we speak. Foreign reserves improved to over a billion. Employment increased by 7.7%. Interest rates dropped from a high 16% to 7%, and for the first time in a long time that the Real GDP is improving, ............... And the list of goodies goes on.

These are very strong indicators in themselves to support my earlier statement that the "OLD MAN" was god sent to save the country from the dogs.

I have witnessed alot of people praying to god prior to 2002 general elections and looks like he has answered their prayers in giving us back the "OLD MAN".

I do know alot of other critiques would say it is other "GOOD GUYS" like Bart Philemon (and yes, he is a great leader) did the hard work. This is very true, but in history, "KINGS" get the glorry, not "SOLDIERS". The "GRAND CHIEF" deserves the glorry.

If you do live in PNG, and lived prior to 2002, and if you are a "COMMONER" like myself, you would understand. We saw prices increase averaging 15-20% and regularly. It made my heart ache. I am pleased to see it get back on track, and then we get young aspiring leaders criticising the efforts of those that are in the steering wheel and those that go before us.

For once can we leave them to continue the good work .............

We are limited to good leaders .................

That is based on my observation. Young aspiring politicians did come up and go into our "SACRED HOUSE" but what difference did they make. If your have access to the heart of political circles I will say you are a learned man and whatever you say will have merrit. If you are a commoner like myself looking in from the outside, we have been ,mislead all along. Don't ever think things in the "SACRED HOUSE" is what we common people see outside. Thats why young aspiring politicians that get voted in only lasted on term until they are removed via the "POLLING PROCESS" or the "COURT PROCESS".

Enough from me!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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Clement Waine

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 11:06 AM 

The turn-around in the economy came about from the fact that since 2002 all commodities and mining/petroleum prices on the global markets headed northwards leading to expanded revenue from these products. It was not because of any single policy initiative by the current govt. There is no net increase is tree crop productions, inspite of the bumper harvests, bullish prices on the commodity markets and the much taunted Green Revolution (which is really a pie in the sky - a policy initiative by this govt). The present govt remains a better custodian of the present situation but "chronically lethargic" to break into the next level of sustainable growth.

The biggest challenge remains - to INSULATE the economy against external fluctuations. This is the biggest challenge for the country and any politician that offers a better solution(s) gets my vote! I doubt the current govt has the slightest idea about what to do.

Macroeconomic stability came from fiscal restraint, which is a sustainable policy per se. The savings from this, which amounted to a little over K400 million, was handed over to Oil Search (for the pipe-dream). Now we hear that the govt is expecting a surplus and my prediction is that it will still be handed over to Oil Search - for the same pipe-dream!

The effect of MTDS is yet to be seen in the broader sectors. Philemon's recent remarks regarding institutionalising this program should be taken on board.

Improvements in infrastructure is expected from any govt - in fact govts present and future are duty-bound to ensure infrastructure (both physical and virtual) and kept updated and maintained, in order to improve the people's mobility and develop the country.

The second biggest challenge is how we mobilize and empower the 85% of the population deeply entrenched in the informal sector! The ripple effects will significantly boost the domestic economy. This is the sector that has been neglected since independence and are now drifting in to the cities and towns, creating havoc everywhere.

clement_waine@hotmail.com


 
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Moroma

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 12:27 PM 

Clement,

You do not understand the mere fact that "GLORY GOES TO KINGS" not to "COMMODITITIES" or "SOLDIERS".

In my earlier note I stated that;

1+1 = 2.
Water when heated to 100 degrees evaporates.

COUNTRY MANAGEMENT IS MORE THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!

IF YOU THINK YOU ARE ONE GOOD NATIONALIST, BULID ON FROM WHERE YOUR ELDER BROTHERS IN THE LIKES OF "GRAND CHIEF" HAVE LEFT. AND MIND YOU. THE COUNTRY IS NOW IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND IMPROVING. I CAN TESTIFY THIS IN PUBLIC, EVEN AT TABARI PLACE.


THE GRAND CHIEF DESERVE ALL THE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD MANAGEMENT.

Do not try to promote your political ambitions by trying to discredit the work of the "GRAND CHIEF" and his team.

 
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PNGean

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 11:05 AM 

To: miaK

PNG politics has been tainted with continuous votes of no confidence after every six months or so since 1975 with the first successful one in 1980 when Sir Julius ousted Sir Michael’s Pangu Pati. Okuk’s dream to be the first PM from the highlands region evaporated. There has been no political continuity and importantly stability in PNG politics since then. A lot of opportunist politicians and wanna be prime ministers as seem to be the common utterance by individuals such as Ipatas, Lus and Maxtone Graham now had taken centre stage since 1980. We have suffered as a country for the last 26 years, but PNG has turned around from this trend of instability in the last five years.

miaK, before responding to Moroma consider the following.

1. Take a look at the success of South East Asian Economies. For instance Singapore and Malaysia, among other factors, political continuity and stability and going by the established rule of law catapulted these countries to where they are now, economically.

An Australian TV journalist interviewed PM Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore when he was PM and asked him to reflect on perceptions from Australia that his rule was dictatorial and to some extend draconian to which PM Lee responded. ‘I have no apologies to make to anyone for the way I managed Singapore. If I did not manage my country the way I did, Singapore would not be where it is now.’

The essence of the matter is political continuity and stability can bring about positive results. We in PNG may have had ‘too much democracy’ I think to our own detriment.

2. On this forum, Dr Waine critically analysed the financial borrowings by PNG under the 5 PMs. Another perspective to add to the debate on the next ideal PM for PNG would have been to analyse how each of the last PMs were elected to the position. Regrettably, more than 1 of them was through the abuse of the provision of a vote of no confidence. You can name them and then stand them all against Sir Michael whom Dr. Waine rated as upper pass.

Check the PNG Parliament Hansard and you will note the following. The current PM Sir Michael;

a) Had not nominated himself or another of his political ally as an alternate PM in a proposed vote of no confidence,

b) Had not accepted his nomination as an alternate PM when in opposition,

c)Led governments in 1982 with Pangu Pati with a near absolute majority (of about 52?) after the general lections,

d)Again is leading the current government at the invitation of the GG with his NA party after having won majority of the seats in the 2002 general elections.

If only Sir Michael was younger I would not mind seeing him continue after the 2007 general elections.

Finally, I am a Papua New Guinean like you miaK, neither a Sepik nor an NA supporter.

 
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Clement Waine

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 10:34 AM 

miaK,
Touche' for the above posting.
I could not have said it any better!

clement_waine@hotmail.com

 
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observer

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 11:30 AM 


Moroma, you sound more or less like one of the old brigades.

Mind you, we are not limited to good leaders; the problem I’d say is ‘there is no passion in them’. PNG needs someone with passion and as informed people as we are, we should/must identify a suitable passionate and charismatic young leader in the current house or whoever is willing to take this challenge.

Do not take me wrong. Chief Somare was wonderful but not now. With his credible standing he stepped in and has restored some credibility back because there was no one suitable to steer back the country from ruins. We need someone with charisma and energy for change and a passion for development for his/her beloved PNG.

 
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Anonymous

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 12:49 PM 

miaK, I am not from the old brigade,

I am 35 and an average national. I am not from NA, nor do I know the GRAND CHIEF PERSONALLY. But I do walk the streets of Port Moresby. How does that sound.

I have lived long enough to see a lot of young politicians come about with bright ideas claiming they are the "MESIAH" (to the extreme) and mention the names of treasured politicians like the Late Sir Iambakey Okuk (I do regard him as a great leader) and stating he has given them keys to continue the good work that he left behind. When they get elected, they move down to Port Moresby and become permanent residents and move houses every three MONTHS to run away from their voters. Are these kind of people leaders leading the flock or trying to make the parliament as an alternate employment avenue to make a living for their family. In the process they almost ran the country to bankruptcy. If you do recall, there were talks of bankruptcy 5 years ago.

Now that the country is improving whilst in the hands of some enlightened and genuine nationalists, we have young guys attacking them, merely to gain political millage.

Young leader??????????? Oops, get in to parliament and prove your worth. Don't become another "MESSIAH", "MAN WITH THE MASTER KEY", "MAN WITH THE DOCTOR'S KEYS".

These are all cheap brain washing techniques that is very apealing to the man on the streets but informed people that have felt the pains of managing a family in a deteriorating economy, please do find somnething better to talk to me.

And mind you. I look at economic data everyday.
AND I MEAN EVERY DAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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miaK

Re: PNG Needs Real Leadership NOW

October 13 2006, 4:47 PM 

We're limited to good leaders/alternatives….whatever that means, I take it that, the country has not enough good leaders and equally not enough either to offer an alternative government. Simple.
That is why we need many good leaders with insight and foresight. Those who can do their jobs, and do them well. Leaders that can tell the times to sow, plough and nurture. Leaders that can bring about real transformation.

Aren't we the common people (as you rightly say we are) not weary of the chest thumping grandstanders who excel in spurning white-hot chances but are adept at marveling at mediocrity and lackluster performances (however short sighted and superficial it is)?

The world is open for business. There is abundance of local sound advice (advisors) in PNG. The glaring limitation in the thinking capacity of those privileged few (accorded on golden platter) who cannot marshal, mobilize and set forth workable and opportunity grabbling policies cannot be tolerated for ever like this.

My gut instinct tells me that no amount of extra chance will bear anything more than a repeat of all the hot air and mediocrity that we have witnessed over the five (yes, almost 5) bountiful years. The squabble for self-interest and personal gain has been an interesting drama worth going down memory lane. Therefore, we need a change of guard NOW.

The antics of the slight successes in economy is attributed to, yeah we know who and what actually delivered it. That cannot be argued further.
The mere observation of economic results (however regular it maybe) does nothing when they're not capitalized to achieve lasting tangible results.


miaK

 
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Anonymous

We need change NOW!!!

October 17 2006, 9:55 AM 

Miak yu tok tru tumas. Moroma is a satisfied man. He is okay with the staus quo. He likes being governed by tried old politicians, with their tried policies that have failed this nation over 30 years. He is okay with his economic data everyday, but does he ever want to read improving economic data? No Im think he likes looking at stagnant economic data. point is many educated PNGeans live an inert, complacent lives pretending to be okay. Well, they shoulkd take a trip to the villages and settlemnets to see the realities there.

 
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Fed Up

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

October 18 2006, 10:01 AM 

My only wish is for PNG to be free from the bondage of Nepotism. One of the most serious hindrance to PNG’s development. This is practiced every where... from the PM down.

We can have brilliant leaders but if favoritism, wantokism and family-rism??(if there is such a word …) can not be addressed at the work place, nothing will be archived. We will still be dependent on foreign aid and we will still have this forum, discussing this same issues in 30 yrs time.

So far nobody in this forum has addressed this. How can this be phased out of the system or can it be done?


 
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miaK

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

October 18 2006, 11:20 AM 

That's an issue that everybody is fed up of.

It takes a grown up nationalist leader with a broad mind-set that embraces PNG (holistically) in his/her heart from the top level (political) and ensures it is trickled and transcends down the rank and file.

When that happens, it will have a domino effect into other facets of life as well paving way for a sense of nationalism and respect for fellow individuals (PNGeans).

miaK






 
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Sineyal

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 1 2007, 8:38 AM 

Very Impressive analysis of the former Prime Ministers. However, Dr. Clement Waine seems to be in absence on this forum for sometime. Maybe he can come and clear the confusion on his nomination. Dr is not in PNG so I guess he is still in the USA . He still needed to win the hearts and minds of Papua New Guineans and win the Simbu Regional.

All the big guns who have access to media live in places like Port Moresby and Lae, and Kundiawa. They can comment all they want, but the little garden diggers in remote Karimui or Gembogle won't get that impressive media publicity. Like their for fathes, they see and than believe so I hope and wish Dr. Clement Waine on his aspiration of becoming a Politician well.

So far not a sign of him anywhere in PNG so he will have to win an election, otherwise, try again, but really Dr Waine should not open his mouth about PNG former Prime Ministers unless he has a solution. Just because someone wrote an impressive paper, does not warrant him him the PNG throne.


 
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Magun Nem

SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 1 2007, 12:24 PM 

After all he has rated the past Prime MInisters, I think Michael Somare and his success PM's created that nip-witt the avenue for him to get a primary Education and than University. Should have been locked up in those Limestone caves in Simbu. How dared his, such arrogant, pride infested scumbag who only write papers but unable to implement, puffed into thin air. C'mon SAP supporters etc.. where is your prince??? Can't enthrone him in Simbu.

 
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xxxxxx

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:19 PM 

About 90% of Simbu professional men and women living and working overseas admire and advocate for Dr Waine's policies and professionalism in delivery a very important message that do seem in sink into some thick skulls back in PNG.

Well you all can sink in your miseries.....

SU

South Australia

 
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?

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:22 PM 

90%?

Reference?
Documentation?
Evidence?

 
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xxxxxx

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:27 PM 

We are very well networked......
We dont **** around.....



 
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really?

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:32 PM 

Well Dr Waine must **** around unlike the rest of the Simbus because he never showed up in Kundiawa, did he? Now he hides from the internet, runs away from defending himself on the board that's clear as day.

So much for Simbu proactiveness I think?

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:41 PM 

Don't you get it we like getting sodomised by the government and fu*k anyone who threatens the status quo.

Evil happens when good men do nothing. That is what we are doing 'nothing'.

 
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pasim maus

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:47 PM 

Dr Waine is a good man and he is not doing nothing as you accuse. He is furthering his self interest and self promotion in America at the moment.

 
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xxxxxx

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:52 PM 

Guys get your paper and get out of PNG it's sinking. How hard one tries to rescue it, corruption is systematic and wont help at all...........

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 4:55 PM 

We need a leader who tries lots harder than Clement Waine I think. He decided not to leave America.

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 5:12 PM 

who gives the f***!

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 5:18 PM 

Can the last person please turn off the lights.

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 5:22 PM 

This was posted by Mauswara on the America Board - I thought it would be appropriate for this thread as well.

Another longlong!

Waiting for only one person to come change PNG and when circumstances were beyond his control we are seeing a wave of accusations and incriminations as Clement Waine stole billions of Kina from PNG.

You should be putting the same vigor seeking Clement into asking why the millions of kina are stolen and misappropriated by your politicians.

There's a lot of issues pending that needs you idiots to pressure your politicians into answering...

(1) Moti Affair
(2) NCD Act
(3) Petromin Act
(4) Gaming Control Bill 2007 legalizing casinos and internet gambling
(5) K900,000 each to the politicians under the guise of electoral funds
(6) Fortnightly compensation for redundant MPs
(7) MPs 100 percent pay rise

and the list goes on and on..

Godness, no-one is really speaking out against these obvious forms of corruption and political psychosis and yet you are adamantly demanding Clement to answer for nothing reasonably at all...

Kain longlong ya yupla mas stop.

Mauswara

 
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Anonymous

Re: SAP is another cargo-cult party.

June 2 2007, 5:32 PM 

If you will scan the various boards and threads, you will find that your conclusion is wrong. A huge amount has been said about all these issues. As you say, they are very important, far more important than the issue being discussed here. However, those other issues have been discussed at length.

My questions to you:

Are you new to PNGSCAPE and that's why you did not notice all those postings?

Did you followup your posting here by doing some postings on those important issues - at least posting on other PNGSCAPE boards? If so, please tell me where because I saw no recent postings on the other boards.

Rather than you (or me) telling others what they should do, it is more successful simply to follow your own bidding.

 
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Good son...set more world records!!

June 6 2007, 12:30 AM 

Dear Dr. Clement

If you are browsing this scape, please take note of the two points.

1)You are great son and great man of the minority-as Australains prefer. The people of PNG-your country-men and woman are looking upon you and your carrier. You have more to achieve and set more world records tHen what had been done so far. What you have written (25 papers + 5 pending) are just the beginning. Please continue with the good work-never comeback to join politics but find avenues to provide better advice.

2) I can remember, sometime ago the media (possibly The National or Postcourier) published you comment on a grass that can be utilized to cure serious diseases such as HIV/AIDS. This grass probably grows >2000m above sea level and most suspected areas are in the mountains-most likely to be Mt Willaim (in Chimbu) and Mt Giluwe (in SHP). There may be other relatives as well, which may be more promising than this particular grass specie which can completely cure HIV/AIDS. Since you are more involved with proteins, is it possible (I know to man it is difficult) to identify the protein components of HIV/AIDS so that proper cure can be made? If you are still working on this plant or relatives, please, I encourage you to continue. I know you are great man of God, you have all the wishdom and the knowledge to have a breakthrough. If God of Abraham, Isac and Jacob could lead to in other key research desciplines what difficult of identifying vector proteins of HIV/AIDS and complete curing treatments out of PNG natural herbs.

Great admirer...New Zealand


 
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Anonymous

Re: Good son...set more world records!!

June 6 2007, 8:07 AM 

That is good, but after all the hype about becoming the next saviour for this Nation? We do not need that and much worse liers. I call Dr. CW a lier, though he can excel in the world of Biotech, but after he has created so much blunder for people in PNG, he sucked back into his cell unable to quiver.

Keep him that way, but his countryman will record in their memory as a scientist and lier. One of the con-artists to his people.

 
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Anonymous

Nonsence AIDS cure from Waine

June 6 2007, 10:22 PM 

Its a bunch of hype designed to fool gullible people like you into supporting this absent contender.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Nonsence AIDS cure from Waine

June 7 2007, 12:58 AM 

Lots of Wainics in here.

Fed up
Former Cultist

 
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warasimbu Tadpole

Re: Nonsence AIDS cure from Waine

June 7 2007, 8:40 AM 

Cure for Aids by Dr. Waine!! ahahah.ah! Keep trying. Why find a cure, everyone is traveling down that same path,to the grave. No one lives to 130 yrs or so so that is vain accomplishment. You find the cure today and tomorrow that same person dies from a car accident...that is irony of life & cure.

Baptism at warasimbu is ideal, a well prepared ordinance for a grand farewell for SAP's birth and burial.

 
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cured by the doctor

Re: Nonsence AIDS cure from Waine

June 8 2007, 6:14 PM 

Having read one of the doctor's postings, I believe that people are neglecting to write his appropriate middle name:

Dr Clement Vain Waine


Please use the full name in further references!


Vain: Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.

Conceited: egotistic, egotistical, self-conceited, swollen, swollen-headed, vain

Characteristic of false pride; having an exaggerated sense of self-importance; "a conceited fool"; "an attitude of self-conceited arrogance"; "an egotistical disregard of others".

 
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Stew

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 8 2007, 9:32 PM 

An indepth analysis of the performances of past PMs leading to the current state of affair of PNG and future consequences of the past actions by former PMs.

Surprisingly, a number of responses and comments on this thread defeat the whole purpose of the paper.

Generally, we dont seem to want to learn from past mistakes to mould the future but continue wanting to repeat the same mistake year in year out. Tru tru het bilong yupela pulap kapsait long samting nogut!

Please take some time to reason as learned man na toktok olsem ol lidaman!

Clement Waine is still the TRUPELA LIDAMAN.

 
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Stap isi

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 9 2007, 2:06 AM 

Stew, go back to Simbu and spend some time in the village. Dr Waine would no longer have any credibility in that world in which he needs to get elected.
He says one thing and does another and no one can say otherwise after the big "no showup" and "keep the American job" issue.
Go find a credible cndidate to move PNG forward instead of sticking with this dead horse.

Peace.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 9 2007, 4:22 AM 

The no-show by Dr Clement Waine is regretable and neither you nor I have any control over that. What we have control over is choosing the right credible persons in the coming elections. A closer scrutiny on the current Party Leaders (who are potential PM materials according to the organic law) indicates that the assumed credible persons all have some dark and questionable pasts.

Dr CW would have been an ideal candidate if he had come home to contest. He has no dark and questionable past. That is the crux of the matter and that alone makes him one of the ideal candidates. Furthermore, he is a visionary leader who would have been an ideal choice. Apart from him, I cannot see anyone that comes that close to his articulate nature.

So stap isi in peace.

Strew

 
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oh poo!

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 9 2007, 9:09 AM 

Waine has joined your crowd. He now has a dark and questionable past because he has proven himself not only to be totally unreliable, but screwed people over in the process of not showing up and to add insult to injury now hides aways from Scape like an esceaped rat now in exile in his American hole.

Of course people will continue to support him just like they support all the other nut cases who have proven unreliable or corrupt but still have their blind, noble supporters who will always take up the rallying cheer on behalf of their sicko hero.

 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 9 2007, 9:41 AM 

Stew! you must be one of them, Waine cargo Cult federation member! All those past Prime Ministers when first got into Parliament, they started being exposed to all kinds of media condemnation and we only knew from reading some edited script of them in the Post or National. There is no concrete evidence, only done by the courts behind the closed doors. However your "Self Proclaimed PM aspirant" CW seems to have hidden from reality in that hole in America as the other scaper said (oh poo).

Before he became a Prime Minister or a Politician, he already is saying to us the voters in Simbu and PNG that he is one hell of a con-man. Simbus' are known for producing good brains but really con-artists. Waine is no different.

Stew, if you are from Simbu...Check the Ballot papers for Simbu Regional.

 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 9 2007, 6:06 PM 

When someone runs away from criticism, as Dr Waine has clearly done, that action alone should say a lot about his real personality. Yupela yet skelim.

It is hilarious looking at the first part of this thread from a year ago in which people were pushing each other aside to be the loudest promoter of Dr Clement Waine and to be noticed by him. Anyone who dared give a word of criticism was harshly pushed aside. Look for yourself and you'll see what I mean.

But then was then and now is now, and today we only see Stew as Clement Waine's lingering and lonely supporter. Stew is still sadly misled into thinking that Dr Waine is the only potential PNG savior in town (the PNG saviour who never even left the USA). But at least Stew is not a runaway like his hero and all those vanished Clement Waine supporters of the past.

Thank God the Clement Waine cult never took hold amongst some groups of thinking, intelligent PNGeans who could see through this fellow from the start, despite all his fancy words and confident air.

 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 11 2007, 2:58 PM 

My comments have been completely taken out of context by the Wara Simbu tadpole. The issue at hand now is "Who would be the most appropriately qualified person to take on the responsibility of the CEO of this country" and lead Simbu. It is not about Dr Clement Waine.

The suggestions made, if you read between lines, is that do all current Political Party Leaders (who are potential PM aspirants) have the capability of leading this nation into its rightful place in this global village? Dr Clement Waine, as a political Party Leader and founder, would have been a Prime Ministerial contender, according to the established laws of the land. While all others with dark and questionable pasts have raised their hands to vie for the post, CW would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws.

Now that the case of his nomination is before the courts, your responsibility now is to tell your people to vote for the most appropriate person and the party he is affiliated to to bring onboard some good calibre of leaders. If you vote along family and blood lines, mi sore but we all will dance to the music of our own making in the next 5 years na noken komplen taim dispela kain kamap. Wara Simbu Tadpole knows the current state of affair in Simbu and there is no point reminding him of what happened in 2002.

Yu yet nau!

 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 11 2007, 3:45 PM 

Stew:

Julius Chan would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws. Instead, he did the wrong thing again and again, ranging from contracting to kill Bougainvilleans to making secret business deals that enrichened himself while he held public office.

Paias Wingti would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws. Instead, he, like Chan used their public positions to personally enrichen themselves, and thus will go down in history as failures.

Bill Skate would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws. But he didn't and made PNG into a laughing stock.

Sir Michael 'Grand Thief' would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws. But he never did and he has been a disaster.

"CW would have been an ideal contender with a colorful background of success to lead this country, had he did "the right thing" by following the established laws."


Yes, Stew, now I see how your remark about CW above fits into the big picture, that's why I repasted it as the last paragraph above.

Enough. Move on. Get out of the SAP drip pit, people.

 
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The $2million giaman promise

June 11 2007, 3:50 PM 

Note the date and the amount in this earlier posting. Looking back we should have immediately been suspicious about this instead of running around like blind supporters:


September 11 2006, 1:28 AM

Congratulations to Clement Waine for writing his article. I wonder if he is only writing his article now that he is running for politics. Clement Waine is running for Simbu Regional seat in 2007. He has told his supporters that he is coming in with US$2 million to fund his campaign in Simbu. Wonder what promises he made to get that money???????

 
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Stew

Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 11 2007, 9:31 PM 

Annon, the wara simbu tadpole, yu seem to be hell bent on your view that Clement is the cause of your ill fated misdeeds. You are now crying over spilt milk for your miscalculated moves in 2002. I sympathize with you and my simple proposition to you earlier was to sit back, relax and find a suitable person to lead you. If you dont have timne for that, then I suggest you go lock yourself in David Jones' locker and let the worrying to other capable persons to do for you.

Furthermore, I have this feeling that you envy Clement so much that you can go to any length to discredit him. Yu mas wanpela turangu jeolous man yah!

Get out of this thread!

Stew

 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 11 2007, 9:42 PM 

The difference between Chan, Wingti, Skate, Somare etc and Waine is that all have deceived you and betrayed your trust. Clement Waine has neither deceived you, betrayed you nor failed to deliver to your need because he was never your memba or your Prime minister, yu get that annon. All of them have led yu astray and yet you wag your tail everytime they look in your direction. A typical case of blind loyalty.

Get the dirt off your eye and be a leader and not a follower of some egocentric and charismatic persons with ulterior motives as past experiences show.

Annon, yu kirap pinis o silip yet!


 
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Re: Performance ratings for PMs By DR CLEMENT WAINE

June 12 2007, 1:56 AM 

It's easy to poke holes in your argument:

CW failed to deliver himself in person on the most critical day of his intended political life.

CW failed to make a clear commitment and sacrifice to the nation he says he loves when he did not even resign his permanent position in the USA prior to the flopped attempt at contesting the Simbu seat.

Of course there is a big difference in scale between the effects of his actions, versus the effects of those PM's and their actions. But the actions were pretty much the same: self interest over the public interest.

 
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