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The court case is scheduled for February next year. Until then nothing interesting can be mentioned. So in the mean times, let's enjoy the christmas with our current MP. I'm sure there'll be another christmas game coming up courtesy of Mr Harokave. He initiated a christmas game held at NSI last year as part of his campaign strategy and may be this time as an MP would be even bigger.
Enjoy
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Great to see Mr Harokaqve initiating the xmas games on a bigger scale never done before. Believe these were some of his simple but workable strategy used to win the election.
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Hey Thompsons won, just like every intending candidates does leading up to election years to make their intentions known and make themselves popular. There is no need for such, will simply be wasting money for development, youpla pasim maus na tingting long wok bung wantaim em long developim ples. All you Okuyuya, Asaloyuha, Gamah, Hanayuha, Segu, Gomuyuha must stop selling you Land like a pieces of cakes, talk with the MP and the Goroka Council service all those lands with water electricty and streets and put them up for real estate and commercial ventures. You will see Goroka Develop and expand and others will follow suit, Thats what we mean by development make you of the opprtunity while you can and T.H (Tody) is the man.
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Bai gat sampela development lon kakaruk market ikam lon dispela nupela member tu or nogat? Mipela sampela kisim taim lon winter na teeth sikirap lon buai istap.
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Don't you mentioned Kakaruk market, its a blessing in disguise. Its good for land owner and buai sellers but it became a haven for criminals who are literally terrorising general public at evenings in Goroka town. Goroka is no longer a peaceful place any more.
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Not only kakaruk market needs to be removed but it should be DELETED off the face of Goroka. It's home for tugs which potraits a sickening image of Goroka Town. The new MP needs to seriously crack Kakaruk market if Law and Order is one of his priority agenda. The Goroka MP's office is only a stone throw away, thus is fully abreast with the hype at kakaruk market at any given time than any other legislators or Govt officials and therefore needs no advise on the issue. Kakaruk market has grown over the years and can be equited equivalent to UNIVERSITY of Tugs. The more graduates it produces, Goroka will become another Cowboy town. It may well be a cowboy town already, who knows?
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One evening around 6pm in March, I was walking down to the bus stop from Town and a poor guy was robbed right infront of the Mendikwae shop. A group of thugs just grabbed his bad of money (he said K1300) and ran towards Kakaruk market.
I have been living in Goroka for many years and this incident just freaked d devil out of me.
Goroka is no longer peaceful.
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Those rovers and settlers are taking advantage of this place by doing their thuggish stunts and hiding away in their makeshift homes in the settlements. It is better to trace them (offenders) right down to their individual family,arrest the culprits, burn their house and send them (entire family) to wherever their home is. For every individual offenders, their house should be destroyed and family be repatriated. Think we can slowly and surely reduce such petty crimes by taking tough stand on those lazy stone heads hovering over the kakaruk market for their prey.
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I got a better idea. Why don't we send ALL people not belonging to the customary landowners of a particular town and city BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM?
Moresby belongs to the Motu Koita, not to highlanders, sepiks or islanders... or you, for that matter.
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I agree with the Kakaruk Market and Other related issues.
The thugs are running the show in Goroka town and fear factor is taking its toll. You can't see these criminals as masked people since they are camouflaged with ordinary public servants. When they see weak innocent people, they prey on them. It is a very serious situation and some have lost life in the past.
It requires all the stakeholders such as Goroka MP, Governor, Provincial Executive, Town Urban LLG, Goroka Rural LLG, Community Leaders, Police and the Goroka people to work togehter to lid this problem. We can not leave it to one stakeholder but all must act together with holistic view.
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Agree with you Gka izegipa, our individual views will always remain ours. Unless all leaders and law enforcing agencies in the district gather collective views to address this issue we can make progress.
Mi ting kakaruk market mas stap but ol mas relocatim. nau em stap lo lewa stret blo town na i olsem wanpla cancer in the heart of PNG.
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Apparently, I hear the main landowner behind the Kakaruk Market, Jeffery S(forgot his surname) is the current Council President of Goroka (correct me if I am wrong). Therefore, this should automatically make him to clean up his backyard instead of bringing such scumbags to flourish on his territory. If he lacks ideas in this direction, then whoever the new member for Gka is should work hand in hand with him to guide and direct him on how to go about the Kakaruk Market and its effects on peaceful Gka citizens.
The market can be moved somewhere but these stubborn landowners will use the excuse of private customary land to run things their way because from what I know, they get their bread and butter from this market.
This is an opportune time when the major landownner of this market is in office to do this otherwise, if someone else holds office and wants to do it, it will be quite difficult to reason with some of these guys who are mentally affected from drinking everyday from market royalties.
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Please, lets be careful with our descriptives and not generalise on the Asaroyufa hauslain (its a very big hauslain extending beyond Kakaruk market). Most of them in the main hauslain are peaceful people of Gka. Its the vagrants who live / make business on their land causing these silly activities in Gka.
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Ol vagrant blong Okapa, Kimi, Luha, ol displa lain mipla save lukautim ol olsem ol agoveh ijagipa ya, kam pulap na balapim peles wantaim sampla wan wan Bena na ol Asalo'yuha yet na sampla lain blong Goloka. Lesla pasin imas sitop nau
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Ol vagrant blong Okapa, Kimi, Luha, ol displa lain mipla save lukautim ol olsem ol agoveh ijagipa ya, kam pulap na balapim peles wantaim sampla wan wan Bena na ol Asalo'yuha yet na sampla lain blong Goloka. Lesla pasin imas sitop nau
While as an outsider who lived there for 4 years, I agree with the Anon's view about Laziness. There are lots of hard-working Gorokans and also a lot of lazy people. There are Asariufa leaders like Harry and Stanley Gotaha, Julie Soso and her brothers and many others who own these prime lands for further development but are too lazy because, they feel that the daily takings from both the main market and the Kakaruk market is big enough to sustain their lives.
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Fellows, I think you all have raised you views about Kakaruk market and it is pleasing to note the concerns raised. May I suggest, we start bombarting the media, National and Post Courier expression our views so that it can take tke ire of the stakeholders and public. Then only our concerns may be heard to certain degree where as this thread is limited in drawing favorable outcome.
Take care and happy xmas.
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The sentiments put forth in this thread can provide intellectual data for interested person to articulate and put it on the news papers.
This thread has its purpose so as the news paper. Please continue to contribute your intellectual thoughts in this thread as well as our national news papers.
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I agree with Gorokaveh, it makes sense to get out to the print media to reach out to the larger audience including the so called stakeholders. The limitation in this thread is; much can be said but little could be seen done irrespective of how well one can articule the issue. All opinions raised are equally valuable as concerned Gorokans or Eastern Highlander as a whole. We should draw from the concerns raised in this thread and write to the media to objectively translate the message to the wider public. That makes alot of sense and has merits with due respect to Goroka Izagipa's proposition.
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My Province shares border with the Apos and for generations our people were known as brothers and sisters. We use to live in peace and harmony, share ideas, carry each other's burderns and even inter marry. Today, when you hear names like Bire, Gene, Kaupa, Ninkama etc.. you think that they are from Chimbu but infact they are from Eastern Highlands. That shows the deep relationship of the Goroka and Simbu people.
But now, there is a different trend, there is a certain group of people invading the Goroka Township, engaging in businesses activities, selling goods at the market and road side etc.. and as time is slowing passing the number is increasing slowing. You will be surprised that Goroka will be dictated by this group of people. They are people who gain space and multiply and no-one will stand up against them.
Olsem toksave tasol, em laik bilong yupela ol Goroka yet.. Mipela ol brata and susa stap long side na lukluk tasol.
Sapos nogat toktok nau, ol Souths Pawa bai winim yupela so tingting na organise nambaut na stap...
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I totally agree with Yaltep. This lazy idiots, the so called Goroka Town Land Owners are nothing more than bunch of scumbergs who sell their land cheaply for outside invasion. And if you look closely, most of the houses in villages near Goroka town are still made of kunai grass. You might notice one or two permenant or semi permenant building, but guess what... the chances of it being owned by outsiders are more than 50%. Now that the new member for Goroka is from Kama, one of the Taun Papa Giraun, I am sure he would have notice this in his own Kama village and hopefully advocate and reform customary land tenure and or settlement. A land reform or registration of customary land within the urban and suburban fringes would limit further outside occupation/settlement and hence empower these lazy idiots to take advantage of the opportunity to engage themselves in small to medium scale commercial activities.
Goroka is not the only town with influx in urban immigration, most urban centres of PNG is experiencing the same but to varing degree. This therefore, draws the need for a concerted national land mobolisation and development policy or plan.
The main reason for such impartial local immigration is based primarily on local regional economicy between each urban centres. In the highlands, Mt Hagen and Goroka offers better social and economical service than the other provinces and therefore are subject to huge local immigration while the others are economically domant and stagnant. They may be known as a province, but their supplies is only Mt Hagen and Goroka. They are feeding these towns to grow whilst they remain stagnant. This is to the advantage of Goroka and Mt Hagen. The challenge is that, these domant provinces should be more production economically, then only it will limit the local immigration and boost their own social and economical condition.
To say the least, local urban immigration is a right for all Papua New Guineans but the Government has really done nothing to address this issue is a more orderly manner.
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From the day we were all working together, Thomson was a great fan of Osama, we sometime referred to him as Osama.
He was going to be one radical leader and its no surprise he got into Parliament.
I cannot comment about his personal life but we need radical changes in our parliamentary system where corruption and nepotism is ripe.
I hope he can change Goroka and PNG for the better.
Give him your support after all he's got the mandate.
Divided we fall, united we stand....
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1. Preaching to change the name of Goroka and the Nokondi symbol.
2. Making pledge to sponsor miss goroka to contest miss png.
3. Forming the goroka town rangers mainly comprising of his supporters. Everyday there's commotion with the street sellers. Sellers fighting for their survival (bread&butter).
4. Frequently visiting night clubs; womanising, indulging in alcohol and pokies.
These are facts, NOT propagandas!!
The bottom line is: A stable and healthy home makes a strong nation. Simple but its true.
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Thompson has now got K10 million, putting together all the previous Goroka MPs had in their electorate grant since 1975 and he should put this money into good use.
Don't tell me that he intends to use the money on intangible projects to keep his supporters happy,( e.g. by establishing Goroka town rangers) who are bunch of scumbergs and lunatics.
He should think about tangible and impact socioeconomic projects because he got the money that former members ever had in one year.
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I've known Thompson for a long time. He's kind of a straight and strict guy who commits himself to improve and better his studies, work and career. He drinks but does not acts roudy in both public and private, pokies was a big NO for him whereas women like any man is tempting. Those were the days when we were youngsters from Uni and cadets in the work force. Anyway, I am surprised to learn from this thread that he is now into pokies. If that is true, I'd say he has changed alot!.....?????
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I've known Thompson for a long time. He's kind of a straight and strict guy who commits himself to improve and better his studies, work and career. He drinks but does not acts roudy in both public and private, pokies was a big NO for him whereas women like any man is tempting. Those were the days when we were youngsters from Uni and cadets in the work force. Anyway, I am surprised to learn from this thread that he is now into pokies. If that is true, I'd say he has changed alot!.....?????
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I've known Thompson for a long time. He's kind of a straight and strict guy who commits himself to improve and better his studies, work and career. He drinks but does not acts roudy in both public and private, pokies was a big NO for him whereas women like any man is tempting. Those were the days when we were youngsters from Uni and cadets in the work force. Anyway, I am surprised to learn from this thread that he is now into pokies. If that is true, I'd say he has changed alot!.....?????
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One of Thompson's strategy to get rid of the vagrants living around the fringes of Goroka town is : encouraging male youths (his town rangers) to rape and harrass the female component of the vagrants.
Humility at its best!!
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Aha!!! Apos use language deligently that provides impetus for better judgment to scape readers all over the world. Words that may portray uterior motives of jealous and gossip against a person (e.g., Thompson)should be minimised though whitleblowing to certain degree is okay.
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I have no problem with Thompson's strategy in controlling the town and even using his rangers to the fullest in cleaning the town and making it better and safe. Accussations of rape is out of smear jelousy and unfound. Thompson is really cracking the nut which ALL the previous MPs were too mellow to do. There's been alot of complaints that Goroka is unsafe anymore, and so, Tom is doing just that do restore safety and security to better the well being of Goroka populance including the business house and the general public. There is no rationale in critisizing his effort for the better. If there is any mischief by the rangers, they are not above the law, therefore report the matter to the police. And where due credit should be commended, please acknowledge. He has my thumbs up for his courage and desire in transforming Goroka to what its best known as the safest town in the Highlands. He has his matrix right for a young dude and fist timer in Goroka's hot seat and that is to restore safety which use to be Goroka's pride. Keep it up Tom!!
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Goroka has been and will always remain a safe place to live and work.
So far Thompson has done nothing inregard to this issue!!
He's busy getting consultants to run courses at the NSI. Another way to divert electorate funds to cohorts and cronnies who had supported his election campaign.
Let the court decide……….it will be interesting to know about the outcome of this long awaited case.
It is of no use talking about what Mr. Harokaqveh has done or not done in his three months in the hot seat. Mr. Kimisopa has done what he does best for Goroka and the nation and likewise past Goroka Mps have did it their way. We can spell what we think he should do but Thompson will only do it his way.
If Thompson is not the man to lead Goroka, let’s all part-take in this by-election other than sit back, relax, observe and complain again.
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From what u hear, the current member is doing a hell of a good job. maybe his tactics plan of action arent widely accepted but aleast he has hit the ground running and doing something productive. the every day person is seeing exactly what he is doing. as for the out going member, he was too busy in the national politics which left goroka go to waste and services and infarstrucure suffer. some may say its the provinancial counils job, but i belive that as a member one must be proavtive within their area. not to take away from the out going member of what he has done for PNG....but if goroka suffers....is he really doing what is best for thoes that elected him??....this may be an unvalid comparision but....lets just take a look at the elecrotate of the PM....what has he done for his elecotrate after being in office for so along apart from turing PNG into his private enterprise??
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Well,we just wait and see which way the courts makes its decision.
I have indebted comparative comments on both Kimisopa and Thompson just
like all of you citizens of Goroka and PNG has to say.
Currently,its too premature for me to make any pre-emptive statemants
about Thompson yet but for Kimisopa,he has done extremely very well for PNG if you like.Also he has done much the same way for Goroka by allocating the resource technical expertise and provide the leadership.
To make my long statement short,his first secretary from Asaroufa village down to the cleaner betray Mr kimisopas imput and hardwork he has shown.
Misuse of public funds was endermic as useuall.
If Mr Kimisopa returns to office,then it will be sickening to see the same officers running the show again..
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Your comments about his officers may not necessary hold true for some.
Apo, your comment regarding first secretary is absurd. Don't you push your knife to the first secretary from Asaroufa who was literally left nothing to do with electrol funds. The first secretary was employed by Bire on his merit (he is a workaholic and good writer)to assist him with ministerial work . This person was doing all the dirty work for Bire. Thats why Bire was showing rainbow colours at the national politics if you ever heard that Bire was a Prime Minister material. Remember, Bire got no time to think and write whilst attenting meetings after meetings. This man humble enough, did it for him and Bire got the glory.
As the secretary to the minister, he has nothing to do with electrol funds. You should ask Bires ward five boys who were running the show in Goroka. but Kimisopa's paper work. You need to Did you ground first.
You must thoroughly investigate before you defame someone because this perons did so much only to get a nail to the coffin.
Please, apo do your investigation why Bire lost.
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Re: Correction on Apos Blander Accusation of the First Secretary
Your comments about his officers may not necessary hold true for some.
Apo, your comment regarding first secretary is absurd. Don't you push your knife to the first secretary from Asaroufa who was literally left nothing to do with electrol funds. The first secretary was employed by Bire on his merit (he is a workaholic and good writer)to assist him with ministerial work .
This person was doing all the dirty work for Bire. Thats why Bire was showing rainbow colours at the national politics if you ever heard that Bire was a "Prime Minister material". Remember, Bire got no time to think and write whilst attenting meetings after meetings. This man humble enough, did all Bire who got the glory.
As the secretary to the minister, he has nothing to do with Goroka electrol funds. You should ask Bire's ward five boys and other who were running the electorate office in Goroka. My dear apo, you need to do your research to ascertain why Bire was chopped down by the Goroka people and elect Thompson.
The answer I suspect would be mor complex. Just few issues to enlighten these complexities are the Goroka peoples' fluid and volatile behaviour emanated by jealous and gossip (covered by their so called respect); Bire's administration of the electorate and his base vote in ward 5, campaigning strategy that was used, etc.
You must thoroughly investigate before you defame someone because this perons did so much only to get a nail through the back. If you think that Asaroufa's did not vote Bire because of this person then you are wrong. If you know that Bire has done something for Asaroufas then the behaviour I have stated may remind you.
Please, Apo do your investigation to understand why Bire lost to Thompson.
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Inap nau!! this thread is leading to nowhere. Planti jelous na bull**** pulap lo pipia het blo yupla yah yupla putim lo hia ya. Moderator, plis trash this thread. It has outlived its value. Ol kain jelous na pipia tintin blo yupla lo Bire na Thompson yah mas stop nau!! Yupla gramble olsem ol liklik pikinini yah. Bikos lo kain pipia tintin blo yupla tu yah, ino sai gat wok bum lo Goroka lo kamapim gutpla sindaun, traipla sem blo yupla. Tok baksait kilim yupla ol Goroka stret. Na taim blo bungim han na tintin blo kirapim wok lo Goroka yah, yupla sai putim han lo beksait na het igo daun na lukluk lo giraun istap. Taim wanpla samtin i kamap or nogat, tok baksait blo yupla ino pilai. Displa kain pasin tasol na Goroka em divided na olgeta 5 yias nupla memba sai kisim opis. Taim blo wanbel na wok bum lo developim ples bai kamap wanem taim?.Tumoro or nex wik or nex mun or nex yia. You so called elites must start to humble your mouth and work for the common good. Sapos yu no hamamas, then be a man than a mouse, redim K1,000 nomination fee blo yu na nominate lo 2012 or even lo by-election sapos Bire winim kot. Nogut bai displa tupla man yah rausim trouser blo yupla lo election so shut up!! Luk olsem yupla need lo wasin het blo yupla wantaim bleach or kerosene lo kisim gutpla tintin na toktok....idiots!!!
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Goroka is filled with jealous and gossip in the name of respect and we know that. It is this attitude problem that is persistent resulting in Goroka's setback in social, economic, political and spiritual development.
How can we help to alleviate this attitude problem? There is no one simple answer but it needs synergic effort from every body (Grassroots, educated elites, church institutions, politician, etc) to consolidate our time, resources, labour to help one and other.
For this reason, please make balance comment, bring up suggestion, ideas to provoke reaction and discussion on this forum. However,do not side track into jealous and gossip for Bire or Thompson.
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Goroka Izagipa, there not even one single constructive argument from scrapers in this thread of yours. If there is any, may be acceptable to you alone, has no transformed into any substantive discussion and or argument, let alone jelousy taking prime. Unless there is one, there is no point in encouraging this thread. Moderator, I agree that this thread should be removed.
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Gorokans, this is the kind of coorporation we need in Goroka rather than jelousy and gossip. The Okapian leaders have shown just that!!. A classic good example for you and your leaders. Read today's (23/1/08) National per URL; http://www.thenational.com.pg/012308/Nation%2023.htm
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Please, you (anon) miss misunderstand my fair comment made above and contradict yourself. There is no single constructive argument appealing to me but is appaling. Thats why I suggest some way forward (if any) for scapers to discuss and critique as may be the purpose of this forum.
Yes Okapians have shown the way of humility and working together in todays national paper. It is a lesson for Goroka leaders to peruse and act.
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Lol....ol apos any latest news on the election petiotion? Those of us in overseas would like to know since February has arrived and the petition would perhaps be heard anytime this month.
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Keep your ears and eyes out for 11th Feb. I presume this is when the trail commences but Bire`s lawyer is also taking up Wingti`s case. Should Wingti`s case drag on, which is highly likely, then Goroka`s open seat trail is likely to be delayed.
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Unlike WHP Regional’s case, Goroka’s is different as it involves accounts of bribery only and might not go further than a week I guess. This time the witnesses will make a huge difference in the decider if there are no undue influences on the process.Hope to see justice prevail....
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I am not a Thompson or Bire supporter, but from what I am hearing back at home, Thompson is starting to shape up Goroka and he's doing a marvellous work. If you want to know more, call your families back at home. That's my say while the judge will have his say come court day....
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1. Preaching to change the name of Goroka and the Nokondi symbol.
2. Making pledge to sponsor miss goroka to contest miss png.
3. Forming the goroka town rangers mainly comprising of his supporters. Everyday there's commotion with the street sellers. Sellers fighting for their survival (bread&butter).
4. Frequently visiting night clubs; womanising, indulging in alcohol and pokies.
5. Said something about removing all the HiLow gambling centres and subsequently the Asians but nothing established yet.
6. The Urbanisation program last week was launched by the Governor not Thompson.
7. Bought two tractors and two five-doors land cruisers.
He had preached alot but nothing tangible has been delivered.
