All Papua New Guineans should now be asking this question at this very time when the time is now getting closer for the 2012 polls. Let us look at and analyze some of our current MPs who are Party leaders and are now vying for the top job.
1. Peter O'Neill - Current PM-has in history was connected to and involved in the NPF saga in which some substantial amounts of kina was misappropriated and diverted to his company accounts. Contradicts himself when he is making big noise in fighting corruption
2. Don Polye - Although no records as a 'corrupt dealer' his leadership and control over NA Party is full of contraversies.
3. Puka Temu-A former DPM but moved to the opposition earlier then the rest of the MPs that moved across later. Although launched a new party, may be facing financial constraints. Has on record a sales deal in which he was trying to sell of Telikom very cheaply. Could have picked up good kickbacks.
4.Powes Parkop-Has gone a bit quiet when the "Audit Reports' was revealed about him authorizing and approving payouts in 2010 of K3Million to Justin. Still paying him now. He has also been involved and masterminded the K58 Million road upgrading of only 800 metres and is in control of the Media newspapers so that his rot cannot be published. Yet is pulling back on his Facebook campaign to be 2012 PM. He has now removed his photo on the Facebook and his page has become very ordinary.
5. Sir J, Sir Mek, Bart - No intentions shown but being old dogs they could be working something quietly under their belts.
6. Belden Namah-Very dangerous. An architect of current Govts formation. Has the ability to explode anytime and take control. Military style.
7. Sir Michael GC - The only person that has mustered numbers during election times and has always become the right mandated PM of the people. Nobody else has even become a 1 timer. If still alive he can cause upset. He has the charisma to do so.
I believe the architect of the current economy boom is Sir Mekere. His government took the bold step to privatize all government owned businesses. He instigated the political integrity bill which has provided unprecedented political stability until recently.
He is move than qualified to run the country. He is respected and recognized world wide as an economist.
We need a prime minister in the likes of Sir Mekere to guide the country to economic prosperity.
I can't believe that you seem to have absolutely no idea of the POM land deals, the tragic big scale land grab of SABL (foreigners paying nothing for our timber, saying that they are simply 'clearing the land' - which they then abandon after they've destroyed the forest).
Do you really not know about all this? It all happened under Temu's watch as Minister of Lands in the Somare government.
Temu is evil. His actions on land have singlehandedly destroyed the most valuable potential development options for many rural peoples forever. Destroyed their lives. Why would you even consider him as PM material?
This message has been edited by 7milebeach on Jan 8, 2012 7:49 AM
Good analysis made but as we know it will require alot more behind the scenes work than what we see for PNG politics. And past records and constroversies. As such PNG politics has certain King Makers who know how to wheel and deal when it comes to moving numbers to form governments - whether it be clean or corruption.
Paias Wingti is on such master tactician when it come to this and as we see he is having a major influence even from the outside. He will be a force to reckon with if he wins the 2012 WHP elections and his eyes are on the PM's post. I don't support him nor agree with his policies but he is setting the stage to come back and return as PM. Most PNGeans don't like him for all the right reasons BUT like I said, PNG politics is different and most of the MPs voted in unfortunately seek to get rich over night. This allows such a few wheelers and dealers to get them to play to their music like puppets and use them.
Not all named potential PMs are "clean" so comparing all, when it all boils down, Paias Wingti will wheel and deal the cards. I am not saying he is clean, but he is good at what he does and is a master of it.
I agree. We should have Wingti as our new PM because he would be our first 'living overseas' PM since Julius Chan. Wingti understands that PNG smells bad and is dirty so he should only come to our country when he has no other choice, like to open and close parliament. Other than that he is welcome to go back to his nice house in Brisbane. The people there love him.
In the contemporary global political context, Wingti is irrelevant and not fitting. As a former PM, he failed misserably by not participating or offering his advises/solutions to a wide range of important national development issues. It is strongly beleived that he sneaked into the country just to change the NA lead govrnement in August 2nd to prepare himself for the 2012 elections. The current O'Niel/Namah government has enhanced Wingti's return in 2012 by awarding Ministers to Wingti's hitmen such as Maxhone Gramme, Police Minister, Francise Awesa, Oniel himself and few others. They are all there to facilitate Wingti's political interests and aspirations. Wingti is the same person that once resigned as PM and got re-elected on the same day, but later thrown out. He is the same person that changed the NA lead government and effectively legitimized it immediately. He is known for that.
Whatever it is Wingti will not win the WH Provincial seat so he is history. How can he be mandated when he is responsible for the influx of Asian junks and crooks under his stupid look north foreign policy.
Guess what? Wingti WILL win because the average western highlander is too uneducated and stupid to realise all that. Its like our people want to bring back ancient tumbuna objects again and again as leader. You wait and see-our stupidity GUARANTEES Paias Wingti will be voted back into office.
Guess what? Wingti WILL win because the average western highlander is too uneducated and stupid to realise all that. Its like our people want to bring back ancient tumbuna objects again and again as leader. You wait and see-our stupidity GUARANTEES Paias Wingti will be voted back into office.
It is unbelievable that you hairbrains are so out of touch of reality that you think our MPs sit together for the good of PNG and elect the person they think can do the best job.
Don't make me laugh!
Just like vote buying is rampant at the grassroots level, it takes on even bigger dimensions at the level of MP and PM. Pure and simple, the PM gains his seat based on how well he can bribe enough MPs to come on board.
For you imbeciles to continue to drift in the clouds, thinking that becoming PM involves any kind of honesty or noble gestures, you're either dumb, stupid, gullible, or all 3 combined!
For the sake of our country's future, please face the music and realise what actually happens behind the scenes. The father of our country, Sir Michael Somare, was the most successful briber and promiser of great wealth we've had so far. O'Neill will strive to put even more money to stay in power after the 2012 elections.
Please stop farting around with your pretend evaluations and start talking reality.
This message has been edited by 7milebeach on Jan 8, 2012 7:48 AM
PNG must never again experience corrupt leaders like sir julius chan who are so cunning and deceitful that they can make millions of kina abusing their public office, siphon off to their adult children like mark & toea chan, bribe their son into politics-byron chan and con the queen to give them big meaningless titles like sir, that is the joke of the business community in the south pacific.
Sir Julius Chan is known and called by everyone as Grand Thief not grand chief! why, because the people of namatanai in his elecotorate know him too well.they have watched him amass millions of kina since 1968 when first elected but his own province is so poor with no new initiatives to benfit the people.a recent giaman roof over heads policy announced recently was rejected by familiys in kavieng because the supplier of roofing irons-1.2 sheets of kapa was a big PPP supporter and donater to sir j party.he is also a business associate of the children.
yes sir, sir j.we salute you king of corruption but never PM again.
Re: NOT JULIUS CHAN PLS-NEVER EVER AGAIN.NOGAT.NILPIS
October 23 2011, 4:51 PM
Is peter Oneill really in control? Does it not seem that he and Belden are working from different agendas? Oneill and his PNC are an afterthought of png politics- he is a stop gap PM used to plug a hole in the leaking MV PNG Politics. Don and Belden seem to wield the power, Don's got the backing of the biggest party (albeit fractured as it is) and Belden seems to have an unlimited chequebook. Will be interesting to see what the SC rules in the next week in terms of the constitutionality of Oneill's govt. What happens after that is anybody's guess. Mr Maipakai has threatened to suspend the ESPG if they don't withdraw the reference, as the govt are a bit edgy and my guess is they know that the judges are not going to rule in their favour. They know that they need an absolute parliamentary majority for that to happen so Mr Wararu wasn't fazed. Its anyones guess who is gonna be PM, seeming more than likely it'll be a choice between the lesser of 2 (or 3 or 4) evils.
Are you really a western highlander or a PRETEND western highlander? You seem to enjoy trying to make all of us look foolish before the world with your lame pronouncements. Making it look to those looking in like our minds are a generation out of date compared to the rest of the country.Speak for yourself but do NOT speak on behalf of all of us. Most of us, I hope, aren't as stupid as you're making us out to be! SO STOP IT!!!
Thats what Wingti is known for..breaking the constitution to grab power!!He did it once but thank God, the constitution remained supreme. And now, his boys Maxtone Awesa and O'Neill are again used to do the same.
Western Highlanders are known for that. They kill you for your own bag of betelnut.When they want power and wealth, they will do anything to get it.
Pls Kanges, stop praising Wingti, he doesnt even come close to some of Highlands great leaders, like Iambakey OKUK,Sir Tei Abal, Don Polye, Anderson Aigiru, etc. Kange Camel & all wingti supporters must know that PNG is bigger than WHP. so shut up no holim pos blo wingti
Tumbuna blo yu wokim OKUK highway ah...
OKuk is the greatest leader of all time and no one will ever replace him.
He was a man of action because he linked the highlands with the coast we see economic activity booming up in the highlands and PNG as a whole. He brought in MAF and all those other smaller Airline services that servioce the rural population. He has done more and dont want to elaborate on that.
What does a spakman got to do with this?
You can say wahtever you like on this forum and what you say will NOT change the minds of the rural population in Western Highlands. Find time and go see for yourself in Tambul, Nebilyer, Baiyer, Dei, Hagen Central, Paprabuk, East/West Kambia, Kuli etc, ask the people there who they will vote as Governor for WHP in 2012-to your disliking, you will hear the name PAIS WINGTI!
We wait and see who gets declared as Governor for WHP in mid year 2012.
I am not from Western Highlands but I have lived in Mt Hagen city last 20 years to even date. I do not work for the government, I have never worked for the govt in my life, I am self employed.
I agree. Governor Parkop has taken an expat who would be a nothing in his own country (Mr Justin Tatchenko) and made him into the kind of Moresby and a millionaire besides. I think that more expats like Justin need to become millionaires off PNG money so by all means lets make the Governor Parkop our next PM.
This is to inform everyone that Peter O'Neill will be the PM from now to elections and thereafter. Look around and you will see there is no other with the charisma and qualities he posses to be PM. He has prepared for this last 20 years and he did not get it by fluke.
I forgot to also mention that it will be quite a task for someone to tussle for the PMs job when its with O'Neill. Nature placed him where it belongs and its not for anyone to wrestle it off from the man. It will be a difficult trust. It is in souths pawa and when its there sometimes its locked. Am not trying to be emotional here but I have a fair idea of the man and mind you he has been grooming himself behind the scenes for this day. You can talk and talk and talk but it will be with him for next 20years or as long as he lives.
I am from Upper Mendi, i urge the people of Ialibu Pangia to return the PM to Parliment 2012 unopposed and create another national history. If a candidate wishes to contest agains him, what will he or she be after because Ialibu Pangia is now at the pinacle of politics and govt.
You sound like an enchanted lunatic. Sir Inja will show O'Neill the door and his short lived days in power will always be looked backed upon in future by Historians as the day the most power hungry man in PNG tried desperately in vain to cling to power and was shown the door! you recall Wingti being shown d door by allan marat??? Now Wingti is the laughing stock of history..Parliament decided, court kicked him out..Remember Matane's reappointment??? Parliament decided court kicked that fool out..now O'Neill will feel the same boot on his butt directing him to the exit...Long Live the constitution
You sound so confident to know what will emerge but you are in the wrong country esp with the type of emotions shown. I did not touch on the outcome of the courtcase. I just said the current status quo will prevail even if court rules otherwise. Court rules otherwise they go back to parliement and re-elect the man again. Mate your smiles will be no longer because you do not know whats in store. Expect the unexpected. Don't rely on one avenue. This is PNG and you will see and be surprised at what unfolds next. This forum is not for you so go and stay away with your smiles.
All avenues have not be exhausted so you wait and see. Everyone thats playing the game in the arffirmative went to school and they will apply those skills acquired.
However thank you for your contribution in this free country.
Yes, I support "full of smiles". I also support you too! Expect the unexpected in PNG and I'd say,... by next month Belden Namah will replace newcomer corruption-guy Peter O'Neil. Don't waste your breath because PNG knows what Peter's made of even before he entered politics.
I still stand by my view. Status quo will be maintained. O'Neill will remain PM. Belden is a brother, no hard feelings on him. He can give a try but O'Neill will still prefail. Belden unfortunately caused a blunder for himself by dishing out large sums of cash. Is he a law maker or cash distributer. Thats no what we need. We need leaders that we can relate to and down to earth and whom you will be comfortable with given any circumstances. O'Neill as rightfully acllaimed at UPNG is hope for the hopeless and nature will ensure he prevails. He has done more and will do more for PNG than he has done damage if any.
I agree. Governor Parkop has becomes next OKUK even thou he is not perfectly doing as OKUK patterns on his leadership. Parkop has done many things for POM city, he has changed Raschol town became pleasant and joyful town then before so by all means lets make the Governor Parkop our next PM to change whole PNG'S country.
OKUK not concern PNG only, he also concern to whole melanesian' country which by give Independence to Vanuatu in 24 ours, then next he want to do same things to West Papua and CIA through Australian Intelligence agencies has taken his life.
I am afraid of some people who lived in over seas and want to resist in 2012 election. throw away family, tribe, place, village interest, be united for shake of our country and see who capable to change worse situation in our country.
Whilst Jigs continues to use his democratic right to entertain stupidity, current public perception on the ground in all the 7 districts of the province is that Wingti is now history because:-
1. Since he lost the 2007 elections to Olga, he disapeared to Australia
2. When he was in power as MP, PM or Governor he was very protective by ensuring that no smart WH'lander was around him - an act to ensure that no one was a threat to him which is an impediment to continued national leadership coming from WHP,
3. He only had a bunch of unqualified individuals who would not compete in a open labor market around him as his yes men,
4. He has not recognized hardworking former provincial government members, village court officials, peace mediators, land mediators etc despite continued commitments,
5. He is an old dog that does not have any new tricks nor political vision except tactics and strategies to destabilize legitimate governments and
6. The fact that Olga defeated him in the election dispute and the two subsequent recounts are clear reflections that he is a desperate person supported by desperate people who do not how to make a honest living, but depend on the system using Wingti's position.
Having said that I suggest that Jigs and other like-minded people should prepare for the worse storm and don't pretend that you are knowledgible about WH politics.You have suffered enough embarrashment so bow out in shame.
You are in the class of the ancient cargo cult mentalist of Papua New Guinea. If Some one gave you are brand new land cruiser, you would not have the sense to investigate if it was stolen or not, you will happily thank HIM and keep on encouraging that criminal. Now that O'Neil is PM, the Idea of a Ialibu man (or whereever you are from in that destitute place of a province ) is at the helm means are lot more to you than the fact that the mama law just might be broken. Your children will never be different than you because you can't do your part to change yourself and inhereitance is both hereditary and environmentally influenced. So please go back educated your people on ethics and proper morals because most SHP people are loosing it
My brother or sister, whoever you are.You are quite correct in highlighting that its everyone's duty to uphold the principles of our mama law. I am ably educated and I understand what I stand for apart from my SHP rhetorics. Whilst the courts are there to interpret the legalities of the events in Parliament, laws are meant to be bent or twisted but not broken. On this occasion the previous regime was so riddled with corruption that something had to be done to stop that systemic mayhem by pollies and beauracrats alike. What transpired stopped extreme abuse, and if the courts declare otherwise, at least their will be an election for a new PM because the old man cannot be restored. And secondly, courts only interprets, it does not have the power to direct parliament to revisit. It is the prerogative of parliament headed by the speaker to determine the next course of action. So my advise is expect the unexpected, do not look at one direction only. I am not emotional, i have nothing to gain from current arrangement, i respect mama law must be upheld for this country to survive as a nation, and all the goodies we educated elites promote, but we need a PM that everyone will be comfortable with so that we know all is in good hands while we go about our normal daily lives.
O'Neil will be your prime minister for a long time, please start to accept this as FACT. Why can't idiots like you for once support, so your kids will look forward to a brighter PNG. you save kaikai na sleep or save complain tumas with what you think of others?
Reality must be true, O'Neill is PNG's PM, voted by parliament - 74 mandated parliamentarians voted him to be YOUR prime minister. Accept it and move on. Go make babies and rest assured your country is now secured, tore the land or invest in real estate or do something, opportunities em pulap now u maski sleep stap.
You pilim pain long wanem? O'neil em Prime Minister bilong yu na mi na ol PNG.
Tell kiri vavine and his cohorts PNG does not want the types of Arthur, Paul Tiensten (prodigal sonon the run), pruaitch, kapris, semri, abal types, amet types, who are all corrupt and cannot and unfit to run this country. They have been running this country to the dogs in broad daylight. The change is for the better. We need constructive comments.
Kiri is right on the spot, another trouble maker, NPF Peter O'Thief breaks the mama law to become the PM; he and the damn dumb brainless Speaker Nape with Big-Mouth Namah, and all the other honourable highly educated with the likes of Mekere, Bart, Puka, Parkop, Ano, Allan Marat and the rest-these lawyers, accountants, economists, doctors and adulterers like Basil and the other. half-casts including O'Thief - All these learned people knew this was the worse crime, a coup - yet being power hungry, they threw their integrity, principle, and honour aside to grab power. GREED HOLIM OL PINIS
These bunch are the worse culprits then William Kapris Nanua and his gang.....
Re: well peter oneil is doing fine in the seat right now...
November 9 2011, 7:25 PM
Peter O'Niel "appears" to be doing well ... we can confirm the he is really doing well when he concludes his much hyped up about Sweep Team's investigations by sending the first batch of MP's and their crownies to Bomana after prosecuting them and charging them. But for now, the PM is still making loud noises.
I do agree very much that Oneil must be left alon for this remaining months to finish off some very important things for our country. Ye, Kinda think he is showing some promise by initiating drastic measures by looking at the much hyped OBE, SCHOOL FEES, THE JET, THE ROT IN HIGHER PLACES AND OTHERS. After all these things touched the grassroots level. Call it an election gimmick, you can, but the bottom line is that he has started something that needed to be so. i guess we just wait and see in the next election. If he can collect enough support to be the executive again, then good for this nation. if sir mek can stand behind him, he will have my vote but not Belden. He is dangerous to the core.
Re: Agiru or Namah are possible PMs after elections 2012
January 4 2012, 11:11 AM
I can't believe you're writing this and not showing your horror and you type out those words. You don't seem to think that either one of them would be a total disaster for our country? Namah, who always took bribes from the loggers to get rich, Agiriu who learnt he could steal straight from the SHP treasury or give lots of contracts to his personally owned companies and no one would notice.
If either one became PM, do you have any comprehension of what kind of a disaster would occur? Guess goodbye to the 2050 vision because our human development indicators would keep going down just the way they've been going down the past 20 years.
Please tell us that your prediction depresses you??!!!
all this people you want to be PM a corrupted
So read this jok
Five PNG surgeons are discussing which patients are best to operate on:
The first surgeon says, I like to see Accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.
The second responds, Yes but you should try Electricians! Everything inside them is colour-coded.
The third surgeon says, No, I really think Librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order.
The fourth surgeon chimes in, you know I like Construction Workers, Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when it takes longer than you said it would.
But the last surgeon shuts them all up when he observes you're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brain, and no spine, and there are only two moving parts - the mouth and the arse-hole - and they are interchangeable
Fellow keyboard pushers, when you find the perfect PM candidate you let me know. Otherwise I say Agiru or Namah. Most likely Agiru @ 99.9%. I am not from hela but have been to hela a number of times. Hela has many brainy people but the chap that grunts the most and shows a oratory and warrior traits get the prize. Agiru has it in hela and at the national level. Polye and O'Neill play second fiddle to Agiru and Namah.
1. Peter O'Neill - twice was given a large party but never came back with a large party after elections. He was give the PM by Polye and mostly many familiar cohesion of "devil you knows" that will not go to bed again.
2. Don Polye - sweet talks and has charisma but lacks the strength that makes leaders that draw a following. He let his opportunity pass by letting Peter O'Neill be PM.
3. Puka Temu-A former DPM lacks political skills. You want to play PM politics hang around highlanders and play their politics, like late Bill Skate.
4.Powes Parkop- Beautification of the city with flowers will not get him anywhere. He portrays as one that has run out of gas.
5. Wingti may come back but many of his foundations he demolished. Who ever he supports may come good.
6. J Chan is a clever one and will come back strong but will not have the support as he used to. Like Wingti they never did built up their parties. My guess is Chan and Wingti will support Agiru but not Namah.
7. Mourata gave into Namah and so has Bart Philemon.
8. M Malidina is highlander(mother) and papuan(father). If he can take leadership in the regions of papua then he will go somewhere. He may support Oneill or Agiru or Polye but not wingti because of past ills with wingti and his uncle simon korowa.
9. William Duma lacks the fast talking and thinking of Wingti so he will only play second fiddle.Agiru may look to hurt him. Gov Smith finds Duma easy one to do his bidding than Agiru was.
10. Patrick Purachi and Paul Tasien do not know how to raise a party now that it is given to Polye and Agiru.
11. Dr Danaya is like Temu that needs some highlands blood in his veins to enable following. He will easily follow Agiru.
12a. Illa geno will be a likely good guy but lack the financial muscle to come in with a good PM making number. He has not really talked the public to give a show of what it takes to lead leaders.
12b. Marat or Dion can come strong in a small way. R Namaliu made it to PM only because he took over the Party M Somare built. He lost momentum after he became PM. Momis, Narakobi(late) and Parties never went anywhere when they were unreachable by the simple MPs.
12c. Aurthur will probably go to prison. If not he will support Agiru for PM.
13a. Namaha is an aggressor and is dangerous. Highlanders may not find it appealing to support unless he go broke buying highlands votes for his candidates.
13b. Sam Basil is immature and lacks the doe to run a party.
14. Agiru is good with Papuans with some knowledge of Motu. He easily can comunicate to others but he lacks a stable logistic support machinery. If the chief give him also the NA, then that will be a step forward.
Adding to that if the courts again put michael somare back then I am 99.99% agiru will definitely come back as PM.
I may have missed others. I have been around to know something. Over to you young ones.
Agiru and Namah are crooks, so why would anyone let them lead PNG
January 4 2012, 8:12 PM
It's shocking to me, almost unbelievable, that you would completely ignore the integrity and honesty of a candidate and just evaluate them in terms of whether they know Motu or how much they can wheel and deal. Its like you miss the whole point, the big picture of what leaders should be providing-HONEST leadership. No one's asking for perfection, we're asking for a basic level of honesty. Both Namah and Agiriu are crooks. They hardly even make a pretense of honesty. Why is it that the most important quality of a leader who can truly move us forward doesn't even come on your radar screen?
Of course I'm not arguing that either one might become PM. After all, we know very well that we no longer have a democracy. First, bribery and ballot box stuffing makes sure that our elections are not fair and honest. The richest, most successful bribers usually win (sorry, honest people, you hardly have a chance!!!). More importantly, no MP can become PM unless they succeed at bribing enough MPs to come over to their side. It's all about money, and no one gets money unless they sell their beliefs and convictions to the devil, so to speak.
Of course, because thats the system we now operate under, Agiru and Namah have an excellent chance to become PM. So what? That's PNG's loss.
For integrity and honesty I would rather choose Ila Geno team for a while until they too would be muddied.
Our voices will rarely be of any value where the rubber meets the road and that's at the ballot.
If these men Bire and Robert Lepatu win these years election, I prefer them to be the next Prime Minister Post.I know them and they both have leadership values and above all they both God fearing family men. thanks up to you young ones.
A DARK HORSE IS COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND IS LOOKING VERY DANGEROUS WHEN THEY COME AROUND THE BEND FOR THE STRAIGHT INTO FINISH. WE CANNOT UNDER RATE AND UNDER ESTIMATE HIM.
WHEN ON THE STRAIGHT, THIS DARK HORSE WILL COME FLYING FROM THE OUTSIDE.....JUST WAIT N SEE.
I have tried to be as objective in my observations when I came up with Agiru or Namah as potential PM after the election. The Party Leader that commands a large party is the one that the GG invites to form the Government straight after the election.
The names like Bire or Robert or for that matter an unknown dark horse will hardly be considered by the GG.
Wishful thinking will not do. Be Objective(not subjective) and rationally analysis the trend. The leader that comes with a large party will be called to form government.
Of course there is the slim exception where the above fails and I will give you the benefit of doubt that your dream horses will come home.
LETS PUT IT THIS WAY. THE DARK HORSE ALSO HAS THE CHARISMA WHICH THE OTHERS LACK TO LURE AND DRAW NUMBERS. THE ONLY PERSON IN THAT CATEGORY FROM HISTORY TO DATE IS THE GC SOMARE AND HE COULD COME BACK WITH THE NUMBERS AGAIN, BUT HE LOOKS MORE FRAIL NOWADAYS AND MIGHT FALL SHORT. ALL THE OTHERS PAST PMs BESIDES THE GC SOMARE HAVE NOT BEEN MANDATED PMs. THEY HAVE GRABBED POWER, OR BY FLUKE OR ALSO BY TECHNICAL LOOPHOLES BUT NOT ON THE REAL BATTLEFIELD. YOU CAN CURRENTLY SEE THEIR STRENGTH WITH THEIR PARTY NUMBERS- FROM 1 TO NOT MORE THAN 12.
In the History of PNG politics no new member of Parliament was ever chosen as PM.
Right now Namah was on talkback today calling for Oneill to resign as PM for undermining him (Namah) on the Indonesian incident. Namah, Basil and co were money laundering US$250million using government aircraft.
Chief Somare is lining up 4 top Aussie lawyers to bring the Oneil-Namah camp to court.
Interesting. I say Agiru or Namah will come back as PM July 2012.
Thanks for correcting me "check your facts!".
Sir Mekere (first term MP) became PM because Wingti lost his seat (1997) because Winti gave the leadership to Sir Mekere.
It was late Sir Skate that became PM in start of that term of Parliament in 1997.
What I really meant is straight after an election.
Having said that the other way a new MP can be PM is by taking leadership from a failed party leader.
I guess with the new Organic Law on Political Party once the leader of the Largest party after an election does not make it to Parliament then it may fall on the Party to choose a freshman.
So I was wrong in not allowing for those possibilities.
we cannot surely know who will be the new pm after 2012 election. It could be anyone of them, regardless of they being thiefs, come today gone tomorrow, charismatic, etc, etc. The party which brings in more mps will form the government and the leader becomes the pm.
So he could be anyone and we cannot tell the future yet.
Let tomorrow worries about itself. Do not waste today's strength thinking and worrying about tomorrow. We will know who will be the next PM when the time comes. For now assess the leadership qualities of the intending candidates.
Liklik tingting tasol.
I think clown prince belden has tightened the leash around basil and boito so ol maus pas istap. as if they'd say anything anyway- accountability has no place in png politics! meanwhile baby belden has had his little tantrum for the day and papa peter came and gave him his susu to calm his A.D.D
who is in control...?Now I hear that heap of png ports suspended...does this sound like augustine mano all over again...? hahah ah now belden's Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is really getting out of hand...can someone give that childish, illiterate moron some lego to play with so he doesn't wreck our constitution and public service anymore?
He was only accompanying the Deputy PM so any decision about who else was on the flight could hardly be questioned by Sam Basil or any of the others on the flight.
I don't think he has anything to hide but is bound by the same rules of loyalty to the Gov't of the day etc etc.
The notion that Anderson Agiru will be Prime Minister is an half baked assesment.
I mean how can one be Prime Minister without first getting the mandate from the Hela people. Hela has written him off. Mark my word his popularity has dwindled and the Hela people have written him off. He does not even stand a chance of making it in the top three.I am willing to bet on this assesment come June 2012.
I dont intend to surprise anyone here but thats the assesment based on situation on the ground.
Question #5 is obivious cause these old dogs are reaching the age where O'neil government passed a law last year for ages 70-72 cannot contest the PM post. I think young vabranted MP's are not too wise. They in degraded this privileges for some reason that too scared of Somare regime.
Polye has to change and humble himself to earn the respect of the people and his colleagues to be a leader esp PM magnitute. Its not an easy task to be PM. You have to have 99% of all the leadership atributes to be PM. If Polye can humble himself, come lower and listen to the man on the ground, moderate that feeling of pride in him, lower his egoistics chants then he has a chance.
Its my own judgement. Eventhough PNG is land of the unexpected, politics is a thing that what you expect always happen.
Have a top weekend friends and lets post some constructive issues and items to educate each other. Even if you support a political party or individual lets express that in a decent and presentable manner.
If he can embezzle millions in the short time to provide for his candidates he probably have a chance.
A lot of missed opportunities. Opportunity missed is opportunity lost.
Maybe he might make it if Triumph Heritage Empowerment (THE) party (quite a mouthful) is successful.
Triumph Heritage Empowerment is a mouthful for ordinary citizens to say or even remember. Polye should have gone for a simpler one. That also makes matters more complicated. WHo suggested this mouthful name, come on guys, we are living in Papua New Guinea, not in UK, US or AU. Can you change the name if you have enough time to do that?
A brief SWOT analysis on current MPs who are listed as potential PMs after 2012 national elections reveals that that none of them have the necessary qualities/qualifications to be PM. The older MPs such as Bart, Sir Mekere to name a few have compromissed to personal interest and survival whilst young ones such as Basil, Namah, Max Gramme and O'niel are certainly recepies for disaster when you pool them together.
The current political impasse presented a golden opportunity for any one of them who was of a PM material to provide effective leadership and change the status quo and take the country forward. However, as none of them were of a PM material, they were too scared to step forward and provide that leadership which PNG needed badly to change the status quo. Providing effective and firm leadership at such crucial time for the better is an element of charesmatic leadership in contemporary PNG. None of them had the guts to do it because they had everything to loose which they did not earn it in the first place anyway.
Therefore, a PM for PNG after 2012 elections must be someone new, well educated, known for fighting corruption, provides neutral commentaries on important national issues without fear and favour and one that can be trusted and respected throughout the country. The person that meets these qualifications at this point in time is Professor John Nonggorr. I hear he is contesting the 2012 elections and in the event he wins, he is a better choice amongst all others.
Sode, Igara, etc not yet qualified....wait 100 years
January 23 2012, 9:20 PM
These idiots are known as labourers of work life but they don't spend sufficient time back in their local electorates so their voters don't know them.
They can get ****** coz we are not civilized like America or Australia for Sode, Igara or anybody who live similar lifestyle as these persons to be recognized & voted in based on merits.
A simple grade six can screw their ash..........holes when it comes to PNG politics. Come on, be realistic & get real life. Don't hide out in your airconditioned office & think you're a big guy known by everybody.
Frankly speaking, I'm from David Sode's village but not even our own relatives know him well.
Ino samptin blon get angry ahhhhh, mi tok stret of what's out there in PNG politics.......
A person who is jack of all trades will win the PM. Master of a trade cannot become PM as they are good at playing advisory roles. Look at Obama & Gillard. They aint professors, business executives, etc..... but they are people minded, service oriented & liked by their people.
Great leaders are visionary. they are not masters of any particular trade, they use master of trades for the common good to serve the people the leaders have.
Look at Paul Keating, grade 10 leaver, one of Australia's finest reformist prime minister. He changed Australia to be a economic super power, he just visualizes something and gets to work and the results are just comes into his plans.
Paias Wingti is my option for this kind of leader, master of none...
Leaders are those not measured by level of education, specialties or master of a trade, religion, etc. Leaders are those with wisdom and people focused. He is a manager and as well put a jack of all trades. Other attributes fall into place and with wisdom leaders don't consult the books to make decisions. Decisions are made based on what you see needs to be done and technocrats facilitate and implements plans.
Old and decrepit things should be thrown out
Smelly things should not be covered in perfume but rather washed and hung out to dry
Babies that need their daipers changed should be kept away from adult conversation
If you get caught with your pants down you should hide your face
If your piggy fingers get caught taking a piece of every pie you should be sent to your room without food
Don't vote for the 'old dogs' who stole your money and your land
Don't vote for the corrupt politicians who have tried to hide their crimes
Don't vote for the young idiots who keep their noses firmly planted in the old dogs' rears
Don't vote for blatant criminals
Don't vote for people in jail AND
Don't vote for the one who gives you K50
Use your heads, find the right balance of eloquence and vision, not the short 2 year term but the 20 year plan.
Fully subscribe with your comments WIM012. There will be no one left to vote for ... as all 109 fail to meet the criteria, intending ones won't be any differnt INCLUDING the 20 women politicians ... am voting for MILITARY RULE ..... Lets do it !!!
My friend you should not post anything here because this blog is not for low lives like you. You are one of those retarded scavengers who is extremely sick in your head. If you goona post those kind of staff don't visit this blog. Because of people with mentalities like you are destroying this country while some are attempting to correct the roots of the cohorts you associate with. You lousy low life creature, do not post on this blog again, you are not even worth a single penny.
First my friend, this is not a blog - learn the difference between discussion forums vs blogs on the internet, otherwise it makes you sound ignorant. None of us want that.
Second, that fellow and anyone else can post pretty much whatever they like, wherever they like. If they want to give their opinion here, they can do so. If they're censored, they can repost their views. If their IP is banned, they can move to another internet cafe, etc., and continue reposting.
Thus, your recommendations to that person to go away are both flawed and easy for them to ignore.
Childish and nonsense comments are NOT recoomended here.
PNG need a change and its you that must change your attidude first and sick head.
There was a greater and supreme force that was behind the reformation of the government. Its not by man, man's power can not change the government like this in a short period of time and keep situations under control.
If this was in other countries then there would be blood sheets all over the Nation.
True, true this is a Christian Country and The Creator Himself is in control. He does not want the corrupt leaders to rule the Nation and make the all Nation suffer.
I think God is anwering the prayers and cries of His people.
I do not know what will happen tomorrow but God knows and He will appoint right leaders to lead us into the right way not to increase corruption again.
So if you are Christian then kneel down and join the others in prayers if you want change in our country.
Isn't it funny that it's so easy to find Buddhist, Hindu and Moslem nations that are in better shape than we are. Yet you say that God is watching over us instead because we're Christian? I don't think so, mate!
You're imagining things. Wake up and smell the realities of the world.
Be careful with your mouth!!!
I think you are not living in PNG and have not watched the situation in the last few days. If you are still living here you should go and live in the Buddhist, Hindu and Moslem nations and find out yourself.
We are so blessed here in PNG.
Its the leaders that are corrupt and we need to replace them.
We need to elect God fearing people and let then rule our Nation.
I think you have been living in a cave to be so ignorant of the outside world. One doesn't have to live overseas to become well informed. Just for a start, we can name India, Malaysia, Singapore, Japan, China, Jordan, etc etc - none of them Christian nations and all of them far more politically stable than PNG. Then there are the Christian basketcase banana republics such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, PNG, Mexico, etc etc.
Of course we are so blessed here in PNG. And of course its the leaders that are corrupt and we need to replace them. The question is (can you answer it?) is how to replace corrupt leaders with non-corrupt ones. You must have lived overseas for many of the past elections in PNG because each time we say the same ol same ol thing, that we need to elect God fearing people and let then rule our Nation. And each time we end up with another bunch of crooks. Meanwhile, many other nations, both Christian and non-Christian, seem to show much greater capabilities of electing leaders who behave themselves, and those leaders (like Julia Gilliard of Australia who is a declared athiest) aren't always God fearing.
It is simplistic to think that:
-those who say they are God fearing are God fearing.
-those who are Christian make better leaders than those who are not.
-that the most stable, accomplished nations in the world are Christian, or that developed nations that call themselves Christian actually have many citizens that really practice their faith.
Those are the realities of the world, easily confirmed if you'll just start using your internet time to read the news of the world. Please, wigman-wake up and smell the coffee, mate!
Guys, Agree with your comment that we need god fearing leaders. But the fact is as we speak there are people already fronting up the current members and new canididates houses for hand out both cash and kind. Guys this is real and happening now. You have your own stories to tell. How do we educate our votes so they dont think with their stomach? People Our X belong to the right candidates. Use it wisely.
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with O'Neill running as PM again, but he needs to get rid of his wingman namah! Fair enough, namah may have served a purpose in getting rid of somare but we can't have him as a leader any longer. He's a real threat to peace! Too emotional and fiery! I wish indonesia climbed the border briefly to bend him over and remind him who's boss in the region.
Peter Oniel 15/1 -Current sitting PM. free education, free health and fighting corruption in his
favour. yet to win PNG support. Small party. One to watch
Mekere Morauta 20/1 - Economy architect, party to return half of current sitting MP.
Sir Julius 100/1 - Not popular with NIlannders. Strong indication will loose elections.
Ila Geno 300/1 - unknown - confusing party policy platform - unknown - may NOT win
Puka Temu 50/1 - Has not made any significant contribution - later
Pius WInti 20/1 - A good chance BUT he has to beat OLGA.
Don Polye 10/1 - The largest party in current govt. Expect half of them to return. Interesting
Sam Basil 80/1 - Better known in Waigani and media. Yet to convince voters. risky
Sam Abal 5/1 - Will ride on Somare popularity - Age limit restricts Somare - Abal walks in
Michael Somare 2/1 - Only PM that has won after each election. History behind him. Big threat
Belden Nama 200/1 - reckless - voters have seen his true colors - will NOT win seat. ouch !!
Oniell MUST get back as the PM because he has shown a lot of promise as our PM. Fighting corruption, Free Eduction, Free Health and SWF are good programs that MUST be maintained - HOWEVER Oniell knows himself that Somare remains the ONLY THREAT !!!
Polye had opportunity since 2007 and he was not able to get a top job. You say he has charisma but, why did he not strike a top job when Somare was almost gone.
If you are saying O'Neill has no chance, I think you letting your kok think and talk for you. Polye is nothing even if he is Finance minister now.
Somare was old man and he could not take top job, Polye will have to fight another person but stronger than him.
Bata, it was merely a comment and expressed view. Sorry but the truth can hurt some times. Don is the formidable and most like PM candidate come June 2012. O'Neill has been relying on his anti-Somare campaign but come June 2012, its every man-for-himself. Yu kisim? Laka?
Its one thing to support a corrupt person to become leader of the land because we don't know he's corrupt. Its quite another thing to support a known corrupt person and promote them to become the leader of the land. Don Polye is known to be thoroughly corrupt, the stories of his corruption are spread over the internet and also whispered in the halls of power in Moresby. His illegal payoff of VC Eastcott at UPNG is only the tip of the iceberg because Don Polye has also become strangely very rich on just an MPs/Minister's salary.
Yet, you support the fellow. I assume that either you're not a Christian, are corrupt yourself, or just plain stupid, but if I'm wrong, could you please explain to us all how you could possibly promote or support a known corrupt personality to become our next PM?
I agree, but give me one PM - past or future - who will not be a crook.
The best we can do in PNG politics is support the lesser crook.
O'Neill has his head in the right place, but namah doesnt cut it.
its been my experience that people who say things like what Pondo says-that any PM we get is going to be corrupt-are corrupt themselves and wouldnt want to see themselves excluded from career opportunities because of their corruption. I reckon Pondo either steals time, money or materials from his place of work, sees no problem with buying stolen goods off of street vendors, or engages in kinda scammy little bisnis on the side.
Thats just been my experience with people like Pondo who defend corrupt people.......
PM Oneil and Chief Advisor Jimmy Maladina money Launderers: Post Courier NPF Reports.
February 24 2012, 1:10 PM
People check this out. NPF Commision of Enqueris Report: Post Courier.
The report from the NPF saga, its very old but nothing has been done about it because all the law enforcing agencies in PNG were bought off.
Now Oneil is PM and Jimmy Maladina is his chief advisor.
What do you think?
Money laundering trail led to lawyers.
THE National Provident Fund Inquiry report has revealed a financial scam that led to the Japanese construction company Kumagai Gumi paying out K2.5 million to several beneficiaries in a money laundering scheme hatched by former NPF chairman Jimmy Maladina and corporate lawyer Herman Leahy.
The commission has recommended that both men should be referred to the Commissioner of Police to determine whether criminal charges of fraud, criminal conspiracy and or other charges should be brought against them.
The commission found that Trustees of the NPF who attended a board meeting on February 8, 1999, failed in their fudiciary duty to the members of the fund by failing to inquire into a proposal to settle Kumagai Gumi’s claim for between K53million and K55 million for the construction of the NPF Tower.
Of that amount, K2.5 million was to be used for the Maladina and Leahy fraudulent scheme.
The money was paid in six installments by Kumagai Gumi to Ken Yapane and Associates and to Cartel Newell Lawyers.
The report states:
“Commission staff have expended an enormous amount of effort tracing the money trail, issuing over 200 summonses in this process.
“The task was made difficult because the fraudulent conspirators used devious methods to try and cover the trail by paying the six progress payments from Kumagai through a variety of bank accounts, including the trust and general accounts of Carter Newell, the accounts of Port Moresby First National Real Estate (PMFNRE) and through interest bearing deposits with Nambawan Finance and Fincorp into the accounts of various corporate entities owned by or associated with the conspirators.
“Most of the funds held in the Carter Newell accounts were for the benefit of Mr Maladina or spent on his direction. Most of the fraudulent funds, which were laundered through the accounts of PMFNRE, were for the benefit of Peter O’Neill.
“The various streams of money went in and out of these accounts but the commission is satisfied that the vast bulk of it has been traced to an end destination.
“Even when the end destination turns out to be a large cash payment in K50 bills, in many cases the commission staff have been able to identify who collected the money from the bank by the notations made by bank staff on the cheques.
“For example, in some instances, the notes were picked up by the Carter Newell driver or clerk and, in the absence of any alternative explanation, the commission has been able to find, on other evidence that the money was taken for the benefit of Mr Maladina.
“With great skill and patience, those assisting the commission have traced and exposed all these devices, which formed the money “laundering” process.
“The next step was to widen the net by tracing how the funds were disposed off to see who benefitted.
It also involved investigating the role of PMFNRE, its principals and employees and ascertaining the relationship between Carter Newell, its partner Mr Maladina, PMFNRE its managers Maurice Sullivan and Ken Barker and Peter O’Neill whose activities and funds were intricately interwoven with the affairs of PMFNRE.”
The commission reports firstly on its tracing of Kumagai’s six payments of the fraud money.
Each of the six Kumagai payments are methodically traced into the relevant Carter Newell account or PMFNRE account:
No. 1 for K401,032.30
Kumagai payment No.1 was traced through the account of Ken Yapane and Associates to PMFNRE from which some of it was invested in IBD with Nambawan Finance.
In giving evidence Mr Barker of PMFNRE committed perjury and has been referred for prosecution.
He subsequently left PNG and the jurisdiction of the commission.
The commission has found:-
(a) From Kumagai payment No.1 of K401,032.30, the sum of K2032.30 was retained by Ken Yapane and Associates.
(b) The residual sum of K399,000 was laundered through the bank accounts of Ken Yapane & Associates, then Kuntila Company No. 35 Limited, then Mr and Mrs Barker and then deposited into account No. 246204 of Port Moresby First National Real Estate with PNGBC Port Moresby Branch.
(c) The sum of K300,000 was withdrawn from this account and invested by Port Moresby First National Real Estate in an IBD with Nambawan Finance Limited.
(d)The residual sum of K99,000 deposited into Port Moresby First National Real Estate Account No. 246204 with PNGBC Port Moresby was disbursed from that account .
(e) Mr Barker gave false evidence before the commission on December 1, 2000. Normally the commission would direct counsel assisting to refer Mr Barker to the Commissioner for Police to investigate whether he has committed the crime of perjury.
Mr Barker, however, is now residing permanently in Australia and to refer him would be a waste of resources. If he should ever return to PNG, he should be referred for investigation.
No.2 for K652,421.29
Kumagai payment No.2 for K652,421.29 was traced through Mr Yapane’s personal account to Finance Corporation and hence, after Mr Maladina’s instructions to Barbara Perks, office manager at Carter Newell Lawyers, was withdrawn and paid to Carter Newell Trust Account and to PMFNRE.
The commission has found that:
(f) Mr Yapane retained K5409.29 and K30,000 for himself.
(g) He split the balance into two streams of K285,000 and K332,000 both of which he paid into the Finance Corporation (Fincorp).
(h) These two streams were split into four sub-streams, three of which were paid into the Carter Newell Trust Account as follows:
l Fincorp # 794643 — K70,000 John Lousia
l Fincorp # 794721— K216,156.65 John Lousia
l Fincorp # 821685 — K189,854.27 Kerowa Tiki
No. 3 for K595,453
The commission has traced this money through Mr Yapane’s personal account onwards at Mr Maladina’s direction to Fincorp on behalf of Carter Newell’s Trust for John Lousia (pseudonym for Jimmy Maladina) from which it was split and paid partly to PMFNRE and partly to Carter Newell.
The commission has found:
(i) Of the K560,000 not retained by Mr Yapane, Finance Corporation cheque # 776040 for K300,000 dated May 12, 1999, went to Port Moresby First National Real Estate.
(j) The balance, the commission finds, went to Carter Newell Lawyers with interest as follows:-
(i) Finance Corporation cheque # 794454 for K150,000 on June 11, 1999 (CN No. 2 Account)
(ii) Finance Corporation cheque # 794483 for K112,768.35 on June 16, 1999 (John Lousia).
No 4 for K446,841.84
The commission has traced this money through Mr Yapane’s personal account onwards on Mr Maladina’s instructions to be invested in Fincorp for Mr Maladina’s company Ferragamo Ltd and then into Carter Newell Trust Account (Kerowa Tiki File).
The commission has found that:
The payment for K440,000 derived from fraudulent Kumagai payment No.4 and interest went to Carter Newell Lawyers in the form of Finance Corporation cheque # 821711 while Mr Yapane retained the difference of K6,887.84 plus K50 cash. It was eventually paid into Carter Newell Trust Account (Kerowa Tiki File).
Kumagai Payment No.5 and No.6 for K421,651.57 and K132,500
The commission has traced this money directly to the bank account of Carter Newell (Kerowa Tiki File) .
(k) The total received by Ken Yapane & Associates out of Payment # 1 was K2032-30.
(l) The total received by Mr Yapane personally was:
Payment # 2: 35,409.29
Payment # 3: K35,445.00
Payment # 4: K6,937.84
(m) These moneys were received as a result of a criminal fraud and were benefits received within the meaning of the commission’s Terms of Reference.
(n) Mr Yapane should be referred to the Commissioner for Police to consider whether he should be charged with a criminal offence in relation to these payments.
(o) Mr Yapane should also be referred to the Commissioner for Police for being party to the manufacturing and production of false documents intended to interfere with the work of the Commission of Inquiry.
Re: PM Oneil and Chief Advisor Jimmy Maladina money Launderers: Post Courier NPF Reports.
February 24 2012, 5:25 PM
Both Maladina and O'Neill were prosecuted but got off 'not guilty' not because they didn't steal money but because they paid high priced lawyers to get off on technicalities, combined with back door pressure on the prosecuting lawyers.
BTW is O'Neill hiring Jimmy these days for any behind the scenes legal work?
word to the wise, its called "being realisitic"!
But maybe this doesnt exist in your world of utopia?
Past, present or future png will never have a pm who isnt corrupt!
With regard to careers, stealing, etc, etc, I make enough money from my career which, luckily, has nothing to do with the public sector or kissing the arses of png's politicians. And stealing from my place of business wouldnt work either because my family owns the business... you dumb arse!
Honestly, people should donate money so he could form his own political party and start his politicing. Let's make this whole election and all 109 MPs into the big national joke that Kanage is capable of portraying them as.
I'll try my hand at making some campaign posters for him to put up around POM.
Good analysis,but unfortunately, becoming PM is a numbers' game. As the law stands, the leader of the party with the largest number of winnng candidates wil be called upon by the GG to form government after the elections. That is why the major parties in the current coalition are recruiting sitting MPs. Assuming that PNG voters will sell their votes once more, and knowing that sitting MPs have public monies at their disposal, they have a better chance of winning. As such, my prediction is that either O'Neil, Polye or Namah will return as PM after the elections.
In 2007 it was flat out bribery. Somare bribed 40 MPs at the run of K1 million each, all thanks to the generosity of Rimbunan Hijau. If it hadn't been for the malaysian support, Somare wouldn't have formed the government in 2007.
Get it straight. We no longer have a democracy. Our governments are bought off by money.
It is apparent that most PNG politicians are hell bent on the money on offer from potential PM candidates.
O'Neill is corrupt as hell. Somare is the worst of all evils. Namah behaves like an immmature brat. Temu has a lot of unanswered queries during his term as Lands Minister. Parkop's beautification program is a waste of money.Marat is the smart lawyer behind O'Neill's reign.
The current batch of PNG politicians do not have the charisma to be a PM.
It is quite apparent and analysing from current political trends, no “big parties” will win the most seats simply because;
• The big parties have done late recruitments of candidates
• Those intending candidates they attracted were most likely after funding from the big guns
• Despite having recruited top prominent candidates (with PHD, Top bras public servant, etc) they may not fare well in the 2012 elections due to their relationships with their local people
• Candidates who got good chances of winning may not want to be seeing as little boys in big parties
The voters are quite familiar with cash flooding coming election season so wont be moved with cash flow from big parties. Having said that, it is my opinion that the next PM will be from a “small party” with most numbers and its government formed by coalition of parties. Come nomination period we should confirm names of party leaders and who should most likely be the next PM of PNG