The CHURCHES must have a voice in Parliament too - Number of Churches Reps depends on how many Christain denominations we have in PNG and minimum will be 22 representing 22 provinces!
So we are going to need a bigger Parlaiment House to seat everyone!
Okay Lapun, but first we must understand the definition of the word Youth and not see it at PNG context.
According to the Free Online Merriam-Webster dictionary youth means ;
1. 'the time of life one is young especially the period between childhood and maturity'
2. 'the early period of existence, growth or development.
Also according to the United Nations General Assemby; youth are recognized as persons between the ages of 14-24 years old.
Having these considered, Parliament is no place of youngsters joy riding on tax payers money because basically we'll be having immature reps occupying parliament seat.
The purpose of parliament reps are to ensure intellectual and mature debates on legislative issues.
Now we should not define youth in our own PNG context and apply it at the international level. Those who are above the ages of 24 years plis consider youselves adults and stop taking advantage on the situation of 22 reserve seats and acting as if you're a youth.
Finally, I believe persons 25 years and over are eligible to enter parliament. So basically the issue of 22 reserve seats for youth has no legal standing according to our laws.
If adults are pushing for this, plis come with a new name and not youth.
@bkstyx...What is the difference with which group is legal and which group is not? Democratic society does not holds special exceptions and special arrangements for certain groups to enter parliament.Democratic society holds that process where we educate people to vote quality candidates, men AND women on merit at equal stage.If we, by legislation decide to move or remove the goalposts because we consider the women as second class and need a special platform,by legislation, we will get the youths into parliament.We will, by legisation extend the parliament so we can have 22 wowmen, 22 youths, 22 disabled, 22 gays and lesbians, 22 all kinds!!!. Yes, that is possible by legislating the democratice process of election.You say "youth" has no place in parliament? I say no.In this country any group will enter parliament if you start giving certain groups of society concession to parliament!!!.
As Charles Dickens wrote in 'A Tale of Two Cities': "IT WAS the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way-..."
Let foolishness reign in PNG if the morons vote this stupid bill into law. Every other interest group such as youths and religions should push for their own reps in parliament - and build a bigger circus in the Waigani Swamp to accommodate everyone.
Reserved seats for women only is a joke, and a bad one. Those women who scream for special seats and become all too vocal do not represent the average PNG woman, NO. They consist of a small group of mainly feminists, having no real family of their own, many are divorcees with troubled marriages and bad relationships, wandering around, probing here and there to lobbying themselves into acquiring power with backing from the very irrelevant United Nations which has absolutely nothing good to offer our people. By all means if it does become law, because our MPs weren't able think rationally, paint the 22 seats pink, all in one corner of the chamber and allow 20 percent of Question Time for those in pink seats to nag all they like against the mandated leaders. It should automatically become the section of POM POM girls in the pink corner, entertaining the MPs and guests. I wouldn't be surprised if they were mocked on how they got in and occupied the pink seats. Please paint the 22 seats PINK!
Any rightminded can but it is the age that matters.
November 4 2011, 1:40 PM
Yes, I agree but the point is maturity. Youth is defined as persons between the ages of 14-24 years.
And our laws don't allow immature persons or persons under the age of 25 years to contest elections or enter Parliament.
In this matter, anybody can enter parliament but must be 25 yrs old or above. So you see, it would mean that youths (between 14 and 24 yrs) cannot because of their age and immaturity. Man, I hope you understand!....
Re: Any rightminded can but it is the age that matters.
November 4 2011, 10:10 PM
Yeah , don't forget to reserve 22 seats for the gays, poofters and pimps too...maybe the 22 seats at the back or "rear" end of the parliament seating rows - they also have their rights. Otherwise let the women go and stand for elections and get elected in ...unfortunately there is only one women MP at the moment - plus a few gay MP's as well ....they have obviously done better than the women,
Png is a christian country and our constitution was drafted based on these principles, so friend you idea of 22 reserve seats for gays, poofters, pimps, lesbians and all these evil people is just totally nonsense.
I know you are so worried about the 22 seats for women. But friend I regret to tell you that the last reading is just 2weeks away and it will be passed. If you have better ideas pls do so, otherwise jst don't worry too much..
Samtin blo traim ya, if our women cannot perform then amendments can be made to better utilize the potential women have.
this is not a trail and error thing. Just a waste of time,planning, finance and many
other things associated with the 22 reserved seats. For a start, too many seats reserved
for a group that always calls for equality. So if all does not go well, what? Do we
say sorry and scrape the whole thing? Poor decision.
Now if the MPs are crying for a pay rise, me as a tax payer will pay extra again to
accommodate all of them? What happens to me and my family? Atin bai mi raun lo bus
full time na sampla bai sindaun lo aircon car na drive raun...
Other countries do have women reserved seats but are elected through a local gov't
system. Not only women but disables, youths, ethnicity, religion, minority groups, etc.
So what happens to the rest? Tell me, where is the fairness and balance in that?
With due respect to women, this is totally unfair in a democratic society. Now please can
someone inform me what difference the 22 reserve seats will make. In a society where greed
and corruption is deeply rooted, gov't after gov't promising that it will rid the country off it.
Believe me, it will always be there.
We obviously have a conflict there. Is this a quota system that our gov't is trying to implement?. It is less complicated to implement quotas for an appointed post than for an elected one. At elections, the quota system touches the very foundation of the democratic process and may clash with the ideal that it is up to the voters to choose the representatives they want.
Since it is men who are opening up these spaces, they will seek out women who they will be able to manage women who will more easily accept the hegemony of men. Is this what we are going to see?
You say: "Having these considered, Parliament is no place of youngsters joy riding on tax payers money because basically we'll be having immature reps occupying parliament seat."
The facts: Parliament reached that state a number of years ago. Have you ever sat in on a session of Parliament and watched the childishness that goes on?
Try another argument. The one you gave doesn't work
There is a thing called democratic elections which selects men or women into power. Anything else like reserved seats is a bastardisation of democracy and weakens leadership. Women must win elections in their own right.
Of course, the bill when passed women will not be appointed but be elected to parliament.. Each province will send in a women rep. to basically give their feminine point of view regarding legislative issues and decision making. So we will be voting the women in just like we usually vote in our MPs... The only difference is the seat will only be contested by women themselves.
This is to make sure we have enough women voice in parliament.
It was disgusting and pathetic to see some prominent and well known CON MAMA'S in the launching yesterday on EMTV news. Most women there were genuine but some well known women who are around POM who move around and live off political handouts and donations were there too. That is the whole reason why I do not support this bill. There are hard working women leaders out there living all across PNG who are not given an opportunity to participate in this. It's only the few recycled so called women leaders or advocates living in POM who are pushing go this. The will definitely get in and form a perfect kitchen cabinet for the government.
I strongly think that there is no fair selection on the 22 women seats all across PNG but is just being run by a few so called women leaders living in POM. Therefore this bill should be withdrawn and women should be allowed to represent people in Parliment by th normal democratic process of elections. Otherwise these handpicked 22 women will make alot of noice in the kitchen and will cook and serve according to the governments set menu. After all they were been appointed by the goverment of the day so they need to support the government.
SO WOMEN MUST NOT GET A FREE PASS INTO THE PARLIAMENT BUT BE VOTED IN LIKE EVERY OTHER MP. THIS WAY THEY ARE NOT ONLY MANDATED BY THE PEOPLE BUT ONLY THEN THAT THEIR VOICES WILL BE HEARD.
Basically, Parliament is the House of elected representatives and how the hell do you think our women reps will get in?
Obviously, the women will have to contest the 22 seats to be in Parliament.
The bunch of CON MAMAs you saw in the Launching of the Women's 22 seat lobbying are just extreme feminist advocates pushing for the bill.
The biggest thing is women who enter Parliament thru this bill will have to be voted by us the people. As I have said, Parliament is a House of Elected Reps.
Okay, passing the bill is just the first stage. Onec the bill is passed, proper processes and preocedures wil come into place... who knows you might end up voting for women reps in your own province during the 2012 national elections.
Sad, these con mamas are just pushing in to have voice in parliament. If they want to contest, we the voters will have our final say whether to vote them in or not.
The idea of 22 women seats is to have gender-based decision making in parliament and not to give free pass to women into parliament. And they wil be voted in and not by appointment. Basically, it is just a creation of 22 seats because it is thought that it is necessary
make gender-based decisions after all the ********* and crap done by the male dominated House.
Why won't you name any of the kon mamas so we can be aware of them? Is it because they're your relatives or because you're afraid of them, or because there aren't actually any kon mamas? I mean, what's the reason for your not naming them?
@ Confused.. Its clear why you put your pen name as "Confused' ..ask EMTV for a copy of the tape of last nights news and you will see the Con Mamas the writer is referring too. They use small women, business houses and other groups to get funding to run some many "Womens" activities ...nothing fruitful ...some use the monies collected to run unsuccessful businesses and contest elections...its was a sick sight - I agree with the previous writer - WOMEN NEED TO BE VOTED IN - EM TASOL ....follow whats happening in POM and you will see who the genuine Men and women are and who are the black sheep.
Why all the talking.Put a few women in for a trial period.Get a group of women in there and call it a womens commission or something.Like give them observer status of some sort.
People will see how they perform in government floor during debates etc and when they happen to decide they want to run for election (office) then they resign from the comission and run as normal candidates.Like everyone else.
Some of them probably just need a little exposer to show voters what they are capable of.
@bkstyx...PNG has a vibrant democracy where women have always been allowed to enter politics on equal footing and on the same stage under the ballot box. This democratic society equally embraces, freely permits women AND men to contest elections and win. Abajiah, Rooney and Kidu contested against men and won. Since when has PNG surpassed women of PNG that you need special permission to enter parliament?. PNG's political history has never surpassed women. Those feminists lobbyists must not giaman the international community that PNG women are surpassed in the political area. PNG has not!!!. What is wrong with you educated PNG women??? ...do you need special privilege?. This is way below for PNG women. In fact, PNG women are too dignified for that.
In a country that's half women and has only elected what, 2 or 3 women ever to parliament, it is laughable for you to say with a straight face that women have always had equal footing. Yes, you can continue saying it again and again to yourself, hoping that the more times you say it the more likely it will become true, but 'equal footing' is nothing more than a legend in your mind, as well as probably in the minds of many PNG male pigs.
Dont demand respect from the rooftops.Roll your selves up and work hard, compete against the men folks and earn your respect.Get to parliament the easy way and you loose respect...why?? you are not MANDATED!!.
Slaves around the world, dont demand respect from the rooftops.Roll your selves up and work hard, compete against our masters and earn your respect.Get freedom the easy way and you loose respect...why?? you are not MANDATED!!.
FRIEND! It's that comparison that goes through my mind every time I read your same, tired, old argument about women and parliament.
The most stupid and dummest thing I ever hear in politics is that since women make up half the population, we should have half the seats filled in by women. These people being thoroughly brainwashed by the feminist doctrine have lost all sense of reason, democracy and parliamentary process of selecting the most appropriate people into government by the people through the election process.
The most ugliest and destructive form of government will emerge when reason and sanity will be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness & feminism when true democracy will be suspended to entertain a stupid notion called QUOTA, as determined by the rat-brained nonsense of getting females into power because they make up half the population, whether they qualify or not matters not. We are witnessing the subtle erosion of democracy as engineered by external forces to ram down our throat their male-hating, anti family, godless ideologies as they've done in other counties.
This is nothing but a forceful takeover of our democracy by minority groups, the feminists, who claim to represent half the population but in reality, they are agents of a global network of feminists driving democracies against the wall to have their agents firmly planted in government.
Wake up PNG. These women do not represent your average mama na susa long ples. They are different kettle of fish which some people fall for, thinking that its good for women and families. It is not. Resist.
Not only do you sound like the old 'mastas' but more precisely, you sound just like the ugly whites in Oz who didn't want aboriginals to have any advantages to make up for the centuries of disadvantages. They were saying exactly the same thing as you against QUOTA, QUOTA, QUOTA. You're no woman. You're a man, and you're pissed off that women might somehow get the advantages and dominance that you think is your God given right.
Come in thru the front door of parliament and EARN some respect.
QUOTA compromises with quality in anything, it dilutes democracy and cheapens leadership. Don't ever consider yourself a leader if you were helped in through special legislation. You're no leader but activist getting in through all and any means other than established processes. Shame on you lot.
Of course women will be MANDATED because of the simple fact that they will be voted in and not by appointment... PLIS STREET MAN, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND COS THIS DISCUSSION SEEM TO BE GETTING NOWAY...
Mi man lo ples na mipela ol man ino save larem ol meri kam insait lon haus man,olgeta meri igat sore tingting na ol ino gat strongpela tingting olsem man. wanwan sampela yes ol isave tingting olsem man na mekim strong pela disisen.mipela man wokim toktok lo go fight wantaim birua na ol meri harim ol i save tok out hariap turu bikos ol i sore hariap.so wankain olsem bai kamap lon palemen haus na sapos planti meri nating go lon Palemen, yumi ol man lukaut! ol meri bai rausim bol blo yumi ol man na hangamap wantaim rop na putim lon sun na bai yumi filim narakain pen,na kaikaim tit blo mipela yet na bai tok, blo wanem na mipela larem ol meri kam insait nating. Ol meri belhat na istap ya luk out umi ol man.
Tingting blo man lo ples tasol yupela save manmeri napapela or mi no kilia tumas.
Papa, mi sapotim dispela gutpela stone age tingting blo yu. Nogut yumi kamap we ol autsait lain bai kolim yumi civilis. Mi les long kamap civilis. Mi tu laik stap stone age yet we man istap antap na olgeta meri i mas stap ananit.
Olsem na yupela ol lain i katim kona, brukim na tantanim lo long putim meri igo long palemen ting yupela kleva stret ah? I luk olsem yupela ol dispela lain meri nogat femili bilong yupela yet, hangamap nabaut long kisim pawa na ting em yupela civils stret. Ating pasin bilong brukim lain, kalapim banis na go palamen long isipela rot i gat traipela ston insait long het bilong en. Em olsem stil pasin. Em ino stretpela wei long winim eleksen. Sapos yu winim eleksen autim man na meri wantaim, yu lida stret. Sapos you gris gris long wokim sait rot long winim pawa, em olsem pasin pamuk. Yu man na meri bilong katim kona, sigirap na gris nabaut long kisim pawa nating, em yu ansivilais kanaka long lukluk bilong mi. A civilised person acquires power through elections, never through a separate platform. If it is hard, work even harder. Instead of wasting resources pushing for reserved seats, we should be going out campaigning for women to run with men in 2012. Any woman who shuns the reserved seats and runs with men will be a true leader. She should be watched closely because that is prime minister material. Who will that woman be?
Nope. Giving a handicap to the disadvantaged is part of modern societies and democracy. In this case it's nothing more than finally following (instead of ignoring) the PNG constitutional mandate of fairness and equality, which for 35 years has not been achieved in parliamentary representation DESPITE all the encouragement given to women to fight an obviously very uphill battle far beyond which any male would have to deal with.
I don't see women as handicapped. It is that very viewpoint which looks down on women and want to give them an easy ride. That is really a sexist view. I think everyone is equal and can compete in a mixed field. Stop the claptrap stone age nonsense. We've gone past that point to compete openly, men AND women. Who is the sexist stone age here and want to treat women differently?
Are you listening to yourself? You sound like a broken record, saying the same thing over and over - you've made your point. Pinis unless you have a different point to make, you're beginning to look like a 1 track mind!!!!!!!!!!! Let the readers decide without you further cluttering up the thread with the same ol, same ol.
Yours is still the backward look...your arguments make no sense anymore, you're caught out because we see women as equal. You don't. That's the bottom line.
Mi yet mi poret lo ol meri bai go kisim pawa nating olsem. yupela ol man lukim ol meri belhat taim ol kilim man blo ol ya yupela lukim or nogat? mi lap stret lo lukim sampela man lo hia igat kuru blo ol meri na sapot istap.tingting blo meri blo yumi ino redi yet lo kamap leader, mi ino lukim save meri go lo haus na lusim profesen blo ol lo out side na broomim haus, wasim klos, kukim kaikai lo haus, posisen lo opis karim kam lo haus, na ol tok olsem, "bladi haus girl we?,y na em i no kuk na klinim haus"? disla kain pasin ol meri nau igat. disla kain toktok blo ol man ya, ino blo ol meri?
so yumi ol man luk out lo givim sit nating igo lo ol meri, ol meri blo yumi oli ino redi yet. untill they learn to leave their professionalism out side home and become mothers after hours at home.cooking, cleaning, washing etc........etc....
sapos yumi ino lukluk gut na mekim disisen, sampela ol man mekim disisen nau lo en bihain ol meri bai mekim ok kaikai drai bisket lo haus sel. lol.
