Why don't the two parties call a vote of confidence to sort this **** out?. I would have thought it would be that simple unless the laws have changed...I don't see any reason why?.

e.g., Reinstate GC, call a vote of no confidence motion and the majority rules?

You nitwit. Twelve months before the next election is the last time a vote of no confidence can be called.

Not that this matters. No one cares about the law anymore. Why should Peter O'Neill worry about votes of no confidence when he has already passed several laws that say he's PM? How many more giaman laws does he need?

In this case it does not suit them so why would they (oneal/namah) change the law. Somare might win the no-confidence vote and change all the laws as the precedence is already set.

Does that mean all the so call laws passed by Oneil Gov recently have not effect. After the election will the legitimate government adopt the laws.

Does the Constitution allow for a minority government to rule in certain circumstances?

Yes. The constitution does allow for minority government. This was all discussed more than a month ago in the newspapers.

But does it matter whether it is possible or not? Consider the present realities of our socalled rule of law:

1-Many of our judges are corrupt, interpreting the law to fit special interests (where else on earth would a judge rule in favour of a big mining company - in this case the Chinese ramu nickel - because "they have invested too much money already" - as their first priority, and only as their second priority looked at whether the law was actually violated. Most of our judges now rule based upon political pressure and cash payments. The law is no longer an important consideration.

2-Our PM and parliamentarians have long found and used unethical loopholes in the law and totally ignored the spirit of those laws.

3-Now we have a government that doesn't follow any law they don't like - they just neutralise it with another law.

We have no rule of law in this country. Actually we haven't for some time, but most of us were too stupid to see what was happening. Now it's too late to reverse, we're in for a very long period of total corruption and vote buying and political instability.

Yes, the Constitution does allow for a minority government. Had parliament any respect for the laws and the Constitution, it would have accommodated the courts' ruling, in the presence of Sir Michael Somare, if laws mean anything at all.
But they sneaked off, and went for majority rule, behind the back of the primary subject of the ruling, squashing the court's verdict. And now we have a government that makes rules to cover its own illegal tracks and the mess gets worse.
We just had a serious mutiny, in defiance to the 'government', making a mockery of everything the laws stand for. Who will undo the litany of damages from August 2, 2011 if no one respects the laws? The coming election is the only hope for PNG, to give us, the people, the leadership we so need.

You, like most educated middle class PNGeans are trying as best you can to ignore the reality that nothing is going to change without major upheaval, even revolution.

You must be in dreamland if you think our elections are free and fair. They haven't been so for at least a decade or more. Ballots are stuffed, votes are bought, and the simplest way of all to turn an election your way is to bribe the electoral officials.

Then, once the MPs are elected, the wannabe PMs take their turn at bribing - just like the K40 million mega-bribe that Somare paid the 40 MPs in 2007 to come to his side.

None of this is the will of the people. Pure and simple, the conmen are in control and people like you refuse to believe it. Instead, like the sheeple you are, you plead and pray, hoping that somehow the conmen pollies are going to stop bribing and hide, and votes are suddenly going to be counted fairly, while RH and the Chinese will close their money pockets and not give a toea to make sure friendly pollies are elected.

Do you honestly believe that those in power are going to allow the people to speak? Somare didn't respect the law either, only it wasn't such a blatent case. He did his corruption behind the scenes. Most of our 109 pollies, on both sides of the aisles, only respect the law when it suits them. Their 1 and only goal is to become personally rich during the time they're in power.

Please stop being so naive. The longer people like you ignore reality, the deeper we're going to be flushed down the toilet.

THE 2012 ELECTIONS WILL BE A FARCE. YOU CAN COUNT ON IT.

That's why I say the election is the only hope, without being so overly pessimistic as you are because if the election is a farce, we are truly gone. I don't disagree with you. My optimism refuses to die and I hope the election goes well, despite the overwhewlming picture of lawlessness and chaos looming in the distance. Keeping hopes alive may strengthen our collective purpose to think and rescue our nation from utter destruction.

No, your unrealistic optimism is a guarantee that the conmen will stay in control. You see the facts right in front of your eyes but you refuse to acknowledge them, having that everlasting hope that "things will straighten themselves out." Sorry mate, but societies that think like that progress nowhere. Just like us. And you're an example of why.

My original post was "Why don't the two parties call a vote of confidence to sort this **** out?. I would have thought it would be that simple unless the laws have changed...I don't see any reason why?.

e.g., Reinstate GC, call a vote of no confidence motion and the majority rules?
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What I meant was...irrespective of Oneil/Somare...what stopped both parties from filing a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE motion to test their numbers in order to install/form a coalition of partners in a new government?.

This should have been done in August when the government of the day lost the numbers to rule outright.

Surely, it may have prevented the embarrassment to all of us PNGeans...ol master ting yumi ol kanaka's nau...and top of that where was the leadership needed from our other senior MP's..that have at the very least good governance.

You're in a dreamland. Why would the pollies have done anything you said they should have done. The 2 sides made decisions all along based on what they thought would get them into power or keep them in power. Full stop. It has nothing to do with what's right or wrong, or what would save the country embarrassment. With 3 houses in N Queensland, what do the Somares care if PNG becomes the laughingstock of the world? They'll continue laughing to the bank, just like O'Neill has started to do. And they'll continue to do so because we the people of PNG do nothing but pretend and hope and close our eyes to realities.

so rather than complaining..how can we fix this so people power rules? and importantly minimize this level of corruption that is clearly evident in the country we all come home.

You achieve those objectives the same way all those middle eastern countries did it over the past year, and every other society has achieved it in the past:

The people organise and educate each other.

The people protest, at first quietly, then louder and louder.

The people take to the streets, even if the government says it is illegal.

and if necessary, the people revolt.



The longer a society waits, the more of the above steps are necessary to correct this.

You're on the internet. I can't believe it that you're on the internet and either haven't seen the people power movements going on elsewhere in the world or cannot see how their roots are very similar to PNG's current situation: TOTAL COMPLETE CORRUPTION AND DISREGARD OF THE RULE OF LAW BY THE LEADERS.

It's time PNG put into parliment completely new MP's
Let's get rid of all current ones if they get we will go down same way.
What difference will the same leaders made only cover their back.
Where is our future going?

How can your idea possibly work when the elections are bought and fraud, from start to finish? The last election had more voters in many provinces THAN THERE WERE REGISTERED VOTERS! The people don't elect leaders in our country, the leaders elect themselves and their cronies.

Your solution is a non-starter. There's no way that the powers that be are going to allow free and fair elections, especially this year. You can count on it.

The pollies must be clapping their hands with delight that we would even believe that our votes will be fairly and accurately counted in the 2012 election.

How can we fix this. Stop articulating the fkn obvious and fix it. Lets come up with tangible solutions rather the documenting the obvios. save stap lo yumi.

And again.


My original post was "Why don't the two parties call a vote of confidence to sort this **** out?. I would have thought it would be that simple unless the laws have changed...I don't see any reason why?.

e.g., Reinstate GC, call a vote of no confidence motion and the majority rules?
"

What I meant was...irrespective of Oneil/Somare...what stopped both parties from filing a VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE motion to test their numbers in order to install/form a coalition of partners in a new government?.

This should have been done in August when the government of the day lost the numbers to rule outright.

Surely, it may have prevented the embarrassment to all of us PNGeans...ol master ting yumi ol kanaka's nau...and top of that where was the leadership needed from our other senior MP's..that have at the very least good governance.

We need to put confidence back to PNG....All fkn provinces.

I don't know, maybe we should dramtically radicalise the TERM criminal into our constitution. If you a public servent in all forms; then corruption when found guilty is a minimum 15 years.

No national constitution states the length of prison sentences for any crime. You need to learn the role of a constitution, versus the role of organic laws, etc. Didn't you learn all that in high school?

olsem na mi tok...lets do something fkn different. obviously what we got is not working. I am open to idea's. We need to make this right for all of us. Mi no lawyer or what not...I'm just suggesting other options. What about you...What do you recommend?

We can argue schemantics...at the end of the day...the intention is right, we know the problems..how can we fix it.

Obviously you want to go around in circles. The law can NOT be fixed because the politicians will NOT pass any laws that limit their power or their ability to be steal and get away with it.

We can NOT get a new breed of politicians into the picture for 2 reasons- first, our elections are conducted fraudulently, and our PM can only get into power by bribing enough fellow members. Second, any new pollies that are untainted who might be elected are quickly compromised if at all possible, usually by tempting them with riches, sometimes by getting them indebted or obligated, then using that indebtedness to control them. This has been going on since the 1990's, it's nothing new but of course, why should the pollies tell the public that this is the way power works and people's mouths are held shut?

Our entire governing system has become dysfunctional and corrupt and it affects not only parliament but also our judicial system. When a system is broken this extensively and deeply, it's either because the government was never a democracy to begin with (ie a dictatorship), or because the citizens were lazy and refused to play their role of responsibility in holding leaders accountable to the people. The second reason applies to PNG. We've never played the role that citizens must play in a civil society and now look what's happened.

When a system breaks down this badly, the only way to change it is to get rid of the powers that be. Ideally this is done nonviolently, through elections. However, when things have broken down as much as we see in PNG, and elections are completely fraudulent and rigged, then the only alternative is to take the powers that be out of the system by force. Hopefully you keep this force nonviolent, but sometimes it must become violent because the citizens didn't keep things under nonviolent control when they had a chance.

How many times must all this information be repeated for you? Why is it you seem so determined to ignore that this is the way the world has always worked and will always work? You keep imagining that there's another solution. THERE IS NOT.

You are sitting on the fence. How can we fix this mess?..What do we need to do as a fellow PNGean need to do to make things right. You are stating the obvious. Suggest solutions?.

Solutions (again, all this was posted earlier in this thread):

STEP 1: Organise our friends, colleagues, wantoks.

STEP 2: Educate our friends, colleagues, wantoks. Give talks, post on notice boards, even power poles, TRUTHFUL information on the level of corruption that is now occurring. The blogs are full of frighteningly truthful information that should be photocopied and spread far and wide. Spread the information in a way that the pollies cannot ignore it. Stick the information in their face, so to speak. Make banners against corruption and hold the banners out on busy public streets. If the police tell you to stop, politely tell them that you will peacefully continue (just like Mandela, Gandhi, and M Luther King did). HAve someone nearby with a mobile phone camera recording everything, in case the police misbehave. If they misbehave, get the evidence to the newspapers immediately.

Whenever the information is torn down or the authorities try to suppress it (which they certainly will start doing if they see that the education efforts are successful and people are starting to get real upset about the state of our nation), double our efforts and get out even more information. Graffitti Moresby with the truth about corruption. Demand change. Do not let the authorities shut us up.



If you help do just that much, the other steps will follow automatically (ie protests that get louder and louder, and then start becoming movements). Either you haven't read all the postings on this thread or you're still trying to ignore what is the only solution to our problems.

em nau. Solution oriented...I like it..It maybe small or large..but it's an option. People power!!!.

What honestly surprises me is how effective (and in many cases, spontaneous) people power was in 1997 when the people of POM mostly chased the Chan government right out of office (unconstitutionally, of course) and in doing so, ended the Sandline crisis. A spectacular success. Yet, it's only been less than 15 years later, and people power not only seems like a new word to everyone BUT hardly anyone seems to have the faintest clue as to how to go about it. Strange! None of this was true in 1997. How did we become so ignorant of this option in only 14 years?

I appreciate your oponion however your wording in terms of letting other PNGeans educated or not seems somewhat strong...one would even be put off by your responses in terms of your name......Take a deep breath, releax and think solutions. I'm on your side however way you word your responses. Lets be smart about this. How can we fix our problems in a peaceful manner so that it instill confidence back to the rest of the world that PNG is not a kanaka country but we are actually a peacefull country that wants to take on the world in our small way.

Me sumatin..and it sounds like you are two. Why put an uneducated PNG down who is purely offering his/her oponion/frustrations. That aint right.

May I ask, who are YOU referring to when you said that someone on this thread is 'uneducated'?

Stop judging other people negatively, ok?