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Youngsters threatened with Asbos for playing kerbie

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TWO young boys were threatened with an Asbo for playing with a ball outside their house, their mother said today.

Five-year-old Patrick Cairney and his brother Lewis, 9, were playing a game of kerbie in their street when a neighbour called the police.

Officers came round to their house - and told the youngsters their games could lead to an anti-social behaviour order, according to their mother.

advertisementLara Cairney, 35, today said: "This is just outrageous. My boys are scared to go outside and play now. They are just wee boys."

The youngsters play kerbie next to their home in South Dumbreck Road, Kilsyth, North Lanarkshire. They live on a private estate where houses sell for up to Ł250,000. Mrs Cairney says they moved there in search of "family friendly" environment.

But last Friday, the interior designer was confronted by two policemen.

She said: "I had two police officers saying my two sons had been playing kerbie outside the front of the house.

"The bouncing of the ball and rolling of it into my front garden was annoying the neighbours."

Mrs Cairney went on: "One officer said he would be advising my next door neighbours to contact the anti-social behaviour unit, for a possible Asbo to be served."

And Mrs Cairney says since the police issued the warning, Patrick is too frightened to go out and play.

She said he "is having nightmares".

A Strathclyde Police spokesman said: "Police attended a report of a dispute between neighbours .

"Advice was given to all parties and no further police action was taken."

Publication date 11/07/07

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Posted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 12:55pm Wed 11 Jul 07
This just about sums up our police force & what they level they are being brought to by petty government oafs..I would use the word officials but that would suggest that they actually serve the public instead of hinder them..Also the neighbours who reported the boys should be prosecuted for wasting police time.Would they prefer it that the boys go play somewhere away from the house so a child molester who incidently was probably freed by liberal do-gooders like them could abuse them..God you stuck-up,self important clowns make me sick,Fact..kids make noise,thats what being a kid is all about,then again you wont remember you idiots...
This just about sums up our police force & what they level they are being brought to by petty government oafs..I would use the word officials but that would suggest that they actually serve the public instead of hinder them..Also the neighbours who reported the boys should be prosecuted for wasting police time.Would they prefer it that the boys go play somewhere away from the house so a child molester who incidently was probably freed by liberal do-gooders like them could abuse them..God you stuck-up,self important clowns make me sick,Fact..kids make noise,thats what being a kid is all about,then again you wont remember you idiots...Quote | Report this postPosted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:00pm Wed 11 Jul 07
Is it any wonder childhood obesity and behavioural problems are on the increase when we have the very people who we think would help protect our children threatening to serve ASBO's on them. Utter nonsense! Chase after the real criminals, and let children play their innocent, harmeless games - OUTSIDE! Far too many kids are now glued to their P.C. TV Screen, watching DVD's or playing their consoles. While eating crisps, chocolate and junk foods. Is it any wonder todays kids turn into tommorows obese adults, at risk from diabetes, heart disease and strokes. It's not that our streets aren't as safe. It's just that the number of negative news stories on attacks and muggings on streets has lead to parents overprotection of their kids - denying them the right to play outside, and have as normal a childhood as possible. Thank god I was a child of the 70's and 80's as the P.C. crap that we have to live with today does little to help childrens overall health, growth, social and emotional development today.

Is it any wonder childhood obesity and behavioural problems are on the increase when we have the very people who we think would help protect our children threatening to serve ASBO's on them. Utter nonsense! Chase after the real criminals, and let children play their innocent, harmeless games - OUTSIDE!

Far too many kids are now glued to their P.C. TV Screen, watching DVD's or playing their consoles. While eating crisps, chocolate and junk foods. Is it any wonder todays kids turn into tommorows obese adults, at risk from diabetes, heart disease and strokes.

It's not that our streets aren't as safe.
It's just that the number of negative news stories on attacks and muggings on streets has lead to parents overprotection of their kids - denying them the right to play outside, and have as normal a childhood as possible.

Thank god I was a child of the 70's and 80's as the P.C. crap that we have to live with today does little to help childrens overall health, growth, social and emotional development today.
Quote | Report this postPosted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:05pm Wed 11 Jul 07
Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.
Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.Quote | Report this postPosted by: People Power, Glasgow on 1:21pm Wed 11 Jul 07
But of course! Couldn't possibly think any different! LOL ;-)
But of course! Couldn't possibly think any different! LOL ;-)Quote | Report this postPosted by: Grandpaw, Glasgow on 1:38pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[bold]IF[/bold] this story is 100% true then it is a shame that wee boys cannot play "fitba" in the streets....[bold]BUT[/bold] .... I had 9 year old boys playing "fitba" outside my house for years. They damaged gardens, cars etc and their language was disgusting. This often went on until 11 at night in the summer.
IF this story is 100% true then it is a shame that wee boys cannot play "fitba" in the streets....BUT .... I had 9 year old boys playing "fitba" outside my house for years. They damaged gardens, cars etc and their language was disgusting. This often went on until 11 at night in the summer.Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 2:12pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic]
QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do. Quote | Report this postPosted by: Roy Batty, Glasgow on 2:27pm Wed 11 Jul 07
Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs.
Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem.

The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs. Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 2:41pm Wed 11 Jul 07
"[bold]Highways Act 1980 (c.66) [/bold] Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale].". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. [italic]Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980.[/italic]
"Highways Act 1980 (c.66)
Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding .". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980. Quote | Report this postPosted by: mulross, Glasgow on 2:44pm Wed 11 Jul 07
I will reserve judgement on this as this is merely the [bold]mother's[/bold] version of events. Though I have to say, that if the neighbour has had to phone the police then there's probably a lot more to it and I would guess that he/she will have tried to speak reasonably to the mother first and got nowhere . Also, the wee boys who are now "terrified to go outside" are happy to sit outside posing for a photograph on the front page of the Daily Record!! Geez a break......
I will reserve judgement on this as this is merely the mother's version of events. Though I have to say, that if the neighbour has had to phone the police then there's probably a lot more to it and I would guess that he/she will have tried to speak reasonably to the mother first and got nowhere
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Also, the wee boys who are now "terrified to go outside" are happy to sit outside posing for a photograph on the front page of the Daily Record!!

Geez a break......Quote | Report this postPosted by: anon, Glasgow on 2:53pm Wed 11 Jul 07
I think it is really sad that this story has reached the front cover of the newspaper when there is so much else going on in the world. There is obviously nothing else better to report on today!!! I think everyone needs to remember that there are two sides to a story and you can't believe everything you read. Is it a responsible parent that plasters there children all over the front page of a newspaper!!!! Kids these days don't seem to have the same respect for there neighbours/elders maybe the parents should question the example they set!!!!!!!
I think it is really sad that this story has reached the front cover of the newspaper when there is so much else going on in the world. There is obviously nothing else better to report on today!!!

I think everyone needs to remember that there are two sides to a story and you can't believe everything you read.

Is it a responsible parent that plasters there children all over the front page of a newspaper!!!!

Kids these days don't seem to have the same respect for there neighbours/elders maybe the parents should question the example they set!!!!!!!
Quote | Report this postPosted by: Aly, knightswood on 4:16pm Wed 11 Jul 07
No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!
No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!Quote | Report this postPosted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:54pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: [bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic] [/quote] You are one ignorant snob, typical of those beautiful people who are springing up all over. You remind me of those stuck up Londoner's, an attitude which is growing here. Children I take it, according you should be locked up, with their playstations so we can become the butt of even more bad press, if you care to ntice, Glasgow City Council took the football parks away and sold them to housing developers for snobs like you to stay in.... you're an animal
gsteve2001 wrote:
QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.
You are one ignorant snob, typical of those beautiful people who are springing up all over.

You remind me of those stuck up Londoner's, an attitude which is growing here.

Children I take it, according you should be locked up, with their playstations so we can become the butt of even more bad press, if you care to ntice, Glasgow City Council took the football parks away and sold them to housing developers for snobs like you to stay in.... you're an animal

Quote | Report this postPosted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 4:58pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote: Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs. [/quote] Its ok Roy, I told the twit what his comments mean to the people he classes as scum, that includes the children he hates, in fact, for somenbody so ignorant, its no surprise that he hasn't a clue what Kirbie is, however, this attitude is common amongst the snobs and to be honest, children's games are now old fashioned because its seen as common, from the days of the Gorbals - what a load of s****. No wonder kids are full of drink and drugs with people like them about!
Roy Batty wrote:
Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs.
Its ok Roy, I told the twit what his comments mean to the people he classes as scum, that includes the children he hates, in fact, for somenbody so ignorant, its no surprise that he hasn't a clue what Kirbie is, however, this attitude is common amongst the snobs and to be honest, children's games are now old fashioned because its seen as common, from the days of the Gorbals - what a load of s****. No wonder kids are full of drink and drugs with people like them about!Quote | Report this postPosted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:03pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]People Power[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder childhood obesity and behavioural problems are on the increase when we have the very people who we think would help protect our children threatening to serve ASBO's on them. Utter nonsense! Chase after the real criminals, and let children play their innocent, harmeless games - OUTSIDE! Far too many kids are now glued to their P.C. TV Screen, watching DVD's or playing their consoles. While eating crisps, chocolate and junk foods. Is it any wonder todays kids turn into tommorows obese adults, at risk from diabetes, heart disease and strokes. It's not that our streets aren't as safe. It's just that the number of negative news stories on attacks and muggings on streets has lead to parents overprotection of their kids - denying them the right to play outside, and have as normal a childhood as possible. Thank god I was a child of the 70's and 80's as the P.C. crap that we have to live with today does little to help childrens overall health, growth, social and emotional development today. [/quote] Yes, PC has gone nuts, I'm really surprised that some numb nut hasn't yet suggested that John Smeaton should face charges of Racially aggrivated assault for what he done to that loony at the airport! Not connected to this story, but just an example of how common sense is almost an old fashioned way of thinking!
People Power wrote:
Is it any wonder childhood obesity and behavioural problems are on the increase when we have the very people who we think would help protect our children threatening to serve ASBO's on them. Utter nonsense! Chase after the real criminals, and let children play their innocent, harmeless games - OUTSIDE! Far too many kids are now glued to their P.C. TV Screen, watching DVD's or playing their consoles. While eating crisps, chocolate and junk foods. Is it any wonder todays kids turn into tommorows obese adults, at risk from diabetes, heart disease and strokes. It's not that our streets aren't as safe. It's just that the number of negative news stories on attacks and muggings on streets has lead to parents overprotection of their kids - denying them the right to play outside, and have as normal a childhood as possible. Thank god I was a child of the 70's and 80's as the P.C. crap that we have to live with today does little to help childrens overall health, growth, social and emotional development today.
Yes, PC has gone nuts, I'm really surprised that some numb nut hasn't yet suggested that John Smeaton should face charges of Racially aggrivated assault for what he done to that loony at the airport! Not connected to this story, but just an example of how common sense is almost an old fashioned way of thinking!Quote | Report this postPosted by: The Missing City, Glasgow on 5:05pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: "[bold]Highways Act 1980 (c.66) [/bold] Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale].". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. [italic]Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980.[/italic] [/quote] Go to the polis and enforce this then, you seem to have a hatred of children, you beast!
gsteve2001 wrote:
"Highways Act 1980 (c.66) Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding .". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980.
Go to the polis and enforce this then, you seem to have a hatred of children, you beast!Quote | Report this postPosted by: Scottish Rose, U.S.A. on 5:48pm Wed 11 Jul 07
I'm actually LOST for words at that story.
I'm actually LOST for words at that story.Quote | Report this postPosted by: sweetcheeksuk2001, glasgow on 6:42pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: [bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic] [/quote] the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids
gsteve2001 wrote:
QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.
the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids Quote | Report this postPosted by: tam-m, southside on 7:28pm Wed 11 Jul 07
at least we now know were the police go while real crime is being perpetrated.
at least we now know were the police go while real crime is being perpetrated.Quote | Report this postPosted by: Biffo the bear, beano town on 8:09pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.[/quote] Johnny if thats how you feel about The E.T. then why go to the trouble of logging on?,or is it just for the entertainment value???.We all know that journo,s play fast & loose with the truth,but there is truth in the story so relax big man...
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.
Johnny if thats how you feel about The E.T. then why go to the trouble of logging on?,or is it just for the entertainment value???.We all know that journo,s play fast & loose with the truth,but there is truth in the story so relax big man...Quote | Report this postPosted by: FionaM, Glasgow on 8:37pm Wed 11 Jul 07
As someone who had to move house after years of enduring children playing football outside their house, I can very much sympathise with the neighbours. The constant thumping of a ball, flying past your living room window and bouncing off all the cars in the street would drive anyone insane. Are we expected to believe that these 2 lads only ever played kerbie? Aye right. For a start the children certainly don't look very traumatised to me. Secondly, and more importantly, what kind of road sense are some parents teaching?! I've got a railway line in view of my house but I wouldn't tell kids to go and play with a football there! I cannot believe some parents are as stupid to say "Away and go out and play on that road son". Just because they're playing with a ball means they'll never be knocked down? And of course, it'll be the drivers fault if the unfortunate were to happen.
As someone who had to move house after years of enduring children playing football outside their house, I can very much sympathise with the neighbours. The constant thumping of a ball, flying past your living room window and bouncing off all the cars in the street would drive anyone insane. Are we expected to believe that these 2 lads only ever played kerbie? Aye right.

For a start the children certainly don't look very traumatised to me. Secondly, and more importantly, what kind of road sense are some parents teaching?! I've got a railway line in view of my house but I wouldn't tell kids to go and play with a football there! I cannot believe some parents are as stupid to say "Away and go out and play on that road son". Just because they're playing with a ball means they'll never be knocked down? And of course, it'll be the drivers fault if the unfortunate were to happen. Quote | Report this postPosted by: FionaM, Glasgow on 8:43pm Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Roy Batty[/bold] wrote: Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs. [/quote] [bold]but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem.[/bold] Is there no traffic in a cul-de-sac?
Roy Batty wrote:
Theu were NOT playing FOOTBALL, they were playing KERBIE, which is simply bouncing the ball off the opposite kerb, a great wee game when I was small. As far as I am aware it is not an offence for children to play on public highways, and the noise from playing kerbie is not excessive to those of us who have a more to worry about. I would only be concerned if it was being played on a road that had traffic throughput, but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. The comment about it not being the Gorbals circa 1950 is quite offensive. Admittedly the school of hard knocks has many casualties, but its graduates are more able to withstand the pressures of modern living than those cottonwoolies from the suburbs.
but if it is in a cul-de-sac, what's the problem. Is there no traffic in a cul-de-sac?Quote | Report this postPosted by: kiwiget, NZ on 10:30pm Wed 11 Jul 07
I used to chase my own kids to the park when they were playing kerbie. Playing kerbie isn't a problem in itself, but all too often the ball would bounce away from them and into someone's garden. Since local (open plan) regulations would not allow the use of perimeter fence, often my neighbours' garden plants and flowers would be damaged. I could not allow my kids to damage someone else's property, regardless of whether they meant to or not. It's not about being a spoilsport.
I used to chase my own kids to the park when they were playing kerbie. Playing kerbie isn't a problem in itself, but all too often the ball would bounce away from them and into someone's garden. Since local (open plan) regulations would not allow the use of perimeter fence, often my neighbours' garden plants and flowers would be damaged. I could not allow my kids to damage someone else's property, regardless of whether they meant to or not. It's not about being a spoilsport.Quote | Report this postPosted by: DIGGER, central scotland on 11:16pm Wed 11 Jul 07
There is more to this story than kerbie! Two sides to a story! but you are only getting one. Would you put your kids on the front page of the record ? Why hasn't the dad spoken up because he seems to have plenty to say in Kilsyth or is he only prepared to put his kids on the front page!!
There is more to this story than kerbie!
Two sides to a story! but you are only getting one.
Would you put your kids on the front page of the record ?
Why hasn't the dad spoken up because he seems to have plenty to say in Kilsyth or is he only prepared to put his kids on the front page!!Quote | Report this postPosted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:29am today
1 - two sides to every story. 2 - a little bit of Scots law. The police don't serve ASBOs and the advice allegedly given by an officer according to the mother seems most unlikely - a cop wouldn't say that. ASBOs can only be sought by the local Council of registered social landlord and must be granted by the Sheriff. 3 - the police were very restrained in their comments - "Advice was given to all parties and no further police action was taken." Sounds to me that there's a grudge match between the mother, an "interior designer" fae Kilsyth, for God's sake, and her neighbour - and she's exposing her kids in thr press to pursue her grudge. 4 - I've just noticed the comment by "Digger". See my point 3.
1 - two sides to every story.

2 - a little bit of Scots law. The police don't serve ASBOs and the advice allegedly given by an officer according to the mother seems most unlikely - a cop wouldn't say that. ASBOs can only be sought by the local Council of registered social landlord and must be granted by the Sheriff.

3 - the police were very restrained in their comments - "Advice was given to all parties and no further police action was taken." Sounds to me that there's a grudge match between the mother, an "interior designer" fae Kilsyth, for God's sake, and her neighbour - and she's exposing her kids in thr press to pursue her grudge.

4 - I've just noticed the comment by "Digger". See my point 3.Quote | Report this postPosted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:30am today
[quote][bold]Biffo the bear[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.[/quote] Johnny if thats how you feel about The E.T. then why go to the trouble of logging on?,or is it just for the entertainment value???.We all know that journo,s play fast & loose with the truth,but there is truth in the story so relax big man...[/quote] If not for the entertainment value, then for what?
Biffo the bear wrote:

Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Well if it's in the Evening Times, it must be true. Every single word of it.
Johnny if thats how you feel about The E.T. then why go to the trouble of logging on?,or is it just for the entertainment value???.We all know that journo,s play fast & loose with the truth,but there is truth in the story so relax big man...
If not for the entertainment value, then for what?Quote | Report this postPosted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 12:33am today
[quote][bold]Aly[/bold] wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS![/quote] The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that".
Aly wrote:
No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!
The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that". Quote | Report this postPosted by: TARTAN JOE on 12:51am today
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Aly[/bold] wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS![/quote] The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that". [/quote] [bold]IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP?[/bold]
Johnny Punchclock wrote:

Aly wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!
The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that".
IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP? Quote | Report this postPosted by: gtf, Kilsyth on 1:02am today
Oh Come on people - Get a Grip - if you don't want to stay next to kids then don't move in to a residential housing scheme. I stayed in a similiar setting when i was a youngster and we too had no end of bother with people telling us not to play football outside our own house, we never done any damage, were never cheeky, but some people just get so worked up about these things that it leads to situations like this. To these people i ask - where you never young once? never play football or kerbie or hide and seek in your street? - answer truthfully - so long as the kids aren't doing any damage and aren't being cheeky then what's the problem - and even if they are - threating a five year old and a nine year old with an ASBO? I mean come on... The street mentioned is a very quiet street - not a lot of car's around - there is more kids than car's to be honest, 2 young brothers out playing kerbie - threatened with an ASBO (when they have been on holiday for 2 weeks). Surely people have got more to worry about than that - and given recent events in kilsyth i'm sure the kid's mother will be a lot happier with the kid's playing outside their front door than somewhere where she can't see them. Maybe we should start a John Smeaton type appeal for a fund to build the kid's a couple of Kid's in their back garden - would that make everyone happy?
Oh Come on people - Get a Grip - if you don't want to stay next to kids then don't move in to a residential housing scheme.

I stayed in a similiar setting when i was a youngster and we too had no end of bother with people telling us not to play football outside our own house, we never done any damage, were never cheeky, but some people just get so worked up about these things that it leads to situations like this.

To these people i ask - where you never young once? never play football or kerbie or hide and seek in your street? - answer truthfully - so long as the kids aren't doing any damage and aren't being cheeky then what's the problem - and even if they are - threating a five year old and a nine year old with an ASBO? I mean come on...

The street mentioned is a very quiet street - not a lot of car's around - there is more kids than car's to be honest, 2 young brothers out playing kerbie - threatened with an ASBO (when they have been on holiday for 2 weeks). Surely people have got more to worry about than that - and given recent events in kilsyth i'm sure the kid's mother will be a lot happier with the kid's playing outside their front door than somewhere where she can't see them.

Maybe we should start a John Smeaton type appeal for a fund to build the kid's a couple of Kid's in their back garden - would that make everyone happy?

Quote | Report this postPosted by: gtf, Kilsyth on 1:03am today
Clearly meant to say - 2 [bold]kerbs[/bold] in the back garden rather than 2 kids! Apologies!! lol
Clearly meant to say - 2 kerbs in the back garden rather than 2 kids!

Apologies!! lol

Quote | Report this postPosted by: Johnny Punchclock, Glasgow on 1:39am today
[quote][bold]TARTAN JOE[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Aly[/bold] wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS![/quote] The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that". [/quote] [bold]IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP?[/bold] [/quote] I got a stalker! A shouty knuckle dragging nazi skinhead stalker who can't handle lower case, but I got one!
TARTAN JOE wrote:

Johnny Punchclock wrote:

Aly wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!
The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that".
IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP?
I got a stalker! A shouty knuckle dragging nazi skinhead stalker who can't handle lower case, but I got one! Quote | Report this postPosted by: Catharine, Winnipeg, Canada on 6:00am today
Funny how so many of you assume that the mother is the lying one. Of course there are two sides to the story, but the other side could equally be a mean old biddy who despises children or dislikes their mother and is looking for a way to get even. I have neighbours who are constantly threatening the local children for playing "too near their property" - not on it, but near. They go looking for things to complain about. Perhaps the ASBO should be applied to the crusty neighbour, not the wee lads.
Funny how so many of you assume that the mother is the lying one. Of course there are two sides to the story, but the other side could equally be a mean old biddy who despises children or dislikes their mother and is looking for a way to get even. I have neighbours who are constantly threatening the local children for playing "too near their property" - not on it, but near. They go looking for things to complain about. Perhaps the ASBO should be applied to the crusty neighbour, not the wee lads.Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 10:00am today
[quote][bold]sweetcheeksuk2001[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: [bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic] [/quote] the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids [/quote] Hi sweetcheeksuk2001. Reverting to name calling such as "STUPID" obviously shows you've spent a lot of time playing kerbie too. Liked the part where you wrote "hit teh kerb". Im all for letting kids be kids. I have two of my own. But I wouldn't let them bounce a ball outside other peoples property all day long, and in the middle of the road. I thought that's what gardens and parks were for. Kerbstones aren't in place to support urban ball games. Or am I just being "STUPID" again sweetcheeksuk2001? Enjoying the debate, munis "teh" name calling.
sweetcheeksuk2001 wrote:

gsteve2001 wrote: QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.
the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids
Hi sweetcheeksuk2001. Reverting to name calling such as "STUPID" obviously shows you've spent a lot of time playing kerbie too. Liked the part where you wrote "hit teh kerb". Im all for letting kids be kids. I have two of my own. But I wouldn't let them bounce a ball outside other peoples property all day long, and in the middle of the road. I thought that's what gardens and parks were for. Kerbstones aren't in place to support urban ball games. Or am I just being "STUPID" again sweetcheeksuk2001? Enjoying the debate, munis "teh" name calling.Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 10:06am today
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: [bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic] [/quote] You are one ignorant snob, typical of those beautiful people who are springing up all over. You remind me of those stuck up Londoner's, an attitude which is growing here. Children I take it, according you should be locked up, with their playstations so we can become the butt of even more bad press, if you care to ntice, Glasgow City Council took the football parks away and sold them to housing developers for snobs like you to stay in.... you're an animal [/quote] What the hell are you talking about? I said, and I quote my earlier post "have them play in her OWN garden". I didnt mention playstation. So obviously, using your logic, anyone who objects to the sound similar to a jackhammer outisde their property, or having a ball bouncing off their car or into their plants must be a snob. And, what, you're saying the Council took "the football parks away" - what, ALL OF THEM? EVERY SINGLE PARK? The [bold]Missing City[/bold] - ([italic]or is that - the Missing Brain?)[/italic] please answer my original point - why can't these children play in their garden rather than in the street? As for "ignorant" - check out your facts. This [bold]lady lives OUTWITH Glasgow City Council[/bold] . Doooh...
The Missing City wrote:

gsteve2001 wrote: QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.
You are one ignorant snob, typical of those beautiful people who are springing up all over. You remind me of those stuck up Londoner's, an attitude which is growing here. Children I take it, according you should be locked up, with their playstations so we can become the butt of even more bad press, if you care to ntice, Glasgow City Council took the football parks away and sold them to housing developers for snobs like you to stay in.... you're an animal
What the hell are you talking about? I said, and I quote my earlier post "have them play in her OWN garden". I didnt mention playstation. So obviously, using your logic, anyone who objects to the sound similar to a jackhammer outisde their property, or having a ball bouncing off their car or into their plants must be a snob. And, what, you're saying the Council took "the football parks away" - what, ALL OF THEM? EVERY SINGLE PARK? The Missing City - (or is that - the Missing Brain?) please answer my original point - why can't these children play in their garden rather than in the street? As for "ignorant" - check out your facts. This lady lives OUTWITH Glasgow City Council . Doooh...Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 10:07am today
[quote][bold]sweetcheeksuk2001[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: [bold]QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD?[/bold] I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. [italic]My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.[/italic] [/quote] the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids [/quote] Hi sweetcheeksuk2001. Reverting to name calling such as "STUPID" obviously shows you've spent a lot of time playing kerbie too. Liked the part where you wrote "hit teh kerb". Im all for letting kids be kids. I have two of my own. But I wouldn't let them bounce a ball outside other peoples property all day long, and in the middle of the road. I thought that's what gardens and parks were for. Kerbstones aren't in place to support urban ball games. Or am I just being "STUPID" again sweetcheeksuk2001? Enjoying the debate, munis "teh" name calling.
sweetcheeksuk2001 wrote:

gsteve2001 wrote: QUESTION: WHY CAN'T THESE CHILDREN PLAY FOOTBALL IN THEIR OWN GARDEN RATHER THAN ON THE PUBLIC ROAD? I think serving an ASBO on the children is taking things a little too far. However, this isnt the Gorbals tenement closes circa 1950. I don't think I'd be too happy to have a ball banging about outside my Ł250,000+ house all day, all summer, knocking into other peoples property. The sound of the ball against the kerb / tarmac / cars / walls - often sounds like a jackhammer. My suggestion to the distraught mother of these two children is to have them play in her OWN garden rather than the public road, or to take them to a football park where they can play away to their hearts content, as children do.
the answer to your question is they werent playing football stupid if you remember being a kid it was kirbie the young boys were playing. where they stand at each side of the road and try and hit teh kerb with the ball. i think this is terrible no one every complained when you were all kids and playing with balls and skipping ropes or hide and seek etc, why cant we let our kids be kids and have fun at least they werent standing at cornors smoking and drinking and taken drugs and causing problems for people they were young kids having fun and silly neighnours that are no doubt old took that away from them. well i hope you can sleep tonight whoever you are known you have frighten those kids
Hi sweetcheeksuk2001. Reverting to name calling such as "STUPID" obviously shows you've spent a lot of time playing kerbie too. Liked the part where you wrote "hit teh kerb". Im all for letting kids be kids. I have two of my own. But I wouldn't let them bounce a ball outside other peoples property all day long, and in the middle of the road. I thought that's what gardens and parks were for. Kerbstones aren't in place to support urban ball games. Or am I just being "STUPID" again sweetcheeksuk2001? Enjoying the debate, munis "teh" name calling.Quote | Report this postPosted by: gsteve2001, Glasgow on 10:10am today
[quote][bold]The Missing City[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]gsteve2001[/bold] wrote: "[bold]Highways Act 1980 (c.66) [/bold] Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale].". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. [italic]Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980.[/italic] [/quote] Go to the polis and enforce this then, you seem to have a hatred of children, you beast![/quote] Who are you calling a beast "The Missing City" AK "The Missing Brain"? Get a grip of your emotions, or take a tablet or something. The law is the law. Whichever you you wish to interpret it.
The Missing City wrote:

gsteve2001 wrote: "Highways Act 1980 (c.66) Part IX Lawful and Unlawful Interference With Highways and Streets: (3) If a person plays at football or any other game on a highway to the annoyance of a user of the highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding .". Therefore, seems games are banned on the Public Highway. Seems there is a law against it, and has been since 1980.
Go to the polis and enforce this then, you seem to have a hatred of children, you beast!
Who are you calling a beast "The Missing City" AK "The Missing Brain"? Get a grip of your emotions, or take a tablet or something. The law is the law. Whichever you you wish to interpret it.Quote | Report this postPosted by: TARTAN JOE on 11:46am today
To Punchdrunk Johnny. I got a "Muslim lover" an idiotic Islamic Extremist! who thinks that terrorists are nice guys,and anybody who does not agree with his views must be a member of the BNP. You sir are a REKNOLP! S******,S******!
To Punchdrunk Johnny.

I got a "Muslim lover" an idiotic Islamic Extremist! who thinks that terrorists are nice guys,and anybody who does not agree with his views must be a member of the BNP.
You sir are a REKNOLP!

S******,S******!
Quote | Report this postPosted by: TARTAN JOE on 11:50am today
[quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]TARTAN JOE[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Johnny Punchclock[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Aly[/bold] wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS![/quote] The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that". [/quote] [bold]IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP?[/bold] [/quote] I got a stalker! A shouty knuckle dragging nazi skinhead stalker who can't handle lower case, but I got one! [/quote] To Punchdrunk Johnny. I got a "Muslim lover" an idiotic Islamic Extremist! who thinks that terrorists are nice guys,and anybody who does not agree with his views must be a member of the BNP. You sir are a REKNOLP! S******,S******!
Johnny Punchclock wrote:

TARTAN JOE wrote:
Johnny Punchclock wrote:
Aly wrote: No wonder the police are hated round my area they don't even turn up when the neds go on a vandal spree smashing windows and damaging cars and attacking people. But when some toffs on a private estate complain about a little noise the cops turn up in van loads...USELESS!
The police would do better in Knightswood if locals, including parents, would give them more support - but lots goes on and everyone keeps their mouths shut. "Ma wee Darren or Jared widnae dae that".
IS THAT THE TWO WHO ARE IN THE BNP?
I got a stalker! A shouty knuckle dragging nazi skinhead stalker who can't handle lower case, but I got one!
To Punchdrunk Johnny.

I got a "Muslim lover" an idiotic Islamic Extremist! who thinks that terrorists are nice guys,and anybody who does not agree with his views must be a member of the BNP.
You sir are a REKNOLP!

Horse thing as you come in to kilsyth

neigh bother

Trojan Horse

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