Oh! Full contact huh? Well unfortunately a BKF point fighter had the record for the fastest loss in UFC. Ray Wizard lost to Pat Smith in like 20seconds. Ray went in with a Back knuckle and Pat put him in a reverse neck lock (Galoteen) and choked him out. Ray was a No#1 point fighter at the time and had no ground fighting experience. I get your point, but I think this is a failed topic, cause Parker Kenpo doesn't have Ground Fighting, and you can't talk seriously about Full contact without it. Now Mr. Muhammad has come up with movements and concepts that put power into punching. Not the slapping movements of traditional Kenpo. He has some pretty great points on Actualizing Kenpo. www.stevemuhammad.org . Check some of his stuff out and let me know what you think. I would be very interested in knowing more about whoever has taken Kenpo in a similar direction.