I guess I'm not sure what point you were trying to make Mr. Hanes. I don't dispute the more power in a straight punch statement. I do dispute your argument that there is no efficacy in teaching/using it as in your final statement. I'm a bit of a Neanderthal in my Kenpo Journey. I was a fighter in the 70's who wanted to be a better fighter and that's why I started MA. I was lucky that the closest studio was a Chinese Kenpo school. At College Center Karate, the forms and techniques were just to get belts. What was emphasized was fighting which carried me through a very turbulent 80's. I didn't figure out all the "better person" stuff until I was in my 30's. While I can hold my own on "talking" Kenpo, I'd still rather be on the mat rocking and rolling with my kids (anyone under 35). Good discussion regardless, nice to see different views and I do appreciate the bio-mechanical analysis. I personally don't dig that deep into the system but enjoy learning from those that do.