I was just curious; if Intellectual departure is considered one of the 10 master key self-defense techniques, why isn't it in the American Kenpo cirriculum as outlined in volume 5 of Infinite Insights. I also haven't seen it in other cirriculum's. Who is still teaching it and when and why was it removed from the cirriculum?

Personally I like the technique and still teach it and play with it. Hopefully someone has the answer it's one of about a hundred nagging questions I have.

i noticed this as well some teach it most dont... my school did not i learned it elsewhere...

The first manual I purchased from Mr. Parker had the Original Ten techniques, that was in the beginning of 1983. Later , toward the end of that year or beginning of the next a new manual came out. This one had Agressive Twins, Spreading Branch and Intellectual Departure removed, as well as , Checking the Storm changed with a chicken kick. Mr. Parker explained to me later that one of his close Black Belts at the time had mentioned that these original four techniques were to brutal to be taught to white belts, due mainly to the kicking of the knees, so he allowed him to make some replacements. They were Alternating Mace, sword and hammer and captured twigs and changed checking the storm. He allowed this for reasons, that I will leave off this site for now. The original Ten Yellow belt techniques were to be brought back for everyone in 1991, I had started to learn them much earlier. The knew "changed techniques" break rules for the most part and are not part of the original system. The important thing to understand is that the Original Yellow Techniques give you an overview of how the entire system is built, I do this analysis quite often in my black belt classes. ALso, the original orders were eventually changed and were to be brought back also, but Mr. Parker passed before this was done. The original orders are also designed to help you study the system with key themes, etc. and should not be changed - they were created by Ed Parker, order changes later were done by other black belts. Anyway, I could go on forever. In AKI we study the original system and that has given me an excitement about Ed parker's Kenpo to this very day and will forever - I sometimes get so overwhelmed at how much I have to teach my Black Belts and do not now what to do next, this is a good problem and a testament at what a genius of the art Master Parker really was!

intresting aggressive twins is on our orange belt chart but spreading branch is on none of my charts... dont know that one... but i came acroos intellectual departure at a seminar or something along time ago...

IF YOU SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL I WILL BE GLAD TO SEND YOU THE TEN ORIGINAL YELLOW BELT TECHNIQUES WITH DESCRIPTIONS OR ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE THEM. TONY C

[email protected]

Mr.C,

Please don't use all CAPS in the internet world it means you're shouting.I strongly believe we would all listen to you even if you weren't shouting.

Salute

It is very important for those who teach the art with the knowledge of "Catagory Completion" and know how to cross relate these
original techniques.
In the CKF we have the techniques Spreading Branch,Aggressive Twins,Intellectual Departure and the Pincher as part of our curriculum.
Mr.C it is always refreshing to hear your comments about topics like this as it makes things interesting on a historical level.
TCB...Sean Kelley

I teach the originals as they are extremely important parts of our systems' blueprint, especially when talking about category completion. I know the story behind the changes (probably not in its entirety) and I think they don't make much sense. Let's take sword and hammer for example. In my opinion, if you hit the guy in the throat it's quite possible that you won't get the second shot in since you will be sending him back. Furthermore, the technique violates the rule of always facing your work. I understand that there can be exceptions to the rule, but in that technique, to make it more realistic, you could step into him (engaging)and driving him back so that you have a strong bracing angle and can continue to drive if need be. But, if you did that it would violate the idea that a beginner should always retreat as it makes more sense than to step into danger.

Now let's look at the original technique that sword and hammer replaced--Intellectual Departure. First of all, when the technique as changed, so was the attack. Obviously Intellectual Departure comes from a right front kick. Now earlier we learn to go to the outside of the leg with Deflecting Hammer and I teach it with hands up as if to say, "I don't want any trouble." Why? Because the hands are in a loaded position to drop. I don't want to chance bringing my hands up and then bringing the right hand back down for the parrying block. The kick will probably be too fast. With that being said, we need to know what to do if our hands are down. That is where Intellectual Departure comes in. You need it there. Also, lets look at the block we use (Inward downward palm down block). Without Intellectual Departure this block is not put into combative use until much later in the system. Yes it is in Long 1, but that is not a combative form, nor is that demonstrating a combative situation.

I could go on forever, but I am sure you get the point. You need the original techniques. I also know the other three as they were originally taught to me. I didn't learn the originals until much later into my training.

Yours,

Michael Miller, CKF
www.millersdojo.com

...with your assessment and that of Mr. Cogliandro.
I teach and test the original 10 and believe most of the schools that fall under Mr. Wedlake's supervision do, too.

I also teach the other three techniques - after the student has tested for yellow. I want them to know the techniques if they should ever go to a different studio but don't want the student to think their promotion to yellow is conditional to their learning the other 3.

Take it out on the heavy bag,

Chuck Peterson
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We have both the "old" and the "new" techs in the curriculum I learn. I have to say, I much prefer the old ones. Sometimes the best thing about the new ones is the discussion they bring up. :/

But, they all have value. Just not equal value.

Peace,
Scott

Discussing and observing the AK of old and Tracy's tech's then seeing you writing about the time frame of 1983 as if it is old is amusing.

The reason I mention that is The Tracy's and EPJr were doing it in the late 50's and early 60's The Tracy group did not stray and now you are talking the old as in 25 years after it started.

Or am I confused?

Kenpo Karate and AK, Tracy's, and then EPAK when the II books came out in the 80's Right?
Then you have the Encyclopedia that was published after EPSr's passing (EPJr finished it) which helps set it straight. Now the Kempo Kards to reinforce that???

Regards,
Gary

Old and new are relative terms. Once the conversation set the timeframe and material, then old and new apply just fine, even to something only 20+ years old. We weren't talking about kenpo through the ages, just about a handful of techniques that got switched 20-something years ago. Choki Motobu called what he did kenpo, as I recall -- heck, a lot of what is now called Okinawan Karate was called kenpo once upon a time. The terms were somewhat interchangeable. That makes the Tracy's material the new stuff, right?

I assume you meant Ed Parker senior in that last line, as Ed Parker Jr. is still with us.

Peace,
Scott

J R

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You know he really does not need to use the Jr. part if he does not wish to.

It is pretty well known in these circles that: There is only one "Ed Parker" posting at present.

Regards,
Gary

...

Hello Gary,
Glad I amused you, we need more levity on this site. I guess I also confused you as well. Anyway, I am speaking of the completed system , not the formulation of the system that was under creation in the 50's & 60's, the Tracy's left well before the system was completed, the encyclopedia is basically just terms and the Kenpo Kards are basically fun for kids. I am here only trying to help. I appreciate the tons of e-mails that I have been receiving from individuals really seeking the truth about true Ed Parker's kenpo. Tony C

Tony,

Yes you have clairified it as to when the system is/was considered whole. According to some the system was changed 3 times or more. (I believe). The confusion is also intensified when EPSr. mentions you have to change it to suit your size and frame?

Scott you are right I mistakenly put in J instead of S.

I don't think we need to go to Motobu since he did not do Kenpo Karate. Nor did he write a book called "Kenpo Karate" in the early 60s or "Chinese Karate" shortly after that(which really confused the issue).

Tony you have hit the topic right on the head for me, thank you. The cigar is yours.

The next thought is:

The time frame being important with EPAK. So we can no longer call it Kenpo Karate but then you call it AK but if you are calling it that, is it EPAK? That is redundant because it was EPSr's system of Kenpo that we are talking about. So using the time frame is a better guideline?

So to observe the system we need to look at the katas that Larry Tatum did to preserve it then? Or because of the situation where Mike Pick is/has been in it since close to the earlist times in Pasadena is his system the complete one? Does it encompasses the whole, did he delete what he already knew, and adjust to the new?

I believe someone who does both of the systems (EP and Tracy) could help answer this also?

But I would appreciate some more information from Tony, since he seems to understand where I am coming from.

Gary

THANKS FOR YOUR GRACIOUS REPLY GARY, I ALWAYS MEAN ED PARKER'S KENPO USING THE TERM AMERICAN KENPO, I DO BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT HE CREATED AND IT IS ATTRIBUTED TO HIM, AS A MATTER OF FACT ON MY BUSINESS CARDS I STATE BOTH TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I MEAN. ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE NEW "ALLIANCE" OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE FORMING (MASTER PICK AT THE HELM) IS TO GET SOME OF THIS HISTORY CORRECTED. THERE HAS BEEN MUCH "RE-ENGINEERING" OF HISTORY OVER THESE 17 YEARS AND WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS FROM EVERY DECADE REPRESENTED WHO WERE VERY LOYAL AND VERY CLOSE TO MASTER PARKER. WE HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING OF SORTS ON DECEMBER 1ST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, HOSTED BY VINNY ANFUSO, IT WILL BE QUITE A WEEKEND OF THE MINDS. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, BUT THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW, MUCH MORE WILL BE "EXPOSED" IN THE FUTURE.
RESPECTFULLY, TONY C (AKI)

Tony,

Thank you for the latest info.

I will look forward to hearing/reading more as it develop's.

I see that you will be having a seminar on the eastcoast, your leader is in the middle area of the US. Will you be having a seminar on the westcoast anytime soon?

Regards,
Gary

Hi,
Many of us have a tougher time of typing then others do.
Conveying the thoughts are sometimes difficult and not as clear as others, will expect them, some are very critical of bad typing or grammer.
It has been mentioned by Dr Dave regarding certain postings and others also.

Tony for example will type very clear and precise in a thread and then another time (same thread) will type in the all cap position.
Most know that the all cap is a form of YELLING on the net. Am I or others observing this in a thread going to think that is what you are doing Tony, is YELLING at us?

I am hard of hearing so I enjoy the higher tone of the voice, but coupled with an angry face it is a warning of sorts.

Seeing the typing of upper caps one time and not other times in the same thread, am I and others going to figure it is because you are YELLING at us? Or???

Maybe you could explain that one Tony???

Regards,
Gary

Very good observation, but no, I am not yelling at anyone. I do not really observe that protocol. I am an insurance inspector and do a lot of office work on my computer at home. All my reports must be done in the upper case, so when I check the Kenponet , sometimes I forget to remove the caplock. I hope this did not offend anyone, for that is not my intention. If I need to say anything strongly to anyone or strongly about anything, you will know by my words, not caps or not.

Good Question Though. Tony c

That is something maybe one of Master Pick's west coast students can answer.
I do not know.

Tony c

Revisionist History with a Parliamentary Seal of Approval is still revisionist history.

Some buncha guys sitting around a table, agreeing to agree to a couple of eyewitness accounts to the exclusion of dozens of others, doesn't make the other eyewitness accounts any more or less valid than the agreed-upon one(s) on the table for consideration/ratification.

Unfortunately, due to the willingness of so many to be lead by the few who desire a following, the impact of your decisions, attitudes, and actions, will be great among legions of non-thinking present- and future-kenpoists. One more skewed version of history for needy minds to glom onto, as opposed to leaving the curious to research the issues at hand, regard the available information with consideration, and reach their own independent conclusions.

Does a leader invite the Thinker within the soul of each member of a populus to emerge into life, or spoonfeed it party lines in effort to keep it dormant? How many West Coast Seniors and members of the original list of 7ths are buying into this Alliance? Half? 3/4ths? A clear enough majority, that any guys NOT buying in are clearly part of a finge minority which cannot possibly have any inkling of "truth" in their experience? (further evidenced, perhaps, by their conspicuous absence from this meeting?)

C'mon, guys. Your kenpo rocks; your leadership is already valued as being among the best...can't you be happy with the lands you already control, and leave the bordering nations and orphaned fledglings out of it? I believe that you believe in the good of what you're doing, but there will always be more than one side to a dice, and actions set ripples in motion with far-reaching consequences, and they aren't always those you may have hoped for.

Regards,

Dave

You know Dave what you say has some merit and it was well stated. All I can say is that the purpose of this correction of history is not for me, Sean Kelley or Master Pick to get more students. It is for Grandmaster Parker's Legacy. A lot of these, so called, Masters and Seniors that have popped up, that I never heard of, will go running for cover. Those that have not lied or stretched the truth will have nothing to worry about. My record is clean in the Kenpo World and those that know me know I am a straight shooter and know what I have done serving Master Parker. Any and all individuals will have the right to tell their side of the story. This is not revisionist, this is based on fact with letters and documents and timeframe that can be verified. For some reason; we are all coming together and we do have representation on both coasts and all decades. Most of all, my back yard (The Northeast), needs some serious work, which has already been started. Tony c

PS- How is my spelling & grammar? (LOL)

My concern is that not all apsects will be regarded objectively. That the partisian nature of kenpo allegiences up to this point will -- by it's very nature -- be exclusionary of various sides of the dice, even though they also are true components of the item under consideration.

Certainly, the effort warrants consideration, and is well-aimed. It's the execution I'm worried about.

I wish you were grading my English papers in College! That was so long ago...

Anyway, we will do our best,that is all we can do, thanks for the comments, Tony c

I have heard from many as well as from the mouth of Mr. Parker via video that's available that Kenpo was and is OUR art. We all have ownership. Shouldn't we serve the art? I don't know of any creed or pledge that suggests we should be subservient to anyone. All these witch hunts are unnecessary.

We have a template by which to judge the practitioner. The concepts and principles of the art are clearly defined. Can the individual perform? Can the individual train another to perform? Beyond that is rhetoric. Rhetoric by it's very nature serves only to convert another to a specific point of view. These efforts you speak of serve only that end. If you do indeed test someones abilities and they are up to par and their students abilities are up to par, what then? Do you convict them anyway because they didn't keep a piece of paper or they've romanticized their memories over time?

How big was your first fish? Really?

No one wants to step up and objectively judge the ability of these people and allow them their claims based on that. Is this because they do not in turn wish to face the same scrutiny?

Until we begin talking about the ability of the practitioner and not their pedigree the goals of the "alliance" remain suspect.

Respectfully,
Craig Tavis

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller

Craig, you are missing the point. I have no qualm with anyone's ability in kenpo, everyone is a good practitioner and is a capable fighter and teacher. I am trying to be involved with sorting out the history for Master Parker's legacy. I want nothing for myself, it is for him, his memory. I was lucky enough to serve Ed Parker in a very large capacity and knew his feelings and wants. He wanted unity and a strong organization. Many of the people out there left Ed Parker or were thrown out due to disloyalty or ego, but this is left out of their history . He was always very disheartened by this. Anyway, the "Alliance" is for the good, that is my nature and the nature of the leaders in it. Tony c

I for one couldn't agree with you more, Dave,

But it's seriously one of those issues where both sides will have to agree to disagree because otherwise it's just the same argument going round and round and round and to what end?! Insanity?

At this point it's just a matter of which side can type fastest or loudest. And quite frankly, in the end, it doesn't matter because the only thing that should is that both sides have their "place to go" and that be enough.

But I like your points and I like that you continue to try and make it heard. Hey I hear it! (if that matters to ya)

Back to the mats,

Angela

Mr.Crotch you go on to mention about original 7th Degree's as if there was only a few. According to my records as I have in my hands the 1991 IKKA Newsletter it reads these names under the Ranking of 7th Degree:
Michael J.Campos, John Izzo, Tom Kelly, John McSweeney, Chuck Sullivan, Dennis Tosten, Frank Trejo and Bob White.That is 8 people who are listed.
Now I have gone over this Newsletter front to back and no where to be found is your name listed under any rank listings.i will say I was listed under the 4th Degree column and proud of it at that time in my history.
For the record are we to think because you pipe up with your well spoken words of choice that you are in a better position than most to have validity to the art as given to us by Senior Grandmaster Ed Parker?
What makes this Newsletter interesting is many of the names on it and the ranks that they were during the time it was put out.
They list names like Ron Chapel, Bob Liles, Lee Wedlake, Keith See, Rainer Schulte, John Sepulveda, Gilbert Velez, Jeff Speakman, Manny Reyes, Roger Meadows, Craig McCoy, Yosh Furuya ect...
The "Alliance" that Ton Cogliandro is speaking of is what is hapening today 2007 not from 1991 nor is he disqualifying anybody from any West Coast or East Coast to be apart of it.
Sir, I appreciate the input and have to say I do get lost in your babble at times but take a moment to listen to what Master Tony Coglaindro is not only saying but how he is offering something to anyone who might be interested in it's content....
TCB....Sean Kelley
PS: I am a Master of
wrong Grammer and spell check
enjoy..LOL

Please correct Dr. Crouch's name.

Thank you!
CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller

I've mis-spelled his name, and not repaired it. Turnabout's fair play.

Third grade it is....

I'm going to go toss someone off the monkey bars!

CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller

Honor, humility, integrity, commitment, etc., exemplified.

what it looks like?

Glad you here to point it out. I missed it entirely.

CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller

Your right my mistake.....My Fault Spank me later!!!

Sean,

We also met at the Memorial for Professor Chow, in the bay area. I too enjoyed talking with you.
Many posts later and observing some of what is going on.

Sorry is not acceptable IMHO...

You are doing some things that are not acceptable by many. You need to think about that.

Then you want to meet on the mat at your location but not others.

Sean you need to reevaluate your thoughts IMHO...Just an observation.

Regards,
Gary

But I suspect you must already know that, considering the number of guys with wet-ink sigs on higher diplomas than were put in the computer. And who aren't on that list.

And, FYI, when I refer to the original list, I have never used that over-quoted and grossly inaccurate newlsetter, considering the history and politics surrounding structure at that time.

I actually thought the Crotch part was funny, but not entirely original: Twas my nickname through grade school and high school. Too bad the junk didn't match the name, or I would surely have gotten much luckier with the ladies than I did

My place in kenpo is working to improve my own skills and understanding, and the abilities of the students who fate brings to me. Like I said before...no great kenpo mountains climbed in my history; just a guy, with an opinion....that smells about as good or as foul, and has about as much truth or deciet, love or hate, merit or foul gas as any other mans opinions. And, Sean...have you tried to weigh an opinion on the scale? Can you guess what the difference is between how much yours will weigh, and how much mine will weigh? Better yet, get the opinion of a white belt just starting kenpo, and a 1oth degree senior, and place them on a balance scale. Let me know if it even moves.

Shall we, then, not have them?

D.

<< Too bad the junk didn't match the name, or I would surely have gotten much luckier with the ladies than I did >>

Back to the mats,

Angela

I have to state for the record that Doctor Crotch is way funnier, but my personal favorite is "Crotchy". You have to say it like George Dubya to get the full effect, though. "Yer doin' a good job, Crotchy." Dang, that's fun to say. Way to be a good sport, sir, and I, too, would like to shake your hand should you make it down here in February.

Respectfully,
Dan Puleo

When people call me "crotch", I usually add "That's DOCTOR Crotch to you, dude. I spent way too much time and money on school to be a mere crotch."

Dave to bad you were not in the "Corps" (USMC) that name is one of many,that are around to denote "Marine Corps".

You have to be one though to call one that, LOL. Sort of like other words/terms, used between "brothers"...

Gary

Mr.Crouch the invitation to come to the 2008 Florida Kenpo Camp is of course still there for you as mentioned. I think this would give us both the opportunity to meet and break bread together and enjoy many shared thoughts on many different levels.
Please keep me informed if this is still open to you and by the way you could fly into West Palm Beach or Ft.Lauderdale.
Palm Beach Airport is 15 minutes away and Ft.Lauderdale is 45 minutes south of me. At any rate we can assist you if help is needed for transportation.....stay in touch!
TCB....Sean kelley

Hi Tony,

I have not talked to you in many years. I do hope all is well with you. I am posting here cause I am bothered by your public post.

Anyway just had to say something cause when people talk about my projects, my projects are like my children and I come to their defense when they are attacked. Anyway I am pissy over issues and not an individual.

Respectfully,

Ed Parker

I'll kick him in the shins if'n his bad mouthin' slows down progress on the next dek. I'm into the browns now so I'm going without. A big part of my lesson is me handing a half dozen kards to my instructor and telling him to bring it. If I can't make it work the kard will usually remind me of what I forgot to do. Weapons last night. Big strong kid really tryin' to hit me with foam covered pvc. Not nice pretty swings either random short swipes. The only thing that will get you that stick and stop the stinging is the use of principles. Those kards saved me a few welts last night.

I'm no little kid.

Thanks, Edmund!
CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Dennis Miller

Hello Ed Jr.,
Great to hear from you,it has been a long time. Sorry to have upset you, but that was not my intention. If you read the string of posts it shows I was just trying to make a point of the art. Where I come from an Encyclopedia is a book of terms with explainations, am I missing something? No insult there, the book is very nice. The kenpo kards are designed as trading cards. I had received the book and cards as a gift from my AKI Ireland group, the artwork is fantastic, as your art always is. The only person I know who uses them is my good friend Sean Kelley and he uses them only in his kids program, that is where I come up with that statement, again not meaning to insult you in any way, just my opinion, which , I do believe I am entitled to give.
My point is that I nor any of my students have or will learn your Dad's art from the Encylopedia or cards, they are supplements to help along the way.
Nice to hear from you after 17 years...

I'm kinduva meat-&-potato kenpo kinda guy. I enjoy the fancy definitions in the Encyclopedia, but never got one. (when I decided to, they were out).

So, things like categories and relationships always managed to escape me...heck, even technique names slip right off my memory like a butterd egg off teflon, and I only remember techs as "the one where you go like this". Unfortunately, flash cards don't help (long-term drain bamage issue), so I avoided the Kardz assuming it was just a technique flash deck. Then, at the Chow Memorial in February, Edmund also had the book that goes with them, telling you what the symbols mean and how to use them as a study aid.

Sweet Jumpin' Jehosaphat, did that bring the thing to life. Small images all over the things act as keys to help you make correlations. Codified abbreviations allow you to lump techs into family groupings by several classification criteria. Lo and behold, some things started to make sense to me that I'd just given up on trying to get my brain wrapped around. So I went from not getting them, to thinking about getting them to support Edmunds art, efforts, and contributions, to getting them because they are an excellent tool for expanding understanding of relationships within the art.

It only took 2 generations of Ed Parkers to get that light bult to snap on in my head. And they said I was slow. Thank you, Edmund, for your thoughtful and thought-provoking work. I'm looking forward to the next installation.

Best Regards,

Dave

This is a good explanation about this subject.

http://www.kenpokards.com/about.php

The situation seems to be one that had everyone in mind and not just children. Looking at the "kards" there is no way to mistake the intent that it is for "kids only" thought pattern.

I am not sure what is going on in the background and e-mail situation that I keep reading about regarding Sean and others. But it seems some folks have hurt others feelings in the quest for rank. That is pretty sad for sure.

IMHO Ed Parker Jr has produced the structure that his father was seeking prior to he passing.

Others attempted to do it in video, but the kards are the best that has come along. All can read the instruction and with an instructor who is qualified there is no doubt as to what needs to be done.
If you want to change it slightly for your own use (as EPSr. always advocated) Then the cards will show others where the change occured.

Dave send me an e-mail I have several encyclopedias I'll be very happy to mail you one, after all you did go out of your way to meet, and I would enjoy returning the favor.
It is brand new. I bought 5 when they were available.

Regards,
Gary

I don't begrudge Sean for his promotion; he is to be congratulated, and should be proud; his studies have brough him into close contact with many respectable members of the extended, albeit dysfunctional, kenpo family (the whole family, not the members he's come to know), and represent a well-earned acknowledgement of a lifetime spent in the martial arts. Behind the scenes e-mails that I am aware of have consisted of Sean and I relating each others' histories, experiences, and preferences within kenpo, and a short volley to Mr. Cogliandro hoping to relate to him that I'm not being antagonistic for the mere sake of being antagonistic, but rather from a place of concern for fairness in outcomes, as mentioned briefly in a post above.

This is in reference specifically to a way of doing business and seeing the world, and ones active place in it. Mr. Kelley recieved his promotion from solid seniors in the kenpo community, which sits much better with me than the sources used so often in other promotions. I don't think it's ever actually been about the rank; that's been the fluff obscuring clear dialogue about the issue at heart. It's only really been about worldviews moving action items on future agendas, and where they don't meet or resonate in concurrance.

The rest is either humor, worldview differences, or thing-swing. None of which are truly important in fixing the price of tea in China, Pizza in Chicago, or Broadway tickets in New York.

Gary: Thank you for the offer; I'll e-mail you with contact information.

D.

Again, you are not understanding, I am not insulting your works, they are good supplements. You are being very insecure and defensive, when you do not have to be. I am appalled that you would make a comment like you did about your Dad. I am also surprised at the disrespect and sarcasm you are showing to me after all I did for your family and my teacher Ed Parker Sr. I have discussed this with Grandmaster Pick and Sean Kelley and after much thought I will send you a private e-mail with my thoughts and a bit of education for you. That hopefully will be followed by a phone call. I need to stop here so I do not over do it publicly. I will be going to a tournament this weekend , so the e-mail will arrive to you by Monday or Tuesday.........

Tony,

I know that we all should not just speak out as we want. It always seems to cause a problem. But people do anyways, more so now on the internet, and they can be insulting and they call it "just an opinion".

Every now and then, I need to just speak my mind about that, when the topic effects me or my kin. When people say things online, and they post enough and as a regular poster, what they create is a following or a cause, surrounding their opinion. People do not take the responsibility of that, nor the effects that it makes.

I know people come online to read what this poster or that poster has said. If it is juicy enough, the phone calls ring and the emails pile up to further what is being said, and people are influenced by this.

I do not care that you do not wish to use the Kenpo Kards nor the Encyclopedia. You have every right to feel the way you do. It was just very insulting to me the way you chose to talk about it in public. That is how many people read it, hence the reason I responded, because of the reaction created by your post.

I was offended and I responded in kind as my reaction offended you, and then you responded in kind, and then that was repeated until I needed to just remove my posts.

I was caught off guard, I was in my art mode and then I got slammed by emails and phone calls so it fueled me to say something. I got irritated publicly (it is inevitable, it is the kenpo community) and just as you are entitled as am I. I just do not want it to remain in public view so I removed it.

People come online all the time to read posts, in some cases they eventually post themselves. Some you never hear from them online, and then one day they post 20 times a day. For months, bombarding people with their opinions.

Some give the impression that people have just been waiting for this poster to save the community with new truths. Some of these stories have to do directly with me or my immediate history by people who were not present at the event. Or they say things that effects my way of making a living for my family or mis represent my father and his works. When that happens, I post. Right or wrong it is my reaction to what I am being presented.

Even though I am disgruntled still. I vented some of my kenpo frustration on you unjustly. You do deserve more respect from me than my last post, I apologize and I have withdrawn my previous posts.

Edmund