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Let's move on - Blinding Sacrifice

November 5 2010 at 11:06 AM
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Michael Miller  (Login millhouse23)
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Any of you cats think you can pull that puppy off on the streets?

Why or why not?

 
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Ray Albrechtsen
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Re: Let's move on - Blinding Sacrifice

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November 5 2010, 11:30 AM 

I was just thinking about that tech last night (since it's featured in the latest black belt mag). I like the tech, but am concerned about the possibility of attacker's ability/inability to collapse his arms inward/downward as the initial pokes are launched.

 
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Chuck
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the article...

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November 5 2010, 4:11 PM 

was it just me, I don't have it handy, but did the person applying the technique leave his groin open to the attacker in the beginning?

I'd have to look again at the grocery store but thought you might have it handy there.

 
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Ray Albrechtsen
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Re: the article...

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November 5 2010, 4:57 PM 

I didn't read the article, I saw the cover of the mag. I learned the tech in the late 1980's. My teacher taught it with the preface of twin, simultaneous ridge hands to the lower ribs. I didn't care for the ridge hands and have since taught the preface as twin, simultaneous leopard punches to lower ribs.

 
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Lobsang
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All I can say is..

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November 5 2010, 3:16 PM 

Meow..purr purr..Meow..Hiss..scratch...Meow..

 
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Chosen One
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It's pretty!

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November 5 2010, 4:29 PM 

It is a pretty technique when done sharply.
The guys on the Casa de Kenpo youtube clip do it nicely - fast and clean (btw, this is not an endorsement).

But, I generally don't like techniques that involve symmetrical striking (i.e. using both arms simultaneously to do the same movement).

I am a proponent of alternating strikes so that I always have a hand near my face for protection.

In the technique, I don't like the movement after the initial double eye poke - windmilling arms to grab groin - I just don't think that the opponents arms can be pinned securely. Also, I don't like the third movement which places both arms behind the opponent to strike kidneys - it leaves the entire front of my body open.

lastly, based on real fights, I don't think the opponent will stand there and wait for all the strikes to hit their mark.

My two cents.
Respectfully,
The Chosen One

 
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Michael Miller
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Here's the thing...

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November 5 2010, 5:18 PM 

...the technique is not good for reality. First off there is a reason part of the name is "Sacrifice." There are no checks and you put yourself in a vulnerable position more than once. Not to mention, do you really think you are going to pull off a double palm strike to the groin? The guy would have to have gonads the size of watermelons to pull that off. wink.gif

So, I agree with your post.

 
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Sami Ibrahim
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reply to here's the thing

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November 5 2010, 11:18 PM 

Did you learn anything from this technique?

This technique reminds me of two techniques found in the Yang Family Traditional Long Form...

 
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Michael Miller
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Yes

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November 6 2010, 8:32 AM 

I learned a lot from it, just like every other technique.

 
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Chosen One
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Yes.....

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November 7 2010, 11:57 AM 

I also learned a lot from the technique.

I learned what NOT to do when someone tries to choke me. happy.gif

The benefit of the technique is that it requires you to make some physical movements that you would normally not make. And, you could take those movements and string them together into a different technique that would be more efficient - I'm trying to see the glass half full happy.gif

Respectfully, but said sarcastically,
The Chosen One


    
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Anonymous
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Re: It's pretty!

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November 6 2010, 12:30 PM 

>>> I don't like the movement after the initial double eye poke - windmilling arms to grab groin - I just don't think that the opponents arms can be pinned securely. Also, I don't like the third movement which places both arms behind the opponent to strike kidneys - it leaves the entire front of my body open.
My thoughts as I read this paragraph ...

I'm not even attempting to pin the opponent's arms. I just clear them, and healpalm / claw the groin. I may end up in a bear hug, arms pinned (Thrusting prongs, anyone) but, I have his manhood in my hands. That's like sending a pawn against a knight. Also, I imagine that dual kidney strikes should effect some reaction to eliminate that bear hug, arms pinned.

If the entire front of my body is open, I am not working this technique at the correct range. The front of my body should be in contact with the front of his body.

 
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Bob White
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Eddie Downey

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November 5 2010, 5:36 PM 

Blinding Sacrifice is not my favorite technique but if someone were to make it work it would be Eddie Downey. He is extremely strong as well as very fast. He has a fighting background so he has the clarity under pressure to make techniques work. Before we became close friends I watched him test for his 5th degree in Baltimore during the 90`s. He is a real kenpo blackbelt who can take it as well as dish it out. I have a lot of respect for his skill level.
Bob White

 
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Richard Post
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Re: Let's move on - Blinding Sacrifice

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November 5 2010, 6:11 PM 

Now this is a technique I would prefix with a kick to the groin .....if I was on the receiving end, the defender is wide open for it!!!!!

I would rather give them my wallet, my Wife, my grandkids....even bend over, rather than attempt to pull that off in the mystical streets!!!!!

Rank it second on my least favorite techniqes list....Snakes of Wisdom ranks first...

Talk about setting patterns...

Just my opinion

Rich

 
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Michael Miller
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Thank you

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November 6 2010, 8:33 AM 

"I would rather give them my wallet, my Wife, my grandkids....even bend over, rather than attempt to pull that off in the mystical streets!!!!!"

My point exactly.

 
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Sami Ibrahim
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Which one of your teachers

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November 6 2010, 11:35 AM 

Which one of your teachers told you that you have to do this technique exactly in the sequence and angles shown on the street?

In fact I dont want to know who told you such foolishness, my advice is to find a better teacher

 
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Clyde T. O'Briant
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LOL

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November 6 2010, 12:57 PM 

A man who knows his art is not afraid to deviate from it when necessary. I use my pistol to get back to my rifle, doesn't mean the pistol is an inferior weapon, it's simply the context with which it's used.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Richard Post
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Re: LOL

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November 6 2010, 1:32 PM 

Thanks Clyde, you validated my point....not afraid to deviate from it!!!!!

Would you use empty hands over your pistol or rifle????????

Rich

 
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Clyde T. O'Briant
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HUH?

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November 6 2010, 1:39 PM 

You have to know it to deviate from it. And yes, I would prefer to use my hands and feet as opposed to my pistol. That way, I can watch/feel them suffer up close and personal knowing I have the will and means to take it even further when necessary LOL.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

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Richard Post
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I would prefer not to use it at all....

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November 6 2010, 1:43 PM 

But that's not my reality.....

Who knows it better those that have used it or those that think they can use it when the time comes? A lot more than just physical skill and theory are involved.

If you have a gun and still have to use hands and feet??????

Ego gets in the way sometimes!!!!

Rich

 
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Richard Post
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Re: HUH?

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November 6 2010, 1:49 PM 

"A man who knows his art is not afraid to deviate from it when necessary"......

I deviate all the time.....but what do I know, LOL!!!!!

If you don't believe I know it does not affect my abbility to use it, only your ability to defend against it!!!!!


Rich

 
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