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July 22 2012 at 4:13 PM
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Chuck Peterson  (Login SCChuck)
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I've got a weird question and I'm not sure what good would come of it but I'm going to ask anyway.

What target do you think our 154 or so techniques attack the most? I don't want an actual statistical answer. I want your gut instinct more. If you think about it for more than 30 seconds, you're putting too much into it.

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Clyde T. O'Briant
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Easy

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July 22 2012, 6:07 PM 

The groin LOL

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Chuck Peterson
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Re: Easy

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July 22 2012, 9:13 PM 

That's Angela's answer.


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Chuck
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Hmm..

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July 22 2012, 8:25 PM 

The incoming weapon.

 
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Clyde T. O'Briant
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Nah

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July 22 2012, 8:48 PM 

I don't worry about the incoming weapon much, if I hit the target, the incoming weapon is nullified. Now, being offensive, that's where I'm going to direct my blows, to their weapons first, then to other vital targets.

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Chuck
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Seems counter intuitive

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July 23 2012, 4:38 PM 

If you don't mind the incoming weapon, then you get hit.

It seems contradictory to say you don't mind the incoming weapon, then to say you direct your strikes to their weapons first, which is it then?

 
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Craig Tavis
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Offense/defense

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July 24 2012, 7:10 PM 

The weapons are attacked when offense is the priority. When defending target availability and destruction is priority. Two different situations.

CT

but that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
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Clyde T. O'Briant
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Yep

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July 25 2012, 6:00 PM 

What Craig said, he's learned well.

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Chuck
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lol

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July 26 2012, 3:00 PM 

Ok, so what are you doing to the incoming weapon in Delayed Sword?

 
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Craig Tavis
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Thats

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July 26 2012, 8:40 PM 

My first strike. Two in one in that example. And you could use delayed sword offensively to stay consistent with my point. All of the sparring techniques are examples of this as well.

CT

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Chuck
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So,

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July 27 2012, 7:34 AM 

That's my whole point. The most common target is the incoming weapon, in every technique I've learned thus far, the incoming weapon is a target.


 
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Tony Dunne
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Re: So,

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July 27 2012, 11:09 AM 





The strike is on its way, if ignored you are hit plain and simple, your response is to meet it, create
time, crowd it,or get your *** out of the way. If a strike is throw and your delayed response can not only ignore it but beat it, leave the guy alone.

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Craig Tavis
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Just clarifying

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July 29 2012, 3:32 PM 

What Clyde had said in not so many words. It boils down to the primary intent of your action. This will significantly effect the reaction you create in your opponent. Your question leaves for two possible answers. One qualitative, one quantitative. I believe the art and the concept of avoid, hurt, maim, kill addresses the concept more succinctly than a quantitative analysis of where we like to hit people. So, in defending, my primary intent is to avoid injury. The techniques do give an example of what you might expect when attacking through the example of striking an incoming weapon. Beyond that it's semantics. Your intent or preference plus environment and target availability should dictate your action. Therefore, the answer to question should end up as a question or series of questions. What is your intent? What is your preference? What targets are available? Incoming weapons are always convenient but once you've moved beyond basic motion they are far from what I would consider a primary focus.

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CT

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Chuck
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Back to the question at hand

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July 30 2012, 12:28 AM 




"What target do you think our 154 or so techniques attack the most? I don't want an actual statistical answer. I want your gut instinct more. If you think about it for more than 30 seconds, you're putting too much into it."

I say, the incoming weapon.

Delayed Sword, Alternating Maces, Sword of Destruction, Deflecting Hammer.. And so on, the incoming weapon is the most common target attacked.

 
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Craig Tavis
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The question...

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July 30 2012, 9:07 PM 

Still begs for an argument over semantics because by definition an attack is initiated by an attacker not a defender but OK. Of course that means Clyde is dead wrong. I've never seen anyone attacked by a groin. Well....there was that one time at deja vu in Vegas but that's another story.

CT

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Chuck
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It's simple

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July 31 2012, 11:44 AM 

In our techniques, which target is the most commonly attacked.

Not, which target attacks people. I'll just assume you agree with me unless you provide a response outlining which target you think is the most common with logical supporting statements. Simple.

 
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Craig Tavis
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Dont assume...

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August 1 2012, 1:41 AM 

It always creates problems.

I don't agree in that your statement presumes a simplistic view of what the motion within a technique really is. In reality your not attacking anything when defending. Your preemptivly moving into a stronger position within the universal pattern than your opponent. Attacking your opponent hopefully creates in them a reaction that creates the same result. It's a chicken and egg argument is all. Which came first? The technique or the attack. Example? I don't attack someone's wrist with a counter grab in crossing talon, I step into a left neutral bow as if my opponent isn't even there. I do this becuase we train such that there isn't any other reasoned course of action under those set of circumstances. So it's simple and complex. I hear you asking for a crude answer to a question that has been shown to have an elegant solution.

Sorry, just how I see it.

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CT

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Chuck
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I guess the assumption was that we are doing the same Kenpo

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August 1 2012, 8:50 AM 

Using the example technique you mentioned, Crossing Talon,




I attack the back of the hand that cross grabs my wrist with a thrusting heel palm strike that pins, first.

 
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Clyde T. O'Briant
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And if you do that

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August 1 2012, 7:14 PM 

You might find yourself in a worse situation than if you hadn't "pinned" the hand. Points of contact become levers and fulcrums, and when you pin the hand in CT like that, your will be used as such.

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Chuck
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You may have a point there,

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August 2 2012, 2:24 PM 

If I stand there with their hand pinned waiting for them to respond.

 
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