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Original comment :
At first I posted to this thread because after reading through it, I thought SG was being heavy handed with her advice/comments. She had used terms describing other posters as having "ethical retardation", "suffering from ethical handicap", being "culturally perverted" and compared them to "rapists". Not to mention the suggestion that I might eat my mates children or that it would be okay to just shoot me in the head. She says referring to anonymous and his/her family as "rapists, torturers and killers" was "NOT inappropriate". Can I hear from a moderator on that one? Because although it could be deemed by some a "rational analogy", it sure is hurtful and mean-spirited.
I was trying to probe further into her ideology because as an ethical standard/ideal I believe her ideas have merit although I think her approach is distasteful. But I was genuinely curious about SG's response to my questions (though she didn't answer, just pointed out how flawed the questions were). I regret having made the tag line "Re: so snooty…". I didn't think it was as mean-spirited as SG's rhetoric, but I shouldn't have stooped to that level. As for the questions I asked, I was not trying to imply anything, just wanted to know where she stood. (SG's sound and substance comment holds little weight with me because her substance is the same as mine… words typed on a screen)
To a large portion of the world the slaughter of animals for food, clothing or whatever is a part of daily life. Their religion tells them it's okay, their gov't tells them it's okay, their society tells them it's okay … this is something that I believe can be changed, but only slowly and deliberately. I have personal beliefs in this regard and believe the world could work harder towards a vegan diet. But if SG's efforts are intended to win anyone over to her point of view, I think she will be disappointed. In regards to Dragonfly's comment on my fuzzy meta something and personal attacks, I'm sorry but calling someone unbending and rigid hardly compares to calling someone a rapist and killer. As for being fuzzy about philosophy/ethics, well who except SG isn't? And aren't these academic topics? For me there is no question people will always have differences in opinion when it comes to right and wrong. My understanding of SG's interpretation of an ethical standard is that it hinges on the principles of being Non-Speciesist. If we do not agree with these principles at face value where does that leave us? Doesn't SG implying that animals are incapable of an ethical standard imply also that there is a difference between us and animals as sentients? I have more questions than answers, but I don't think that gives anyone the right to call me "ignorant" or "primitive". I have a different understanding of life and the living than she does. Who determines if there is a right or wrong here?
I agree with most of the other posters but especially Anonymous "Being a vegan doesn't necessarily qualify someone as being a good person!", and at the end there where anon again talks about the value of open communication. Really I should have just agreed with LynnMojo when she said to SG, "You're right? If being negative and non-understanding makes you right, then mate, I'll be glad to be wrong.", and left it at that. Since then, I've just been trying to respond to comments on my comments as they come up. I did not think I had offended anyone but if I have, I'm sorry. This however will be the last note. It is nice outside and I am going to go out looking for Morels. I have already spent far too much time in front of a computer today.
BTW- I live with two other adults and two small children, we are 3 veggies and 2 omnis.
