gary, regarding hoo,s party an my lettr about help etc, as you rightly said you pay your money to club etc an i agree people with other commitments cant be around to help or even come out to play [we,ve all been their] the point i was makeing [an they know who they are] we have a few that are involved alot with club an always want there say etc but when its time for support in other ways suddenly it goes quite, but will still turn up an do nothing, so yes i was haveing a dig but only select few an i will contuine to do so. After all it is in everyone,s interest to help were/ when they can to assist others on club matters an benifit the club in the long run, chips