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the FF, FR, 4WD arguement

August 13 2004 at 5:41 AM
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wolf  (no login)
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ya know, i was reading some forums about ff drifting. and you have no idea how much **** people give about "FF DRIFTING CANNOT DRIFT, IT AINT CONSIDERED DRIFTING!" holy **** man, for what i think....FF, FR, 4WD...you can't compare to each other. you can drift all those, it's just people use different ways and styles to make the car go sideways right? who disagrees?

 
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hobotech
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Re: the FF, FR, 4WD arguement

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August 13 2004, 4:14 PM 

i call it drifting. its usually posers taht wanna argue abotu it. USUALLY.

drifting in any form takes some skill

 
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kevin
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i agree

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December 8 2004, 10:20 AM 

my friends dad has a honda integra and it drifts really easily and it almost faces the inside completely. All cars can drift except for some really slow ones.

 
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Anonymous
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i dunno

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June 1 2005, 11:46 PM 

what is drifting? what do u consider drifting? i consider it as taking corners side to side. dori. ffs cant drift they can slide like crazy sidewayz but not really drift. or so i think. my own opinion. wuts urs?

 
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I dunno reply

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March 19 2006, 4:13 PM 

My definition of drifting?

When the rear wheels are slipping at a greater angle than the front wheels, the car is drifting or oversteering.

Course, I got this from en.wikipedia.com... argue with me if you want, but that's not my personal opinion.

My personal opinion (and what others have told me) that a DRIFT is when all four tires slip in an angle-slide in your car, whereas OVERSTEERING is the biggest argue over all drift racing: when only the rear wheels slip up.

I've done both, I've experienced both, and there is quite some difference. One is CONTROL. My FWD Cavalier oversteers all the time: the real wheels slip up when I take turns and corners (down my awesome country highway backroad!), but my Altima actually drifted... yes, all 4 wheels slipped up and that was a completely unexpected move because I've been told that FWD cannot drift, but there I was, at first angry some punks behind me in an Ecclipse busting their eardrums out and tailgating me, then I take a 90 degree turn to the right too fast: 30 mph, though I normally take that turn 15-20 under control.

Real wheel slip up is nice if you like a squeal, but drifting is nerve wrecking... if you don't expect it to happen.

All anyone has to do to drift is take a corner 25-30 mph faster than they think they normally could. It's as simple as that... easier said than done.

 
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disagree

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March 19 2005, 5:26 PM 

drifting is for FRs and maybe some 4WD. FFs Can't drift. its not considered a drift. FFs are garbaggggeeeeness

 
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InitialDrift
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FFs can drift

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April 2 2005, 3:20 PM 

A FF can drift. A "drift" is were a car can exceed the traction of the rear tires and to do this all you need to do is use the drift technique "e-brake drift".

 
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Re: FFs can drift

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August 7 2005, 12:48 PM 

he is right. my brother owns a 1998 chevy cavailer, and we got it to drift. its hard to do but it can be done.

 
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Re: disagree

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April 9 2005, 1:02 PM 

what the f*** how many people replying are from hawaii I have locked hand brake and slide up on SR20's on are track all the time have dori the entire track without an e brake once . and if you don't think ff can drift then come an ask me for a ride.I have been drifing for six years in a civic yes a civic ask any body from drift session can tell you guys ask david the guy who set up these forms I can drift fr ff awd but I love my civic. just cause you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done

 
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Anonymous
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true true

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June 1 2005, 11:47 PM 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd, i agreeeee. ffs are garbage. o ya. forgot to put in MR as bein able to drift. dori

 
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kim
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disagree

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March 23 2005, 3:26 PM 

this is insane.... ive never heard such bull. ive owned all the fore mentioned kinds of cars. this is how it goes.

FWD-doesnt drift. how to tell? can you take an entire highway off ramp side ways? nope. your rear will grip about half way through it. besides... how can you break the rear end loose with out an ebrake? you cant. you have to use it. and you have to use it for the entire turn to make sure its always breaking traction.

RWD-you can drift almost any RWD for a few reason. i use almost beacause i wouldnt recomend drifting an RV. RWD cars are able to use throttle control to keep the rear traction to a minimum this is one of the essentials of drifitng. now... you must have an LSD or atleast a welded rear diff to make sure your actually loosing traction to both wheel and not just letting your inside tire spin. an ebrake can be used but its only used to INITIATE a drift.

4WD- these are tricky. stock... id say that almost no 4WD can drift UNLESS the weather permits it too. like if its wet out or on dirt or gravel or snow then you can dift but its really scary!!! ive done it a bunch and i feel like crapping everytime! its fast and almost seems uncontrolled. witht hat said that why its borderline not drifting. the lack of control makes it a slide and not a drift. on dry pavement however the 4WD would have to be highly modified strictly for drifting because it would want to understeer instead of oversteering to initiate the drift.

so when it comes down to it... RWD is almost the only car that can drift... of course there are circumstances that can let other kinds of cars do this too... but for FRW plastic fast food trays under the rear tires while the ebrake is one is the closed to a REAL drift itll ever come to.

 
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April 2 2005, 3:46 PM 

FWD cars can drift. You had said so in your responds. You said uses the e-brake. The e-brake is used to drift. The technique is called the e-brake drift. Another thing I have to argue is that you do not need to apply the e-brake through the entire corner. If entered at a high enough speed, even on dry tarmic, once the car is parallel you can let out the e-brake and then counter steer. If entered correctly the momentum of the car well carry it throw the corner. This technique is not used for longer type corners but more for 90 degree type turns. One other thing is that AWD cars take corner differently then RWD. This is because you must enter corner at it full speed so the car can be carried through, and counter steer is very tricky because it is rarely needed the car drives the sideways by its self, but if you oversteer to much you may need to counter steer to correct the car.

 
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kyle arai
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Re: disagree

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April 9 2005, 1:13 PM 

kim come for a ride with me I will show you ff drifting with no e brake it's called weight shift try it some time it works come to the next drift session look for an 91 civic four door white and I will show you what I am talking about

 
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John23
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FF Drifting

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June 2 2005, 2:36 PM 

Hey Kyle, could you tell me how can I drift a FF car. Is it just entering a corner at high speed??
I drive a Dodge Neon.


 
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I agree entirely

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July 16 2005, 9:35 AM 

Yo I did my whole senior thesis on how you can drift a FF. It explained beyond a reasonable doubt that it's true, it is possible. The key proof that I found was this video called DRIFT YOUR CIVIC or CIVIC AROUND THE TRACK(i can't remember exactly what it was called, but it is out there) where this Japanese driver takes a fully built FF civic hatch and drifts it mint. and on top of it all he was in front of an S15. you should look for it because its ill. If I find it I'll post it so everyone can see and hopefully put an end to most peoples whining about how you can't drift a FF.

 
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damn

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July 16 2005, 9:40 AM 

Ifound where it used to be but my comp won't let me see it. that kinda sucks but I keep lookin.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=175931

 
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Videos

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July 16 2005, 9:46 AM 

These arent the same videos, but it's still a civic hatch and it's still a japanese driver.

http://www.projectaspec.com/goffdrifting.html

Hope this helps the discussion.

 
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Colonel Marksman
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In response to the "Japanese drift racer"

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September 6 2005, 6:14 PM 

I believe your looking for a Japanese Anime called: "Initial D", pretty cool stuff, but besides the point. FF can be drifted, but it takes a different style (as posed by the main character of Initial D) and serious skill. Its possible, yes, but everything in this Anime is extreamed to maximum limits (hey, the character drove on the same road for 5 years 6 days a week, snow, rain, or fog, which clears it up as a believeable story). But nonetheless, its possible. In fact, in my own theory, since so many people don't believe it can be done, and since the way to drift is so different (along with other slim theories from Initial D) that FF cars can DRIFT BETTER than FR or 4WD in some cases.

 
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