Response to Nucc's sin post

by Joe (no login)

 
N> IOW the incorrect use of the FREE WILL given to MAN in creation (Adam) is the cause of the ORIGIN OF SIN.

J> Yes, that is the cause of Adam's sin. A free will action was the cause of Adam's sin. However, a free will action is NOT THE cause of Adam's DESCENDANTS sin! Adam's posterity does not "become sinners" when they choose to sin. They are not born innocent and then become guitly when they sin. They are BORN GUILTY. Do you agree?

N> And you're saying it is just for God to create humans that will live through life with no choice other than to end up in an ETERNAL hell. Sorry Joe I can only accept a JUST, OMNIBENEVOLENT, God. happy.

J> Nucc, it is not I who believes this horrible thing, but you!

In your view, God foresaw in advance who would reject Him and go to hell. However, in your view, even with this knowledge, He still decided to create those men anyways, knowing full well that they would go to hell. He could have ceased to create those hellbound men to prevent them from going to hell for all eternity, but He didn't.

Therefore, your theology has God creating men specifically for the purpose of Going to hell. What's worse is He did this even though He supposedly wishes they were in heaven. This makes God out to be foolish and contradictory for setting Himself up for failure and disappointment because He brought upon himself something He supposedly did not want.

These types of actions are a problem for a God who is supposedly Sovereign, but also who loves all men and wants all men to be in Heaven.

The Calvinist, on the other hand, acknowledges that God created everything for His own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil. (Pro 16:4) The Calvinist acknowledges that whatsoever comes to pass, it is God's decree and God's purpose. The Calvinist acknowledges that whatever happens, happens precisely as God intended it to happen for His own glorification. The Calvinist acknowledges that out of the sinful lump of mankind, God creates some for mercy and honor to the glorification of His grace, and others He creates for destruction and dishonor for the glorification of his wrath and justice (Romans 9:21-23).

Therefore, for the Calvinist, there is no dilemma. For the Calvinist, there is no failure on God's part. For the Calvinist, there is no God who set Himself up for failure and will be disappointed for all eternity because something happened he could not prevent and wanted otherwise.

As I said, it is your view that has poses great and inescapable problems with hell, not my view.



Posted on May 8, 2009, 4:39 PM

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