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Hi All

by Artur (no login)

I was busy being a dad lately, but my Eagles are kicking some butt I see. Who put them so low in the rankings?

Cheers

Artur

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get the "anonymous" shit off this forum please, and make love like mad rabbits - we live only once

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Is Stats Paradise back for NSHL8? (eom)

by Larry (no login)



Posted on Mar 23, 2000, 8:08 PM
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I hope so

by Artur (no login)

I am in the process of porting my scripts and program to the PC as I have quit my job and don't have the same system capabilities any longer at my disposal.

Posted on Mar 27, 2000, 8:54 PM
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Once Upon A Time

by Happy Boy (no login)

Once Upon A Time.....a hundred happy smiley
faces got together and had an orgy.
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Stats Paradise

by Larry (no login)

Thanks to Artur's Stats Paradise, my seasonal update of the SunDogs team-by-team performance was easier than ever!

Check out my revised team page at:
http://www.nshl.com/teams/sundogs.html

And my end of NSHL7 Team by Team page at:
http://www.nshl.com/teams/sdsked.html



Posted on Mar 15, 2000, 11:22 AM
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Hello

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Hi everyone,

I just wanted to let the NSHL know that I am back running The Lizards franchise. I'd like to thank Terry (AKA "Dax") for covering for me while I was gone. However, as I currently have a MESS of stuff on my plate here in Taiwan, due to unforeseen circumstances, I am still want to let the team sit quietly without much trade action, etc., for a while, until I get some things sorted out over here personally.

Also (and if I might suggest unfortunately) a TON of crap I've received from a VERY FEW GM's in this league over the past 2 1/2 seasons has made me finally say, forget it, as to any active "participation" in the league, re: Demi Moore, The AST, The Chairman's Cup, rules discussions, etc. I really don't need the kind of EXTREMELY rude, disrespectful, harshly vulgar remarks that these GM's have insisted on relating.

If the rest of the GM's want to condone these actions by their silence on the subject, then, I guess I give in and will be silent too. It is too bad that a minority of the LOUDEST and most vulgar GM's in the league have resulted in my resignation from enjoying The NSHL to its fullest potential.

I have only been here to try to have FUN, and ENJOY myself - it's too bad that some GM's have made my experience here far too unenjoyable. I had hoped that active participation was one of the GREAT aspects of a Fantasy League; it has been for me. But it has been outweighed by these certain GM's who insist on vulgarity and defamation both publically & privately to me.

Thanks for your time. I just wanted the League to understand why I was not being heard from anymore - if attitudes change in the future for the better, maybe I will return to a more active roll. I'm sorry to all those MANY GM's who have told me they enjoy my participation, rules suggestions, AST Management, PR's, help in understanding HLS2 (for newcomers), etc. Perhaps if your collective attitudes can come together to finally supress the negative influence certain GM's impose on The NSHL, you may yet see my return to helping make The NSHL otherwise the BEST Fantasy hockey league on the net! Until then, I wish you all the best of luck!

Thank you again, Commissioner Gordon, for your fine management of The NSHL "Bat" Phone.

Regretably,

David Easton
GM of The Ping Tung Lizards & The Kenting Quakers

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Bulls**t

by (no login)

"If the rest of the GM's want to condone these actions by their silence on the subject,..."

The more I think about it David the more I feel that this is a bullshit statement. It shows your arrogance at an incredibly high level to assume that we condone anything just b\c we do not want to be involved.

Anything that you have been subject to you have only brought upon yourself and I for one will no longer defend you in any way, shape, or form.


Posted on Mar 19, 2000, 4:13 PM
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Well Said Trevor

by Anonymous (no login)

I couldn't agree more Trevor. David you are
so hard done by. I feel so sorry for you.
Quit your fucking whining. Do you expect the
whole fucking league to email you with an
apology? "I'm sorry David, please start flooding
our mailboxes with useless fucking shit again."

Now, let's all just get along.

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It wasn't me! (this time)

by Chris C. (no login)

At least I didn't start this one.

And as for the "very few GMs" comment...I seem to recall a LOT of GMs saying nasty things. Must be something in the green tea that affects selective memory. :P

Posted on Mar 22, 2000, 12:19 AM
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SunDogs Need Help

by Larry (no login)

If game 1 of NSHL8 is any indication then I'm in a lotta trouble.

Oh well, only 79 more games to go until I'm out of the playoffs!

Posted on Mar 14, 2000, 12:59 PM
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Wait will not be that long...

by (no login)

Me thinks that the wait to know you will be out of the playoffs will not be a 79 game wait!!

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I'd call you an...

by Larry (no login)

Thank you for the kind words pal.

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Lookin that way for the Icerays too.......

by Travis (no login)

That appears to be my thinking too......after 3 games......:)

Posted on Mar 17, 2000, 1:58 AM
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Dan Marino for the NSHL Hall of Fame! (nm)

by Larry (no login)



Posted on Mar 13, 2000, 1:30 PM
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Power Rankings

by Larry (no login)

The NSHL8 Power Rankings are more powerful and more rank than ever before.

Want to spew phlem and bile with the best of them? Or at least those who write the Power Rankings? Send me an email at: SunDogs@nshl.com

Knowledge of HTML is useful (read: saves me time) but not mandatory. A cut-n-paste template is available here:
http://www.nshl.com/power/pr_template.html
Just rank, rate and rave in the template, sort the teams in your prefered order and email it all back to me. I'll check your spelling, insult your team and post your work on NSHL.com.

Larry



Posted on Mar 12, 2000, 2:24 PM
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Sign me up!

by Larry (no login)

I'll be writing the Rankings about every 10 games or two weeks on average.

Some of the planned issues are:
Game 00: Season preview (Stompin' Tom)
Game 10:
Game 20:
Game 30:
Game 40: Mid-season report card
Game 50:
Game 60:
Game 70:
Game 80: End-of-season playoff preview
The Playoffs - round by round (3 issues)

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Sign ME up

by Daveterrors (no login)

I can do one early in the season; like after 10 or 20 games!

Posted on Mar 13, 2000, 7:13 PM
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You've got game 20.

by Larry (no login)

Check out http://www.nshl.com/power for background info.

Posted on Mar 13, 2000, 8:05 PM
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Power Rankings

by The Blades (no login)

I'll take a stab at it. I'm tired of the "Western" slant found in the power rankings in the last year. Time for some reality, folks.

Craig

Posted on Mar 15, 2000, 11:19 AM
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Game 50 is open...LMK

by Larry (no login)

Up and Coming Issues
Dates are tentative and may be affected the Commish's exam schedule, statutory holidays and beer runs!

March 27, 2000 NSHL8 Game 10 Report by Chris Carman 
April 10, 2000 NSHL8 Game 20 Report by Dave McCann
April 24, 2000 NSHL8 Game 30 Report by Jim Hanstead
May 8, 2000 NSHL8 Game 40 Report by David Easton
May 22, 2000 NSHL8 Game 50 Report -=OPEN=-
June 5, 2000 NSHL8 Game 60 Report -=OPEN=-
June 19, 2000 NSHL8 Game 70 Report -=OPEN=-
July 3, 2000 NSHL8 Game 80 Playoff Preview -=RESERVED=-
TBD NSHL8 Playoffs Round 1/2 -=RESERVED=-
TBD NSHL8 Playoffs Round 2/3 -=RESERVED=-
TBD NSHL8 Playoffs Round 3/4 -=RESERVED=-

Want to contribute to Power Rankings? Send Larry an email with the date you want. Each issue is published on NSHL.com on the Monday shown above, as every ten game set is played, and not necessarily when all 24 teams have played ten additional games thanks to scheduling. (Damn HLS2 simulator, but that's another topic!) Your material is due the weekend prior to that Monday.



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Faceoff.com

by Larry (no login)

Has anybody checked out http://www.faceoff.com ?

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Untitled

by The Blades (no login)

Great site. I've been reading up on some of the various leagues -- mostly the WHL, OHL, and QMJHL but if you care you can follow the foreign teams, too.

Craig

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Player Stats

by Larry (no login)

It also have comp player stats, so I've made a link for it on the NSHL.com Links page.

It really seems to bring all the news, scores and photos into one place.

Posted on Mar 3, 2000, 5:25 PM
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"Foreign"?

by Chris C. (no login)

I thought the QMJHL WAS foreign. :P

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end

by Daveterrors (no login)

Has anyone noticed that I have the last word in most of these threads?
Do I amuse you ? Do you find me funny? Do you think I am clown ?
Sorry got to go Wise Guys is back on.

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The Last Word (nm)

by Larry (no login)



Posted on Mar 12, 2000, 2:16 PM
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OK

by Daveterrors (no login)

I guess you are right.

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Of course I am. (nm)

by Larry (no login)



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winning

by Daveterrors (no login)

Sorry it took so long to have the last word but I was busy winning three in a row to start the season. Not bad for the 24th out of 24 in the power rankings. 8*)

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Four in a row...

by Larry (no login)



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1st

by Daveterrors (no login)

1st overall ( tie at least )

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Sundogs going to flop in NSHL8

by Chrispy (no login)

Is that better Larry?



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Hey, leave my sex life out of this!

by Larry (no login)




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HLS2000 Tournament of Champions

by Larry (no login)


http://geocities.com/TournamentOfCHAMPIONS

Check out the Ft. Saskatchewan Traders and the Charleswood Muffs give the old McSorley to the rest of the HLS2 universe!

Posted on Feb 24, 2000, 7:48 PM
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Untitled

by Daveterrors (no login)

I followed the link to a blank page.
Where to now?
8?

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It works for me

by Larry (no login)

<html>
<head>
<title> The Official Web Site of the HLS2 2000 Tournament of Champions
</title>
</head>
<frameset rows="16%, 84% cols="1*" border="0"> <frame src="http://www.geocities.com/TournamentOfCHAMPIONS/top_bar.htm" name="top" noresize scrolling="no" marginwidth="10"
marginheight="14" frameborder="0"> <frameset rows="1*" cols="16%, 84%"> <frame src="http://www.geocities.com/TournamentOfCHAMPIONS/left_bar.htm" name="left" noresize scrolling="yes" marginwidth="10"
marginheight="14" frameborder="0"> <frame src="http://www.geocities.com/TournamentOfCHAMPIONS/main.htm" name="main" noresize scrolling="yes" marginwidth="10"
marginheight="14" frameborder="0"> </frameset>
<noframes> <body bgcolor=maroon text=black link=black alink=red vlink=black>



Sorry!... This page utilizes frames, and your browser does not support them.




</body> </html>

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framed

by Daveterrors (no login)

Netscape4.7?
It worked today.
I think it has a lot to do with Cable Regina
being a shitty provider.

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Now who told you to move to Regina?

by Larry (no login)

And of course it's a S.H.I.T.-ty provider. Did you expect anything less?

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crapnet.com

by Daveterrors (no login)

I wanted to hook up with Sasktel's high speed
internet but when I phoned to hook up they said;
(use snotty tone) "WE don't have service THere"
They will by the end of the month, so cableregina can stick it up their dotcom.
I never knew how good I had it in Winnipeg.
I was blinded by Regina close proximity to
the 'RIDERS. 8?)

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Hall of Fame

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I think the NSHL Hall of Fame should be reserved for players and GMs only. Coaches are just names we pull out of thin air and have nothing really to do with the league.

Here is the way I think it shoudl work.

#1: For GMs, any GM with a winning record during his stint in the NSHL and having been in the NSHL for 2 full seasons automatically gets nominated for a vote. This does not mean they automatically get in, just that we have a vote.

#2: For players, any player with 500+ NSHL pts or a 1.25 pts/game ratio automatically gets nominated after being out of the NSHL for 2 NSHL seasons.

#3: For goalies, and goalie with a sptc of .890+ and 100+ games in the NSHL gets automatically nominated after 2 seasons out of the NSHL.

#4: Any player not meeting the automatic criteria will appear on a ballot that will be sent around the NSHL following the official retirement at the end of the NSHL. Each GM places a vote and a player would then be required to get 80% of the votes to get in if he does not meet the auto requirements. A GM can place a vote for nobody to get in. Players on the ballot in this category have 5 opportunities on this ballot to get in and then they will be removed from the ballot. GMs can place up to 5 votes (for different players), on the same ballot or as few as one.

I will volunteer to look after this for the league.

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Good ground rules

by Larry (no login)

I would only add that no GM should be in the HOF if still in active service.

Posted on Feb 24, 2000, 7:50 PM
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Hear, here

by Daveterrors (no login)

A hall that is tough to get into means a lot more to those that get in.
Sparky Anderson didn't even go inside the HOF in Cooperstown because he didn't think he belonged.
I agree that cartoon characters; however important they are to the day to day running of a team; should not be allowed in the hall nor should ex football OR hockey coaches just because in some "real life " arena did a great job.
This is a long time coming, as everyone who was there will remember the 'Mario' debate. I was on the no to Mario side but was shouted down by people who looked mainly at his NHL feats.

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The Golden Age of the NSHL

by Larry (no login)

Yes, back in the old days we were a young and foolish lot. Sentiment opened the HOF but let not sentimentality close it.

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sentiment

by Daveterrors (no login)

I was once sentimental...
now I just have my memories...

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Charles Shulz for the HOF

by (Login SunDogs)
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It would only be fitting that Sparky be placed in the NSHL HOF.



His outstanding contributions to amateur and pro hockey are well known. As well, Snoopy has graced our website for many years. Also, he died recently, which seems to be the most important criteria.

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I will second this :-) EOM

by Artur (no login)

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Untitled

by The Blades (no login)

Coincidentally we already have a Schultz division...

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CHeck Out real hockey site

by SExy (no login)

I coach a junior "B" hockey team in Fort Saskatchewan called the South Fort Chevys. Travis
Chorostkowski is one of our better players.
We are just heading into playoffs, we got a first round bye for winning our div, but be sure to check out the website at www.cjhl.org

Thanks. And Go Chevys Go.

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Good luck!! Nice job. (nm)

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Is there anything you don't come first in, Tetz??

by Psycho Sedsey (no login)

Or could it all be a matter of timing...????

Or maybe your are just the best Ass Coach in the biz???



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Just a sec...

by Larry (no login)

One, what does this site have to do with REAL hockey! hahahaha

Two, I hope you don't meet the Okotoks Fords in the semis!

Three, nice job.

Larry

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A much more interesting and relevant topic

by Artur (no login)

Gord, when is the draft? 3 weeks passed buy - you must have been awarded a doctorate degree somewhere by now. Time to play some hockey man

Another question: did anyone have difficulty connecting to IRC servers? I wonder if denyal of service attacks that have infested major sites lately are affecting the IRC servers as well.

Finally, anyone wants to trade? It is boring without any activity. I have Davidsson, Patrick, 9th pick overall, and some camps to trade. Offers are welcome. Looking for earlier picks and more offense.

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Trades

by The Blades (no login)

I agree, Artur.

In fact, I'd like to put together some sort of major deal that would land me the Sedin twins.

I've got 14th pick, 21st pick, camps...



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Trading

by Larry (no login)

I can't offer you any twins (Sedin or otherwise), but I am interested in Theodore.

Larry
SunDogs


Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:35:50 -0500
From: Craig Swistun swistun@interlog.com>
Subject: NSHL Mailing List

...is for NSHL-related topics.Like me soliciting offers for:
40 Jose Theodore R G 6 9 7 7 9 9 8 7 8 - - 70

I'm looking for D. Nobody is untouchable.
Craig

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The Twins

by "King" David (no login)

In the words of Brian Burke:

"There ain't NOBODY getting both Twins in the draft, except the Canucks!"

Of course, you'd have to change Canucks to Lizards, but you should pretty much get the picture! (Of course, I'll be HAPPY to get Drury too, if he's left to me!)

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Tom Loundry and NSHL Hall of Fame

by Artur (no login)

In an attempt to get this topic of the e-mail channel, let me start it here.

I think that there must be some sort of guidelines as to who can be submitted as a candidate into NSHL Hall of Fame (HHF).

If we want HHF to mean something, I think that all candidates must have been in some relation to NSHL as players, coaches, PR figures, etc. They may be recognised for their contribution to NSHL directly and, sometimes, for their contribution to hockey in general.

Given the young history of NSHL, only a few players can brag their direct contribution to the NSHL. A couple that quickly come to mind are Messier and Bourque, for example.

Nevertheless, back to the topic. Tom Loundry - a great guy in real life, I feel sad that he passed away. He has done NOTHING for hockey. He has done nothing extraordinary in NSHL. I don't buy Easton arguments with 6 out of 69 coaches for a minute.
Sometimes, careers are cut short, but that is just life.

1 time coach of the year should not be valid enough reason to be inducted in HHF. Otherwise, HHF is a joke.

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The NSHL HOF

by Larry (no login)

I agree with the idea of voting on this issue.

However, first the criteria really should be set instead of what there is now:
The generally accepted criteria for entry into the NSHL Hall of Fame are that the nominated player must:
  • be retired;
  • have averaged at least one point per game played in the NSHL; and,
  • anything else that we think of at the time.

    As it is now, only players can be nominated into the HOF. I propose the following:
    1. We expand the criteria to include GMs. This was a good suggestion by Mr. Tetz.
    2. Create a minimum service length such as two full seasons. One season wonders and run aways would be avoided.
    3. Enforce a one season waiting period before nomination. This is to ensure that a HOF player doesn't end up returning to play. (a la Guy LaFleur, or was it Mr. Hockey? both?)

    What do you think?


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    HOF

    by Daveterrors (no login)

    Maybe require more than one seconder to call
    for a vote. Like you must have five GM's in your
    corner before it is brought to the league.
    That way the 'idea' will have a snowballs chance
    of catching on.
    Then we can get back to thinks we all hold so dearly; Beer and hockey and beer.

    PS
    Beer yes.
    Landry no.

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    Give me your tired, your poor...

    by Larry (no login)

    Actually, all I want is your photos and maybe (if it's not asking too much) some work on your team pages. Mainly an original logo if you got one and rather use that in place of the hokey (that's hokey, not hockey) one that I scraped off the bottom of the Internet. And yes, it's true, the bottom of the Internet IS wearing crotchless panties.

    Larry

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    It's quiet...

    by The Blades (no login)

    ...too quiet.

    Who is cooler? Arthur Fonzarelli or Juan Epstein?

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    Who's Cooler

    by Larry (no login)

    That is an interesting question.

    Now they are really from different "eras" although their shows were broadcast during the same years.

    Epstein was one among many cool cast members and some geeks. The Fonz was pretty much the only cool one (and Mrs. Cunningham, of course) surrounded by not-so-cool worshippers.

    This is similar to the current debate as to who is the NHL MVP. Is it Joseph or Jagr? For that matter, it probably is Fred Brathwaite.

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    Untitled

    by Anonymous (no login)

    You're right, Larry, about the different eras.

    The Fonz had a leather jacket, but Juan had the 'kerchief in the pocket look. A toss-up, really.

    These are the guys left on the short list. B.A. Barracus, Magnum, and Colt Seaver didn't make the final cut.

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    Changed my mind.

    by Anonymous (no login)

    Neither of those guys wins, in my book.

    My Mom always said I was the coolest.

    * smile *

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    Cam Neely Foundation

    by Larry (no login)

    http://www.camneelyfoundation.com/

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    Hockey Commercials

    by Larry (Login SunDogs)
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    Here's a funny one...
    http://www.directorsite.com/superbowl_spots/fedex_stancup.html

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    Sundin and Gretzky

    by Larry (Login SunDogs)
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    http://www.directorsite.com/vidlib_miscpages/mcdonalds_nhl.html

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    How much do you love YOUR team?

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