Hi all and more specifically Jim !
I'm on the verge of building the daunting C2 Mexas conversion. I read the plentyful of instruction pages and looked again and again the Blog Jim did here but I still can't figure out which parts exactly I don't need from the normal C2 conversion set.
As some parts are really tiny ones (the caster is a master!), I'd hate breaking them.
I intend to build it straight from the box without extra mods. I guess I'll already have enough to do
What you are seeing is simply the back side of the rubber track pad in the metal track shoe.....all Leopard 1s of all nations have this.
Yes, you will have to remove the grooves....Mouse House Enterprises has also released two sets of road wheels (new or worn) for the Italeri/ Revell-Germany Leopard 1s that correct this....see my reviews on Armorama.
The rubber block on the backside of the track that you see , is not the track pad. What you see is the rubber spacer fitted into the track link, a square "hockey puck" to stop the wear and tear of the road wheels connecting to the track shoes. All brand new road wheels still have a mold seam on them, and is very visable, only after some hard cross country movement would the seam line dissappear.
Actually the road wheels are partially correct. What it is supposed to represent is the wear of the road wheel touching the tracks, but they made it to deep. All you would have to do to shave the wheels down, so the wear marks are not too deep.This would be shown on new road wheels that have had heavy useage only.
The Mouse House ones, that are worn do not show the wear marks and would have to be added to the road wheels to show this.
This is shown on the road wheel on the right:
This message has been edited by recceboy from IP address 184.108.40.206 on Jul 9, 2011 11:52 PM
I appreciate you posting the picture but I am not really satisfied that the road wheel has grooves.
I agree it is wear but I think the rubber is actually discoloured from rubbing on the metal track shoe and the rubber spacer causing two different degrees of wear on the road wheel resulting is two different shades of rubber causing demarcation lines around the road wheel.
This type of discolouration and wear pattern can easily be seen on Dan Hay's Leo C2 images on Prime Portal....there are no grooves but visible wear discolouration in a consistent pattern around the road wheels that could be mistaken for actual grooves.
In the image you posted of the partial road wheel if those are grooves and they went around the entire surface of the road wheel there would be about 56 grooves based on what can be seen....the Italeri road wheels only have about 20 grooves.
Modellers....you will have to make your own choice as to what to do with your Leopard 1 road wheels.
Good topic....good to see more Leopards being built!
With the Canadian re "tired" road wheels, the rubber is not the same as the German ones and is softer, and from wear and tear will have these grove patterns present. They are not deep , but are present .
The Canadian re treaded road wheels wore faster than the German types. The German Pirelli ones are far superior when it comes to the wear with the tracks. These were marked with small circles along the rim of the road wheel and most sought after by crews overseas. I ran with Pirelli's most of the tour and German track at all times. The German track came in 8 sections on metal pallets, were the CDN track came in 7 sections with wooden pallets.There were also different road wheels with re enforced bolt on wheel covers .
Looks like I opened the Pandora's box with my questions
Leo1s are as difficult to understand as T-55s(at least to me)
So, I'll post pictures of my WIP later on. I smoothed the wheels as I thought the grooves were to deep anyway. To late now if I was wrong, the tracks are on and I'm putting the side modules.
From your pics I see that there is no overlap between the module and the rear skirt. On my kit, it seems that I have no other choice than having the skirt slipping under the module.
Thanks for your inputs. The link to your gallery is appreciated Anthony.
No worries about asking questions to start discussions. It assists all modellers wanting to tackle similar projects.
You are not wrong by sanding down the grooves on the road wheels.
It is not a big deal the way you have attached the rear side skirts. You could have simply sanded down the edge of the skirt a little bit to make it flush or to create a tiny gap between the MEXAS and the edge of the side skirt.