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C2 Mexas conversion Q?

July 5 2011 at 3:35 PM
  (Login bison126)
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Hi all and more specifically Jim !
I'm on the verge of building the daunting C2 Mexas conversion. I read the plentyful of instruction pages and looked again and again the Blog Jim did here but I still can't figure out which parts exactly I don't need from the normal C2 conversion set.
As some parts are really tiny ones (the caster is a master!), I'd hate breaking them.
I intend to build it straight from the box without extra mods. I guess I'll already have enough to do wink.gif

TIA
Olivier


Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/index.htm
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm

 
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(Login recceboy)
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Olivier not Jim , send PM

July 5 2011, 10:30 PM 

But I may be able to help out with any questions in regards to the C-2, and MEXAS C-2. Feel free to drop me a PM anytime. If you need photos, I have lots of both.

Anthony

 
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(Login jasonbobro)
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Answers

July 5 2011, 11:10 PM 

First, good luck with your project.

Second, comparing the instructions from the C2 conversion with the armour layout of the C2 MEXAS conversion you should do the following:

For the hull assembly:

Leave off parts 17, 26, 21, 10, 26b, 26c, and 28

Use parts 18, 20, 11, 26a on the hull.


For the turret assembly:

All parts are used but parts 22, 23, 24, 25, and 7 are relocated due to the MEXAS modules.


 
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(Login bison126)
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Thanks a lot

July 6 2011, 12:54 PM 

Jason, your list will be helpful.

Anthony, I'll contact you when I'm in need wink.gif

I'll try to post pics of the WIP but it'll be a slow one as I also have an Enigma on the workbench !

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/index.htm
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm

 
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(Login bison126)
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Track links Q?

July 9 2011, 8:20 AM 

At Prime Portal I found a walkaround of a C2 showing that the inner face of the links has a small rubber pad. Is this specific to the Canadian Leos ?

The picture is large to post here so I just give a link to it

data3.primeportal.net/tanks/dan_hay/leopard_c2/images/leopard_c2_045_of_209.jpg

BTW I guess that I have to smooth the wheels as the real ones don't have those grooves as depicted in the Revell wheels.

Olivier
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http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm

 
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July 9 2011, 12:06 PM 

What you are seeing is simply the back side of the rubber track pad in the metal track shoe.....all Leopard 1s of all nations have this.

Yes, you will have to remove the grooves....Mouse House Enterprises has also released two sets of road wheels (new or worn) for the Italeri/ Revell-Germany Leopard 1s that correct this....see my reviews on Armorama.

 
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(Login bison126)
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Thanks Jason n/t

July 9 2011, 4:47 PM 


 
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Mouse House wheels

July 25 2011, 1:44 PM 

Olivier,

I would recommend the set "MA143: Leopard AS1 damaged road wheels for Italeri/Revell" (http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Resin/MA/MA140150.htm ).

I have it and it is great.You don't have to correct the rubber bandages and get wheels with correct size nuts. The damaged wheels look much mor close to life!

Harald

 
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(Login bison126)
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Any pics ?

July 26 2011, 2:05 PM 

Thanks for the info Harald. It's a bit too late for my model but could be useful if I ever build a new Leo.
Do you have some pics of the MH wheels ?

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/index.htm
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm

 
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Pics and Reviews

July 26 2011, 2:53 PM 

Go to Armorama and look up my reviews on all the MHE Leopard road wheel sets.

 
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(Login bison126)
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Thanks Jason n/t

July 27 2011, 4:20 AM 


 
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(Login recceboy)
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Not Quite True

July 9 2011, 5:38 PM 

The rubber block on the backside of the track that you see , is not the track pad. What you see is the rubber spacer fitted into the track link, a square "hockey puck" to stop the wear and tear of the road wheels connecting to the track shoes. All brand new road wheels still have a mold seam on them, and is very visable, only after some hard cross country movement would the seam line dissappear.

Photos here at linkie:
http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k130/ldshrecceboy/LEO%20C-2/

Anthony


    
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Road Wheel Truth

July 9 2011, 7:02 PM 

True, the actual new road wheels have the single seam around the circumference of the road wheel....but that is not the seam to be concerned about on the kit road wheels.

The Italeri and Revell-Germany road wheels have multiple seams across the width of the road wheels the entire way around.

These are not accurate on the kit road wheels and they must be removed.

Pics of the Italeri road wheels are in my reviews of the MHE road wheels...

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6439

http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=6452

 
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(Login recceboy)
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Sorry, the kit wheels are correct

July 9 2011, 11:09 PM 

Actually the road wheels are partially correct. What it is supposed to represent is the wear of the road wheel touching the tracks, but they made it to deep. All you would have to do to shave the wheels down, so the wear marks are not too deep.This would be shown on new road wheels that have had heavy useage only.
The Mouse House ones, that are worn do not show the wear marks and would have to be added to the road wheels to show this.

This is shown on the road wheel on the right:

[linked image]
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[linked image]

Anthony


    
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Road Wheel Grooves

July 10 2011, 12:13 AM 

I appreciate you posting the picture but I am not really satisfied that the road wheel has grooves.

I agree it is wear but I think the rubber is actually discoloured from rubbing on the metal track shoe and the rubber spacer causing two different degrees of wear on the road wheel resulting is two different shades of rubber causing demarcation lines around the road wheel.

This type of discolouration and wear pattern can easily be seen on Dan Hay's Leo C2 images on Prime Portal....there are no grooves but visible wear discolouration in a consistent pattern around the road wheels that could be mistaken for actual grooves.

[linked image]

http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/dan_hay/opfor_leopard_c2/

In the image you posted of the partial road wheel if those are grooves and they went around the entire surface of the road wheel there would be about 56 grooves based on what can be seen....the Italeri road wheels only have about 20 grooves.

Modellers....you will have to make your own choice as to what to do with your Leopard 1 road wheels.

Good topic....good to see more Leopards being built!


 
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(Login recceboy)
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Groves are present

July 10 2011, 1:28 AM 

With the Canadian re "tired" road wheels, the rubber is not the same as the German ones and is softer, and from wear and tear will have these grove patterns present. They are not deep , but are present .

Anthony

 
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Road Wheel Version

July 10 2011, 5:09 AM 

Ok...so they are a unique Canadian only road wheel?...is that correct? That makes a huge difference knowing that they are a different version.

How prevalent are they with the mix of standard non-grooved road wheels?


 
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Road Wheels

July 10 2011, 2:27 PM 

The Canadian re treaded road wheels wore faster than the German types. The German Pirelli ones are far superior when it comes to the wear with the tracks. These were marked with small circles along the rim of the road wheel and most sought after by crews overseas. I ran with Pirelli's most of the tour and German track at all times. The German track came in 8 sections on metal pallets, were the CDN track came in 7 sections with wooden pallets.There were also different road wheels with re enforced bolt on wheel covers .

Anthony

 
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German Road Wheels

July 10 2011, 5:56 PM 

Ya, I know what you are talking about regarding the dots around the outer edge the road wheels.

Thanks for the clarification regarding the Canadian re-treaded road wheels.


 
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(Login bison126)
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Re: C2 Mexas conversion Q?

July 10 2011, 5:42 AM 

Looks like I opened the Pandora's box with my questions wink.gif
Leo1s are as difficult to understand as T-55s(at least to me)

So, I'll post pictures of my WIP later on. I smoothed the wheels as I thought the grooves were to deep anyway. To late now if I was wrong, the tracks are on and I'm putting the side modules.
From your pics I see that there is no overlap between the module and the rear skirt. On my kit, it seems that I have no other choice than having the skirt slipping under the module.

Thanks for your inputs. The link to your gallery is appreciated Anthony.

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/index.htm
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm

 
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Leopard Info

July 10 2011, 1:31 PM 

No worries about asking questions to start discussions. It assists all modellers wanting to tackle similar projects.

You are not wrong by sanding down the grooves on the road wheels.

It is not a big deal the way you have attached the rear side skirts. You could have simply sanded down the edge of the skirt a little bit to make it flush or to create a tiny gap between the MEXAS and the edge of the side skirt.

 
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Jim Carswell
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I'm back...

July 27 2011, 7:55 PM 

from holidays in Europe, if you have any other questions about the C2 e-mail me jhcarswellATxplornetDOTcom.

Cheers,
Jim

 
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(Login bison126)
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Re: I'm back...

July 28 2011, 8:27 AM 

Roger that Jim.
But as it's my time to be on holidays wink.gif I'll contact you when I start the turret, probably around mid-august.

Cheers

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/index.htm
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