where does that vehicle live?

Does anyone know it's history?

Thanks

P

"Spartan" ....M4A2E8...serial number CT-261354.

It was a gate guard at Harvery Barracks in Calgary until the Strathconas moved to Edmonton. It now with the LdSH(RC) in Edmonton.

Historically "Spartan" is the name given to the Regimental Headquarters Squadron Sergeant's tank.

I don't know the operational history of the tank when it was still a runner.

the turret on that vehicle (Spartan) is the only General Steel turret that I have found as Canadian M4A2E8, the rest (4, that I know of) are Continental castings including "Boss" the BCR gate guard. "Boss" might have been a range target at one time as there are quite a few small calibre hits.
Not 100 percent sure about this.

This might be a real long shot , and super geeky, but is there any way of finding out which foundries supplied which vehicles to which units?....for example; the British Columbia Regiment had 20(just an arbitrary number) M4A2E8s on active duty, ready to roll.How would you find out which of the 20 were General castings and which were Continental? I would need the CT numbers and the regimental histories, yes?

I think I might be obsessing a bit here.

Now that I'm on this M4A2E8 kick this week I'm a sponge (good thing I'll forget all this stuff soon, my simple little brain would explode if I retained all of it...)..next week it'll be something else I'm sure. Feel free to roll your eyes and shake head.

As always Thanks for your patience,

Pete

I think the only way would be to look at the foundry casting marks on the turrets themselves. I think I have photographed every M4A2 76 HVSS in Alberta, unless there's one up at Fort McMurray that no one knows about...

Jim

matter? I'm not writing a book or anything.

I think your right, although there must be a record somewhere.

Cheers

P

n/t

There appears to be conflicting info on the serial number.

CT-261354 is the serial number provided by the LdSH(RC) in their official historical article log.

Here is another serial number in the IPMS winnipeg "Preserved AFVs in Canada" log...

http://www.ipmswinnipeg.ca/CDNAFV.htm

has it as 69059. I have some photos I'll check.

Edit:
The CT #261354 is not the actual vehicle serial # which is stamped on the rear tow lugs (69059). It's not up front anymore, I think it's out back now (Anthony?).






Jim

That list has the 2 shermans here in London listed as the same model.
The Holy Roller is an ealier model and my understanding as a Duplex Drive one belonging to the 1st Hussars. The Hussars have a D-day memorial at it every year. I have Photos from one of them on photobucket.
The other one is the gate guard at the new entrance to ASU london and has the name Angel painted on the flanks. No idea where it came frome.

I may be wrong but there's no sign of the wading gear metal fairings. 1st Hussars landed a good number of tanks right onto the beach and I think only one squadron was DD equipped. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
On another note, is the best way to a 1/35th scale M4A2E8---Sherman IIIAY still the Dragon M4A2 with after market HVSS (I'm thinkin' AFV Club)? I also have a Chespeake Model Designs turret I plan to use for this project someday...sigh...someday...

Cheers,
Roy

the Dragon Thunderbolt kit as per others suggestions. Easily one of Dragons better offerings.

It's been an easy project (with the exception of the foundry marks, my own sillines!)with all the parts except the T80 track. I replaced the hull MG and the main gun with RB models products.I also replaced the pioneer tools with Formations stuff.The casting marks come from Archer.

Missing is the proper exhaust diffuser for the A2. There is also an issue with the instructions.

Not sure if this helps or not.

P

...for a diesel Sherman ala Sherman III in it? I thought it was an M4A3E8 not an M4A2E8.

Thanks,
Roy

to make a A2, engine deck, rear engine access and exhaust setup. It is missng the proper A2 exhaust diffuser though. Someones (Academy?) M36 has the proper diffuser (or whatever it's called) If you do a search on this site there's a thread regarding how it was replicated. There is room for improvement, but it's a really nice kit to start with.

Any more questions, don't hesitate.

P

...

It is too bad there aren't an abundance of good in the field images of those old tanks. They sure soldiered on for a long time.

There is now new management at the BCR museum so it might be able to get access to more of this stuff. Before you couldn't even get a sniff.

There is some very cool stuff there.

Thanks again for all your help.

P

Have you seen these pics?

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1083&page=3

Interesting no exhaust diffuser.

Yup, proof that it can be left off!

I did not think so either, as a kid growing up you could crawl up in that tank as the rear plates under back in the engine bay were rotted out. It was in no way near the shape it is in today.
IIRC there was not even a plak on it. Now it has a few and a fence.

"Holy Roller" is a Sherman III....or M4A2 direct vision. It's not a Sherman DD but it did land on D-Day and lasted the entire war as the Regimental Commanding Officer's tank.

On D-Day 'A' & 'B' Squadrons had the Sherman DD and RHQ Troop & 'C' Squadron had the Sherman III and Firefly.

Would anyone have a graphic of this tank? I am looking for one in the public domain (possibly from a RCAC document, or other) for use in an upcoming title in the "Weapons of War" series - The Postwar Sherman in Canadian Service.

Thnx,
Clive
www.servicepub.com

Clive,

Are you looking for "Spartan" or "Holy Roller"?

It doesn't have to be either of these, just a generic post-war Sherman as used by Canada.
Thnx,
Clive

BTT
Still looking for a simple line drawing of one of these.
I have also updated RamTank.ca with a registry of M4A2E8 and a number of images are included. Always looking for more.http://www.ramtank.ca/postwar%20sherman.htm
The "Postwar Sherman in Canadian Service", No.36 in Service Pubications' Weapons of War series, will be released in late June.

Thnx,
Clive

Didn't Chris Johnson do a drawing of a Canadian M4A2E8 for the History of the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps book?

Perhaps get in touch with him?

Hi Jason,

I have a set of 4 1:35 drawings done by my 'house' artist, Karl Gagnon. What I am looking for is more of a graphic than a technical drawing. If you look at any of the past 20-25 Weapons of War books you will see that I like to inlude this type of graphic on the title page. I often find these in association newsletters, regimental dinner menus, and other docs that were sared with RCAC members of the era.
Cheers,
Clive

OK, I gotcha now. Aren't there computer graphic programs to turn images into drawings? Just thinking outside the box.