HS Soccer is great! it is the AMERICAN way!July 22 2012 at 7:54 AM
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and for all you morons that think the US isnt doing it right- that is exactly what you are- morons! you really want to compare the US to Italy, Spain, Brasil, Argentina? Kids- stay in school.......the US is what all those other countries aspire to become. the reason they have better soccer is that that is the #1 sport by far for their kids....the reality is that while many good athletes play soccer in the US- the best are often playing, basketball, football, baseball----that kind of whittles down the talent pool---the fact that the US is as competitive as it is when soccer is the 4th, 5th, 6th most popular sport is pretty incredible- and shows what and why the US is such a great country....Trust me Spain would trade la roja- for our economy- so kids stay in school-if you are really that good and talented- you will play at the next level anyway! HS sports is the AMERICAN way.
Amen (eom)No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:20 AM |
All over the road!No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:27 AM |
This is a soccer board. Soccer wise, America is doing well - but should be so much better based on population. Clearly many years of doing it wrong will take time to overcome. There is a sense of enlightenment currently, which means we have come to the realization that we have been doing it wrong and can do better. Same in the UK. Heck, they seem much more worried than we do about it (which is also good). So I am confident US soccer will continue to slowly improve.
With respect to "the best athletes": we have plenty to go around in all sports. The athletes playing soccer for our national team are stellar athletes. The problem isn't lack of athleticism, the problem is that they just aren't good enough at soccer. To further the point... Soccer players can get paid. Superstars can get paid really well. You don't hear track and field coaches complaining about a lack of athletes, do you? Last time I checked these athletes have no more opportunity professionally than women's soccer.. Yet they still seem to participate and do very well internationally. Soccer's lacking skill, not athleticism. There are athletes just as athletic as LBJ who can't make money at basketball, or any other sport because they lack the discipline to put in the work necessary. US soccer doesn't lag behind for lack of athletes.
Education wise, America is doing better than some but certainly not well enough. I will certainly agree that "stay in school" should be top of our agenda as a nation.
Finally, High School sports are fun. Everyone needn't participate, though. Choice is good.
Told you I this post would be..... all over the road.
I think you are on to somethingNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:36 AM |
In fact, soccer my be giving a disportionate number of youth athletes the chance to play soccer. If you look at the numbers of kids enrolled in all youth programs, soccer is tops. I think most people understand when a top athlete leaves leagues behind to play DA. This include High School soccer. What we are seeing on the forum is a couple of people who don't understand sports in general. The very best athletes are rare and have to move on if they want the opportunity to make the big leagues.
Re: I think you are on to somethingNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:44 AM |
But are there really 80 of these 'very rare best athletes ' here in Georgia ?
No way to tell how many or which ones of the 80 are the ones who will make itNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 10:20 AM |
The pool of the 80 provides the opportunity for some to continue to play professional. Correct all won't make it. But this is the best league if you want a chance.
Re: No way to tell how many or which ones of the 80 are the ones who will make itNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 10:38 AM |
So the loss of the 70 or so who will not make it is a necessary sacrifice for high school soccer so that the true elite have someone to train with and play against?
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|July 22 2012, 11:27 AM |
And the converse of your post is that they should therefore stay so that the farce that is HS soccer is perpetuated?? To take your argument further, should the NBA teams that know they have no chance of winning the title simply quit, instead of providing the potential champion with teams to play against?? As the previous posters stated, it's all about individual choices, and everyone should do what's in their best interest.
Necessary Sacrifice for High School SoccerNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 12:27 PM |
The opposite is true.
Pull out the top 80 improve High School Soccer, by providing more parity.
It gives an opportunity for other players to enjoy the sport while allow the best of the best a shot at PLAYING PROFESSIONAL SOCCER.
yes (eom)No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 1:54 PM |
Stay in school?No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:40 AM |
No one is advocating that these DA players quit high school only that they break away from the poor quality of high school soccer. The fields are way too small, the talent is spread too thin for any consistent quality in games and the refereeing is poor at best.
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|July 22 2012, 12:26 PM |
Using your logic, European teams would quit playing US because competition is poor. Stop the nonsense...play DA and HS. If they tell you you can't, tell them to $&!? off. A few top players take that position and DA crumbles.
do you have a son playing DA?No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 2:03 PM |
seems like you are arguing about a hypothetical.
we have heard from several who DO play DA, who have a legit shot at playing professionally. They say they would skip HS. no question .
What do you care? Did your club team lose its best players and now your HS team may as well? If so, celebrate for these boys... cry at home, because doing it here is embarrassing. they have a rare opportunity. life goes on.
it's not mandatory.
US has the biggest pool, population and most resources by farNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 12:06 PM |
No we do not, our system limits the poolNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 2:40 PM |
In Spain were there are 600 clubs, at the 17-18 level there are approximately 15000 players at a high level,
In the use we narrow that down to approximately 80 DA clubs, 25 players per team, works out to around 2000 players
We cut our own throughts
Re: No we do not, our system limits the poolNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 3:01 PM |
Pay to play does limit the opportunity, no doubt.
how many in spain play for their HS?- they only play clubNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 7:55 PM |
No sht, the response was to the statement we have the largest pool of players, we dontNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:09 PM |
DA is yet another parsing of our top talent pool that only weakens our total developmentNo score for this post
|July 22 2012, 8:36 PM |
DA is yet another of a very long line of top youth soccer developmental programs. It follows ODP, Super Y, R3PL, and a myriad of other selective youth programs, including the very young u10 academy programs. All these top select programs were created to provide our best players (usually the top 1 % of youth players) the opportunity to play against others at the "highest" youth level for their age group.
No other country that I know of parses out their top youth soccer developmental resources (players, quality coaches, money) across so many years to the extent that the usa does.
And this defines our weakness in overall youth development. Instead of improving the one higher level select program identification, our youth soccer leaders decide, instead, to create yet another select program.
The focus is usually that the organizers of the "new" top select program see a potential money revenue stream. They market the new select program as even more "select" as the last created select program. The usa , being the one country with parents willing to spend even more money for the opportunity for their kids to be on the next latest, greatest, select program quickly sign up.
The USA now has some 3 to 5 top level select programs that support the same top 1% of youth players. What is the point? All we are doing is taking our financial and quality coach resources and devoting these to a few instead of developing our much larger future talent pool.
Instead of focusing so much attention, resources, on the same 1% of top players, we should be focusing our efforts on developing our entire youth soccer pool.
Raise the water level instead of a few boats...!!
Not many youth soccer clubs are folding or becoming bankrupt so the non elite 99 %No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 8:44 PM |
must still be happy enough with what they are getting for their money?
Thank you, well said, in addition we decide at to early of an age who is the 1%No score for this post
|July 22 2012, 9:14 PM |
A college coach once told me that for ever D1 advance players, there are 5 who suffered injury or had not yet developed. In the US that approximately 83
of players are discarded.
Please name the 3 to 5 top level Select ProgramsNo score for this post
|July 23 2012, 1:28 PM |
Also, list the starting age for the programs.
If the dollar signs were not blocking their viewNo score for this post
|July 25 2012, 4:36 AM |
maybe the powers that run US soccer,would realize that most of europe does it exactly like you described we should. We tend to dumb down everything we do including education.We do this so the average to below average players,students can feel better about playing classic,r3pl or whatever. When the bar is raised instead of creating another division we need to bring as many as we can to the new bar height. What you really end up doing is creating players with the wrong attidude,the all about me attitude.Everybody knows what im talking about,those players that are uncoachable,so much potential,and tear team chemistry to shreads. Just because they play at the top level.They should be working at trying to make their teamates better encouraging them to keep up,leading by example,be a coach on the field.These are the things that pro teams would kill for promise you!
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