Leather -- smooth or perforated?

Here's a question for those who have seen the Pilots -- Is the leather interior "perforated" like the MDX or smooth (I think the Odyssey is smooth)? I don't like the little holes in the MDX; doesn't seem too practical for a "Family Adventure Vehicle." So I'm hoping the Pilot has "easy clean, smooth leather interior". Anyone know for sure?

Also, Ontario Mike seems to be saying the interior is a duo-tone of black and gray -- are the leather seats themselves gray? (Have my fingers crossed; didn't want the black leather -- again, the MDX has black and I didn't like it -- gets too hot, I think).

Still eying the Odyssey vs. the Pilot...

Thanks!