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We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 3 2004 at 9:37 PM
Joshua 

 
I just saw the new ratings for last week and Days is number seven with a 2.7 I know they were not on Thrusday. I am affraid that if they get any lower Nbc will take Days off the are no matter if they have a contract or not. One Life To Live beats days now. We need to do something fast, I don't think the show is that bad. Maybe that is why they get so many Soap Opera Digest covers, they are trying to get support for the show and people talking and watching Days. I would hate to see Days leave us. I tell people to tune into the show becasue they fill like their my family also. They are also droping the the demograpics as well. I don't know if it's the writting or Soapnet that keeps people away, maybe the soapnet thing was a bad idea? I rember six even ten years ago the ratings were neck in neck with Y&r for number one spot. I would love to see Soapnet ratings to see if they are higher. I no their are other ways to watch Days but you think with people that don't SoapCity downloads or Soapnet the numbers would still be higher. I just don't get it Y&R GH Amc B&B and finally one life are beating Days I always think of One Life to live the little soap that could. beacause of the othe rpopularity of Gh and Amc. If things get worst Guiding Light will beat Days their clibming in the ratings also. what does Nbc want their soaps at the bottom? I don't think it's all Jim Reilly fault, my favorite years of Days are 92 till 98. when he was writting the show the last time. Maybe Nbc has more controll over which direction to take it. I don't know, I just want to see the numbers back up. I am starting to get scared.

 
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GraceAdler

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 3 2004, 10:07 PM 

The show sucks! They are losing viewers because the writing is terrible. JER is turning the entire show into one huge triangle, it's insane.
I ain't watching it. The Scooby Doo Gang has entirely too much air time. They don't show fan faves like Marlena and Jack. 2 of the supercouples aren't together and I think Bope will be seperated soon.

I encourage people to stop watching. Lower ratings is the only thing the TIIC will pay attention too. If the ratings and HH continue to fall they will have to make changes. I'm actually happy the ratings are down. It lets them know the majority of the viewers hate what they are doing to the show. Days is at an all time low. JER needs to watch a few eppies from the mid to late 80's to understand what good writing is.

 
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CalAggie

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 3 2004, 10:36 PM 


I am not watching, but not being a Nielsen family member it means nothing. Sadly, even the lower ratings does not seem to elicit a change. The ratings have been 2.7 for sometime -- two three weeks ago they went up to 3.0 and then when fans say most of the victims were still dead, and how poorly unemotional the reunions were they stopped watching.

1) The cast needs to be axed of all but 4 our 5 teens.
2) Non-essential characters need to be let go, Bonnie, Patrick, Brandon, Nicole, NuMickey, and some others.
3) The major six, Jack, Jennifer, Bo, Hope, John, and Marlena need to get the Scobby Gang's airtime.
4) Return to character driven stories.
5) Really have a wham bang explanation and exonerate Tony.
6) Actually write for the "older" veterans.
7) Write the characters in character: Jack/Jennifer owning the paper; Bo/Hope PIs, Doug/Julie/Maggie opening a new swanky nightclub/restuarant/casino; get John away from BB, something adventurous, maybe even make him Roman.
8) Fix Lumi, mature Sami, and try to write them as a couple. Make the mature and grow up.
9) Triangles only for the younger characters, though a Victor/Caroline.
10) Fix everthing first. Then once the show is fix, start in May for the next big storyline, STEVE's return. This would incorporate many characters. It could even tie back into the past, remember Steve, when he was going by Patch, was the one who found and hid the Pawn (RoJohn). Deal with Jack and Steve's relationship; Steve was Bo's friend, and of course brother-in-law. This will bring in Marlena, Hope, and Jennifer too -- and hopefully by the time the story is in full swing Mary Beth Evans has completed her tenure at ATWT.

 
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Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 4 2004, 6:06 AM 

I refuse to support the show as long as it continues to kick J/M fans in the butt. I sat through the summer of them split up and so out of character. Marlena even thinking of kissing Roman and then actually doing it, no matter what, was disgusting. John getting close to Kate so quickly was just as disgusting. After all that, I thought they would at least be together when the captives were rescued, only to be disappointed once again. Now, they are doing it again. Marlena is stuck with Roman and I'm sure Kate will be all over John. Marlena will barely be on screen until February at the earliest, and who knows if that's even true. And before anyone says it, Deidre Hall did not ask for any vacation time. She is being backburnered. I'm sure the Jack and Jen fans feel the same way. They are writing the show for the teens and their precious triangles, so let those fans support the show.

 
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soapnexis

I won't support

December 4 2004, 7:32 AM 

I will not support or encourage character destruction, history decimation, total betrayal of the viewers and actors and lousy writing!
Reilly began destroying Days in the early nineties and I stopped watching for over 10 years. He is now back to put the last nail in the coffin.
Corday destroyed his parents legacy by giving conro; to Kalouria and Reilly, I will do nothing until Reilly is gone and my Days returns!!
If that means Days gets cancelled, so be it, the crap they are giving us now is NOT Days of Our Lives, its an obscene look at one man's pornographic sick twisted vision.

 
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CalAggie

Re: I won't support

December 4 2004, 12:40 PM 


exactly, DAYS is the manifestation of JERk's hatreds and lusts... The stupid suits at NBC are allowing Kalouria to ruin NBC daytime through his obsession with teens and JERk's hackneyed writing. Considering CBS and ABC not only are doing well in the ratings but are critically praised and win industry awards I would think they would want their soaps to do respected not laughing stocks of the industry. Keeping JERk is not even financially logical since the ratings continue to dip and he continues to inflat the cast.

Let us hope the Christmas miracle is a new head of daytime for NBC, one who loves soaps, and respects the fans, and is willing to honor those actors who deserve it -- because they have talent not because they are "teens" or because they have hard bodies.

 
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Anonymous

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 4 2004, 12:55 PM 

I for one AGREE with you Joshua. I love Day's, and I don't want to see it go off the air. I watch it everyday. Also, I don't want to offend people, but why is everyone so harsh on the younger crowd? I know ya'll might think it's stupid, but not everyone does. I know they should show the older people a lot more, and everyone should be with who they are supposed to be with, but one day these older people aren't gonna be able to be on the show anymore, then whose gonna be the ones to take over? These people that ya'll call the "Scooby Gang"....you might not like them now, but like it or not, they are the future and people need to give them a chance. The writing might not do them justice, but if they don't get air time, then how are they gonna get people to start to love them and root for them like John and Marlena? You can't just come on one day and expect everyone to love you....you have to actually have been on for a while. Maybe they should balance the time out better to try and make everyone happy, but people need to give the younger crowd a chance because one day they will be days because like I said before the older people aren't gonna be on forever and the young crowd has to start somewhere.

 
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Joshua

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 4 2004, 1:04 PM 

Days has always had the younger crowed interacting with the older set, their was Sami and her friend forgot her name? their was young Nikki ALaman and Shaw Douglas who should be in a differnt age group. I would hate to see Days leave, I continue to support the show and the actors on it, some or very talented.

 
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CalAggie

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 4 2004, 2:03 PM 


What, give them a break, they have had a break SINCE 1999 when TIIC SORASed them all and then added superfluous extra teens. Every time they are on all the time at the expense of the veterans the ratings are terrible. That was the case in the summer of 2001 resulting in Langan's firing. For the first couple of months of Cwickly and Brash they balanced out the show and the ratings went up to 3.8. Then they brought in the alien twins, and wrote the stupid college dorm stories and the ratings fell back down, resulting in their firings. Enter Higley, she aged the teens and had them on all the time, the ratings crashed. She was fired. Now JERk has put the most popular actors on forced long term vactions, and is promoting the teens, and the ratings are stuck at 3.7 and DAYS is in 6 or 7 place out of 9 soaps -- JERk's other soap being in last place. The teens have had all the breaks, and the ratings prove that the fans tune them out. It is time that all the teens are put on the same leave that Matt, Dee, Thaao, and others have had, and that those actors get the teens airtime. I bet that the ratings will improve -- especially if they put the main six character back with their respective partners.



 
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Anonymous

Re: We need to do something to get ratings back up

December 4 2004, 10:01 PM 

I think we need to clear some things up here.

First, Kalouria may or may not be the problem. He may be the head of NBC daytime, but he must answer to the head of the network. What comes out of Kalouria's mouth is the NBC party line regardless of what Kalouria himself may believe. Kalouria came from ABC Daytime. ABC Daytime has a different philosophy when it comes to soaps. For all we know, Kalouria may actually be more partial to ABC's philosophy. OTOH, he may not. We just don't know.

So, why did they hire JER back at Days? The answer is simple - ratings. JER was the HW when the show hit high ratings in the 90's. They were hoping he would do the same again. It's not some nefarious plot, or conspiracy. The problems are many this time around; 1. JER is burned out 2. the audience has changed 3. the shock & awe crap that JER wrote the first time around isn't going to attract the fickle audience it did last time because they have no interest in soaps, and they've seen it all before. What's needed is a new style of writing. If the CBS & ABC soaps continue to do well, we may see a shift towards that style of writing.

Second, NBC is a business first, and foremost. It has spent the last 10 - 12 years pimping itself as the 'youth' network because that is what advertisers are willing to pay top dollar for as of today. This wasn't always the case, and may one day change especially with the wealth held by older demographics, and the success this season of ABC & CBS with their more 'adult' programming. In any case, that change should it happen, will take time.

Soaps are still profitable. The difference is that they aren't as profitable as they were in the past. I should also mention that ratings are important, but audience share is also very important. Anyway, there are many advertisers that specifically target soaps for advertising. Daytime ad spending on the major networks is nearly 1 billion dollars, and could very well be past the 1 billion mark as of today. If NBC were to cancel their 2 remaining soaps, then that ad money would automatically shift towards ABC & CBS.

Third, I keep reading that NBC will cancel the soaps for reality programming, or something else. Sure. They could do that, but that would put that ad money at risk. Even though reality shows, talk shows, etc. are cheaper to air they don't bring in as much ad revenue as the soaps. Plus, the luster of the reality shows is wearing off. NBC's & Fox's reality show line-up has sent them into a downward spiral this season. What about the rumors that NBC wants out of the soaps altogether? You know, that rumor has been flying around since my Prodigy & Delphi days. It could be true this time, but I have doubts. They cancelled AW, but created 'Passions'. The issue here, I believe, is ownership.

Anyway, that my $.02.

 
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Anonymous

Sorry, but DAYS doesn´t need to care about future right now,

December 4 2004, 2:45 PM 

Because if they will continue with this crap, there will be no future. Hiring Reilly was last attempt to turn fate of this show, it obviously failed, so I have no doubt NBC will happily cancel DAYS as soon as possible. Only chance for DAYS is if KC finally wakeup, or someone higher than Kalouria smells the coffie and decides it is time for change. But I doubt it will ever happen. And I agree with CalAggie, DAYS is trying to force this so called new generation atleast five years now. And their popularity is not only rising, it is decreasing with each of their new little trouble which occupies most of airtime while others characters are forced to solve their loved ones dying and other really important thing in a few minutes between their scenes.

 
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Anonymous

Re: Sorry, but DAYS doesn´t need to care about future right now,

December 4 2004, 4:47 PM 

I read somewhere that if Nbc cancled Days the show will not stop their it will continue on another network, back in 1998 when the last contract was coming to a close Abc almost picked Days up but Nbc made an offer for five more years. If nbc taked Days off the air I think Ken Corday has the power to start it somewhere else. Also back in 98 Fox was also in the runing to air Days.

 
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CalAggie

Re: Sorry, but DAYS doesn´t need to care about future right now,

December 4 2004, 5:33 PM 


I think SoapNet is the perfect place for the show, they do not seem to have the same idiot suits in charge. I also find it interesting that when they air special DAYS episodes they focus on the show's VETERANS, and they highlight the shows past ROMANTIC moments. On SoapNet not you not only get the advertising revenue but the money Dish and DirectTV, and the various cable companies pay to air the episodes. They air their shows three times, so you can make up for viewers who are unable to watch it at a particular time or miss a show. Then with the multiple airings there is added commercial revenue. I have noticed on their various shows their guests are those soap actors who are the most popular with the fans, which I think is another sign that they would promote the DAYS stars whom THE FANS want, not whom some hack writer or some idiot at the network wants.

I think the big mistake was that Corday blinked, in doing so he let NBC take over and they have no love for soaps, and especially no love for a soap like DAYS -- as it was conceived, i.e. about romance and family, and character driven.

 
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Joshua

Re: Sorry, but DAYS doesn´t need to care about future right now,

December 4 2004, 5:49 PM 

I think Soapnet is the best place for all of Daytime, like you said it the perfect place. I just whish they would use Sn ratings in with the nework ratings they would be much higer.

 
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CalAggie

Re: Sorry, but DAYS doesn´t need to care about future right now,

December 4 2004, 7:03 PM 


SN is not taking away from DULL's ratings, the ratings are poor because the show stinks. The ratings are suffering NOW because the show is pathetic, it is aimed at people who like JERRY SPRINGER, where people are verbally offensive and abusive to each other, especially to family members; where the guests are all trash, vulgar, and illiterate and ignorant; where people betray their loved ones. I meant that on SN the network would not be so obsessed with teens, and that SN seems to care more about the veterans and classic DAYS. DAYS' problem is Sheraton Kalouria, and it was he who forced the hack butcher onto DAYS, and it is his vision of ugliness and hate which is destroying DAYS and making it not only offensive, but stupid and boring.

 
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Re: sorry,but DAYS doesn't need to care about future right now

December 4 2004, 7:56 PM 

I think Days should have Rehired Sheri Anderson she good writer in mid's 80's-early '90's, I believe she only one can save Days, because she can writes for anys Character have a storylines, she did good with lot's supercouple in past decades, with Bo& Hope,Kayla&Steve,Roman & Marlena, Melissa & Pete, she write for John Black at first he as Pawns,Roman Brady,Forrest alamain,Priest,Doctor sugergy Army's shady past with Dimera's etc..mystery character's before he being as John Black , John & Marlena John & Isbella, Kim & Shane,Tony & Anna, Jack & Jens ,Adrienne & Justin,Robin & Mike then April & Mike.Lawrence & Carly, remeber beginning when we mets Victor he was bad guy's for whiles, Remeber Days have Teens storyline back then with Young 's crowd before Scooby Gangs Today's. Jen,Frankie,Emlio,Carrie,Julio,Eve I remeber Steve Burton (Jason on General Hosptial he play short-terms character as Harris, and Scott Reeve (ex-Ryan Young &Restless) too I remeber they have this storyline with Nick Pimps got Eve scarface by accident later I Remeber Nick car go off over the Cliff Presumed dead for whiles he turns out alive hide Steve one who help trouble Nick out . I love Eve & Nick with Phatom Opera's storyline it was sweet, I remeber's Days in 80's-early 90's have lots on Locations there were lot's nightclubs,strippers,mystery murder's,fight duels,quicksands,car chases good guy's chase bad guy's cops.Robberys,Hookers,Pimps,thiefs,Twin's Clone,Love stories. also familie core's together during Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday. I love wedding,at England,Greece,Mexico, I love music theme's back then, I love mixed with lot's good Mystery's Romance's & Adventure's really sad we dont see it on today's, I like a storyline keep you edge of your seats, today's dont see it anymore because JER, keep gimmicks,Scooby Gangs,repeatives,daily Flashback's,Sci-Fic plots,DaysDreams,Immature,etc...... less of Veteran's I think Veteran's should have more airtime's instead of Scooby-Gang's.

 
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GraceAdler

Re: sorry,but DAYS doesn't need to care about future right now

December 4 2004, 8:54 PM 

Sheri Anderson was the best writer Days ever had. If they want a great show again, they need to bring her back!

 
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Re: sorry,but DAYS doesn't need to care about future right now

December 5 2004, 6:50 AM 

I am all for axing the current cast, tieing up current storylines, and bringing back the big guns....I believe that is the only thing they can do at this point.

First off....STOP bringing back senseless past characters.....it is useless!!

Get rid off, Rimi, Brady, Nicole, Phillip, All the Dimera's (time for a new villian), Brandon, Chloe, Tex, Billie, Patrick, Bonnie(Adrienne would be OK)..and all the other nonsense characters. Keep just the core "supercouples"

Get the real ISA more involved....Shane & don't forget...Steve was ISA when he "died".

Start here....or somewhere......just STOP the madness now!!!

 
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Watching25+Yrs

Re: sorry,but DAYS doesn't need to care about future right now

December 5 2004, 8:50 PM 

You tell 'em CalAggie & soapnexis!! Right on the money, both of you. And Ashlee has a great idea too. Bring in a gifted soap writer. Heck, can you imagine if the Salem Critic wrote it? It'd be brilliant.

As for the ratings in young watchers, they need to think about the change in women. Most of us don't have babies early anymore. They should be catering to an older mom crowd now. I'm 39 with a 2- and 4-yr-old, educated and have money to buy the crap they advertise. I'm down to watching this show to 1 or 2 times a week and even then most of it's fast-forwarded. And who are the new viewers they want to get? Usually, they're the children of the moms watching the show. If the moms don't watch, the kids won't get hooked. They can't turn off their primary audience in order to appeal to kids. It works the other way around. Get with it! Real stories, love, happiness, etc. The stories are so damn depressing (is there ANYONE who is happy on there??). When something finally good happens, within a scene or two, it's ruined (Mickey & Maggie, Abe going blind immediately, Hope & Bo dealing with Shawn's new fiancee, etc.). Why watch if there's no payoff? NONE.


 
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