It's funny - just last night I was enjoying an encore presentation of the "Bodyslam!" wrestling special on the history, and there was Lou Thesz chatting away like the legend that he is... I hop online this eve after a long day to catch up on the news, and what do I read? Lou Thesz has passed away just days before his 86th birthday. It's always a tragedy to the wrestling world when sometone in business passes on, but so is the tale of life and death I suppose... We are all born and destined to die - but we try to make the best out of the short time that we have on this earth. Thesz did just that. He was a man who gave his life to the wrestling industry, and he is a legend that won't soon be forgotten.
RIP, Lou Thesz...
Until our paths cross again in this world of wicked yet decorous light, this has been the inculpable femme fatale:
HOW DARE U LOSERS DISGRACE LOU THESZ NAME BY MENTIONING HIM ON THIS BOARD. PCW ISN'T EVEN A REAL WRESTLING ORGANIZATION. THEY USE LITTLE KIDS, IMMIGRANTS,STUPID GIMMICKS, AND THE ONLY NAMES THEY USE USED TO JOB EITHER IN WWF OR WCW LIKE GILLBERG AND THE POWER COMPANY.PCW IS BASICALLY A BACKYARD FED, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY HAVE A REAL RING AND RUN IN BUILDINGS. HOW THEY PAY FOR THE BUILDINGS I DON'T KNOW, CONSIDERING ALL THEY EVER DRAW IS A TOTAL OF 13 FANS, 7 FANS OUT OF THAT EQUASION GET IN WITH THEIR FREE GENERAL ADMISSION TICKETS THATS THEY SEND IN THE MAIL SO I BELIEVE THE AVERAGE PCW SHOW DRAWS ABOUT 5 PAID FANS, YES THAT WOULD BE ABOUT RIGHT, AND THOSE 5 PAID FANS ARE BASICALLY BIG SLAM'S FAMILY. MY POINT IS DON'T BRING UP AN ACTUAL WRESTLER'S NAME ON THIS BOARD CUZ DEAD OR ALIVE NO ONE DESERVES THAT DISRESPECT
If this post doesn't show just how completely idiotic you truly are, I don't know what will. You call PCW a "backyard fed"? If I'm not mistaken, didn't your beloved CZW start out as a backyard fed? You have nerve to say we disgrace Lou Thesz by mentioning his passing here? What about the nerve you and others have of posting about him on the CZW fanboard along with idiotic posts about a "redhead with big cans"? If Thesz were still alive do you really think he would choose CZW over PCW? I doubt it.
I love how you continuously say that PCW "draws 13 fans with 7 getting in for free." The way it sounds, you've only seen 1 PCW show, and that was the Pine Hill show. What about the crowds they have drawn in Toms River so far this year? I know you can't count past 20, but there were far more then "13 fans" in the crowd at those shows. I know, maybe Donnie should use Zandig Knowledge 101 and blame the small crowds on other promoters being "out to get him."
Immigrants? Gee, not only are you a woman hater, you're also a racist. You really are a fine, upstanding citizen of society aren't you?
Kids? What about Towel Boy and The Brisc...oh that's right, they wised up and quit.
Stupid Gimmicks? Wifebeater, Menace, Nate Hatred...shall I continue?
As for you telling us not to bring up an actual wrestler's name on this board, at least PCW has actual wrestlers. We're sorry they don't set themselves on fire, toss each other through glass, and have the owner constantly put himself over just to benefit you.
Must be hard for you to talk with that foot in your mouth huh?
NA PAL CZW NEVER STARTED OUT AS A BACKYARD FED, CZW RUNS SHOWS IN THE GREATEST ARENA OF ALL TIME, NOT A BROKEN DOWN GHETTO TOMS RIVER HIGH SCHOOL,U CAN SAY THIS OR THAT ABOUT CZW GIMMICKS BUT THEY R ALL MORE ORIGINAL THAN ANYTHING HERE,SO NATE WEARS FACE PAINT AND A DANZIG SHIRT? THATS NEARLY AS BAD AS YOUR GIMMICK??**** NO, YOUR GIMMICKS CONSIST OF RIPPING OFF SINGERS AND NAMES OF BANDS, ONE OF U LOSERS SAID BEFORE THAT LOBO IS A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER AND THATS WHERE HE GOT IT FROM, WELL IF SO SINCE WHEN DID LOBO IN THE COMIC BOOKS EVER TAKE SOME OF THE SICKEST BUMPS IN WRESTLING? THE WORD WIFEBEATER MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL BUT BELIEVE ME HIS GIMMICK IS WAY MORE ORIGINAL THAN ANYTHING U MORONS HAVE,CZW DREW 1500 AT COD 3 WIT NO COMPS AND U IDIOTS COULDN'T EVEN DRAW A WHOLE 20 FANS AT PINE HILL REC CENTER. SO ZANDIG PUTTIN HIMSELF OVER IS A BAD THING? THE GUY IS NO VINCE McMAHON, ZANDIG ACTUALLY TAKES ENOUGH BUMPS AND PUTS HIS BODY ON THE LINE SO IF HE PUTS HIMSELF OVER THEN HE DESERVES IT.DON'T GET ALL PISSED JUST BECUZ U KNOW THE ONLY REAL WRESTLING DONNIE B. DOES IS WITH HIS BROTHER NOVA IN THE CONFINES OF THEIR GAY BEDROOMS. LETS COMPARE FEDS, OK THE TOP GUY IN CZW IS JUSTICE PAIN, PROLLY THE BEST WORKER IN THIS AREA,YOUR CHAMP IS HARLEY LEWIS, SURE I LIKE HARLEY HE IS COOL BUT HE AIN'T NEARLY AS GOOD AS A WORKER. CZW'S TOP TEAM IS THE BACKSEAT BOYS, GUYS WHO PLAINLY CHOSE CZW OVER U AND U R SALTY OVER IT, YOUR TOP TAG TEAM IS THE POWER COMPANY WHO PLAINLY SUCK, I SAY THEY R YOUR TOP TEAM CUZ THEY R THE ONLY TEAM WHO DOESN'T NO SHOW U, PROLLY CUZ ONLY U AND NWA JERSEY USE THEM, NEXT YOUR TV CHAMP I GUESS IS TOM MARQUEZ, A ECW REJECT WHO NEVER MADE NOTHIN OF HIMSELF, CZW'S IRON MAN CHAMP IS ADAM FLASH A GUY WITH LIKE A DECADE OF EXPERIENCE WHO EVERYONE BOOKS BECAUSE HE'S GREAT, U WANNA SAY THIS OR THAT ABOUT HARDCORE IN CZW WELL TAKE A LOOK AT RUCKUS, A GUY WHO HAS NEVER DONE HARDCORE, LETS SEE ANYONE IN PCW TRY AND TOP ANY OF HIS MOVES, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN, SO KEEP CHI CHI CRUZ, DONNIE BON JOVI, SLAYER,AND KEEP WASTIN MONEY ON WASHED UP TALENT THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE AS CHEAP ATTEMP TO DRAW FANS, E WILL KEEP RUCKUS, NICK BERK, THE BACKSEATS, GAGE AND HATRED, AND JUSTICE PAIN SO KEEP CRYIN CUZ EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THE TALENT IS. ITS ALL IN CZW
I'm sorry, I was wrong. Earlier I stated that your previous post showed how stupid you were. I didn't think you could top it but you did. This post by far shows you haven't a clue.
CZW didn't begin as a backyard fed? That's as far from the truth as you can get.
The greatest arena of all time? I'm sorry, the ECW Arena (yes it's the ECW Arena not the CZW Arena as they would have you believe) may have been home to some great wrestling, but it is not the greatest arena of all time. What about Madison Square Garden, the Spectrum, Boston Gardens, the Omni, the Sportatorium, Mid-South Coliseum, etc.? The ECW Arena is certainly up there with the best of them, but for you to call it the greatest of all time is dumb. And you also proved you know nothing about PCW with this post because they run the Recreation Station in Toms River. They no longer run at T.R. High School.
Nate Hatred's gimmick is a total rip off of Glen Osbourne. Just look at the 2 of them side by side. It doesn't take a genius (which is perfect for you) to figure it out. As for Menace, well...the least said about that gimmick the better.
Now I want to quote you directly on this. You said :
"ONE OF U LOSERS SAID BEFORE THAT LOBO IS A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER AND THATS WHERE HE GOT IT FROM, WELL IF SO SINCE WHEN DID LOBO IN THE COMIC BOOKS EVER TAKE SOME OF THE SICKEST BUMPS IN WRESTLING?"
That's something to be proud of? That's a great legacy right there. In 5 or 10 years people can say, "What is Lobo most remembered for?" And you can answer, "He's taken some of the sickest bumps in wrestling." The Dynamite Kid took some sick bumps in his career and what did it get him? He is spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair. What did sick bumps do for Mick Foley? It ended his career at 34 years old and left him with injuries he will never heal from. Just because you can take numerous chair shots and crash through tables and go through fire and glass doesn't mean you are a great wrestler. The last time I checked, it was still called WRESTLING, and stuff like that has nothing to do with this sport. Funny how you call Lou Thesz one of the greatest wrestlers ever, then praise another man because he can destroy his body.
Wifebeater's gimmick is orginal? I can watch an episode of Cops too and come up with something like that.
Ah yes, CZW drew 1500 to COD 3. But I guess you forget how much of a misorganized clusterf*ck that show was. CZW advertises ICP for the show, even though they themsleves said weeks earlier they would not be there. Security has no clue what they're doing. The show dragged on for 5 hours and the main event doesn't "live up to the expectations of previous COD matches." And finally, the big angle at the end with former ECW workers that some how was completely forgotten at the next show. Is it any wonder why attendance at those shows has dropped to half of what it was at COD 3? What about the show were the fans were chanting "refund"? Or the infamous "give Jerry Lynn the belt, announce him as champ, and then turn the whole thing around and say it was non-title" fiasco?
Zandig couldn't wrestle his d*ck out of his pants to pee and you think he should put himself over because he can bump? Well if that's the case, Donnie sign me up right away because I can bump and put my body on the line too.
Our top tag team is The Power Company? They appeared on 1 show. In case you haven't checked out the rest of this site, the top team in PCW (and in my opinion the entire country) is Evolution. And maybe you've never heard of them before because they never competed in a "barbed wire, fire, glass, oh me oh my they wet their pants" match, but The Ballard Brothers are also 1 of the best teams around.
Tom Marquez is an ECW reject? I would love to see you say that to his face. Just a week or so ago you said he was one of the best wrestlers in PCW. Must be nice having an attention span as short as yours.
As far as I've seen from Ruckus, he is nothing more then a high spot artist. Every match is high spot, high spot, wrestle, high spot, high spot.
Again you put your foot in your mouth because you say PCW has wrestlers no one wants to see. Funny how so many people turn out at the Recreation Station each month to see the shows.
Concerning PCW "signing washed up wrestlers in an attempt to draw fans" I wouldn't exactly classify Steve Corino, Eddy Guerrero, and Gangrel as washed up. I forgot, CZW never attempted to sign anyone to draw more fans. That's why they got Jerry Lynn (who PCW booked first mind you) and The Messiah the moment they became available.
The true talent is in PCW. Don't try to dispute it because you won't win.
MOTHER****ER, I WILL SUM EVERYTHING UP FOR YOU PLAIN AND SIMPLE, WHO'S MATCH WAS BROADCAST IN THE MAIN EVENT OF A PAY PER VIEW THIS PAST SUNDAY NIGHT? ZANDIG'S. TRENT'S ALREADY BEEN ON PPV WITH NICK GAGE AT RINGSIDE, AND JUSTICE,JUN KASAI, LOBO,AND WIFEBEATER ALL WERE RINGSIDE FOR ZANDIG ON THAT PPV SUNDAY NIGHT. NOW ASIDE FROM JULIO DINERO AND NOVA AND GUYS LIKE THAT WHO ECW PUT ON PPV, WHO THE HELL IN YOUR ORGANIZATION COULD MAKE IT TO PPV JUST BASICALLY WRESTLING IN PCW? NO ONE. THESE GUYS WERE ON A PPV THAT AIRED ALL OVER, EVERYONE KNOWS WHO CZW IS, AND YES SAY WHAT U WANT ABOUT THE COD 3 SHOW BUT THEY DID INDEED DRAW 1500 PEOPLE, SOMETHIN U LOSERS COULD NEVER EVEN DRAW HALF OF. PEOPLE DROVE ALL THE WAY FROM OTHER STATES AND TOOK THE NYC BUS TRIP TO COD 3, I DONT THINK 1500 PEOPLE PACKED THE PLACE TO SEE ICP, THEY PACKED THE PLACE TO SEE GUYS THAT U LOSERS CAN'T GET YOUR HANDS ON ANYMORE, BACKSEATS,BERK,SAT, AND SOME OTHER GUYS U LOSERS WOULD NEVER EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO GET BOOKED ON YOUR SHOW LIKE WINGER. YEA SURE THE WHOLE ECW THING WASNT A GREAT ANGLE BUT THATS NOT WHAT WE R TALKIN ABOUT, WE R TALKIN ABOUT ATTENDACE NUMBERS AND COMPARED TO COD 3 NOT ONE PCW SHOW EVEN COMES HALF WAY CLOSE TO THAT ATTENDANCE DRAWING, U SAY RUCKUS AINT ALL THAT GREAT? U GOT TO BE KIDDING, U WON'T EVEN FACE FACTS A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE ANYONE CREDIT, RUCKUS IS 10 TIMES BETTER THAN ANY GUY YOU LOSERS USE IN YOUR BROKE ASS FED,CZW USED THE BALLARD BROTHERS THEY SUCKED SO THEY WERE OUT THE DOOR, ALL U DID WAS PICK UP THEIR LEFTOVERS,U SAY EVOLUTION IS YOUR TOP TEAM? WELL NOVA IS GONE SO IT LOOKS AS IF YOUR TOP TEAM IS GONE FOR GOOD, U SAY ANYBODY CAN MAKE UP A GIMMICK LIKE WIFEBEATER? HERE IS THE THING, THERE R NO MUSIC TALENTS WALKIN AROUND CALLED WIFEBEATER, SO ITS WAY MORE ORIGINAL THAN ANY GIMMICK U *******S GOT. I DUNNO WHAT U CONSIDER TO BE WRESTLING. MAYBE U WANNA BE LIKE WWF NOW WITH ALL THE SKITS AND THE MORONIC SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, INDY WRESTLING SHOULD BE WRESTLING, I LOVE WRESTLING, AND I LIKE A LIL BIT OF HARDCORE TOO MUCH LIKE EVERYONE, THATS WHAT WE WANNA SEE AND CZW HAS IT ALL, ALL U LOSERS GOT IT IS GUYS STEALIN THEIR NAMES FROM METAL BANDS WALKIN AROUND TALKIN GAY ON THE MIC, PCW IS A LAUGHINGSTOCK, ZANDIG WAS ON PPV AND DONNIE B. IS STILL TRYIN TO PROMOTE HIS SHOW USING BIG SLAM CUZ HE CAN SELL 5 TICKETS FOR HIM, U R PATHETIC
And yet again you show your ignorance. Nova, Steve Corino, The Wall, Tom Marquez, Chris Daniels, Jerry Lynn, and Chris Hamrick have all appeared on PPV long before Johnny boy's match was on this past weekend.
How did a short little tribute post to one of the greats in the history of professional wrestling, Lou Thesz, turn into such a war?? Oh that's right - itsdamafasio posted... He ALWAYS seems to cause tempers to flare...
I could add to this little war here seeing as itsdamafasio attempted to befriend me at one point - before any of this went on and before he turned on PCW - but I shall refrain..... I don't see any point in getting in the middle of these arguements because it is evident who the moron is so there is no need to prove it! Before he got all crazy, I thought he actually knew something about wrestling, but now I see that all he knows about is CZW... Ever notice that his defense always circles around them? Either way, everyone has their own opinion on what is good and what isn't. I just don't understand why those who dislike a particular product or fed feel the need to continually bash them on their own forum... You don't like em, don't pay any attention to em! Stick to what you DO like... Perhaps they think that posts as such will cause said fed to "open their eyes" and "change their product", but have you ever heard the saying "you catch more flys with honey" (or however it goes)? Constructive critism is fine and surely welcome to any promoter or worker, but all-out bashing goes in one ear and out the other.... Noone takes it seriously, and noone will ever take itsdamafasio's suggestions seriously because of the way he portrays them...
Scott - you know your stuff! Always a pleasure to read a post from someone with a valid, unbiased, SMART opinion or thought...
Until our paths cross again in this world of wicked yet decorous light, this has been the inculpable femme fatale:
Thank you Evil You know, I don't come here, or any other message board looking for trouble. The purpose of these boards is so that we fans can talk about our favorite promotion, not to start stupid little flame wars. This seems to happen everywhere however. There's always someone who thinks they are "playing heel" by coming on a promotion's board and posting crap under a fake ID.
When I come on this board and see these idiots calling the women wh*res and saying this one is gay and that one is <insert racist comment here>, it pisses me off. They come here and bash PCW and that's fine because their arguments are never valid and their statements are always the same. But when they bash someone because of their race, sexual preference or anything else that's going over the line. Calling me gay is one thing because I'm not. But what if someone who is comes here and sees that? What would their opinion of PCW be then? Same thing goes for the racist comments and the shots fired at women. They would think that all PCW fans think the way these goons do and thus, PCW would lose fans for it.
I just think it's utterly stupid for them to come here and knock the PCW product. I don't like certain promotions but I don't go onto their boards and say "You guys suck blah blah blah." I certainly don't see Donnie or Cannon coming here and seeing these posts and saying, "We need to make PCW more violent because it's what they want." The funny thing is, other then these morons, I have never heard anyone speak badly about PCW and it's product. I guess it just goes to show how "smart" they are.
I know I probably should leave them alone and let them post away until they tire of it, like a child would a toy. But when it comes to PCW, I will do all I can to defend it against "The Haters" and their narrow minded, long winded tirades.
YEA SCOTT U R RIGHT, ALL OF THEM GUYS DID MAKE IT TO PPV......WHEN THEY WERE IN REAL COMPANYS, PCW HAD NOTHIN 2 DO WITH IT,U SAY CZW USES NAMES TO DRAW, WELL MESSIAH IS GREAT HE CAN WORK BUT I DOUBT HIS NAME DREW MANY PEOPLE,IT WAS HIS WRESTLING PEOPLE SAW AT RECENT SHOWS THAT DREW FANS,AND JERRY LYNN vs JUSTICE PAIN WAS GREAT, JERRY LYNN vs NOVA SUCKED SO THAT SHOWS RIGHT THERE PCW IS GARBAGE UNLIKE PCW WHO THROWS ANY NAME ON THEIR SHOWS AND EMPTIES THEIR WALLETS ON HAS BEENS JUST TO DRAW 5 FANS AND LOSE MONEY, U DONT SEE ZANDIG ON HIS BOARD ARGUIN, HOWEVER U SEE DONNIE ON HERE ALL TIME TRYIN 2 PROVE HE DREW MORE FANS THAN WE SAY. CZW PLAINLY DREW THEIR 1500 AND LETS IT SPEAK FOR ITSELF
See, this is your problem right here. You constantly focus on 2 things, the PCW Pine Hill show and the CZW COD 3 show. It's been explained I don't know how many times here before about the Pine Hill show, so there's no need to go into it again. The COD 3 show did draw 1500 and that's a fact. However, the next show after that drew 700-800 fans, which has been the same or less since then. So what does that say when attendance drops by 50%? And what does it say when your hardcore fans chant "Refund" at the end of an event? I've never heard that at a PCW show. You seem to want to hang on to the one good memory, and forget the rest in this case.
Lynn vs. Nova sucked? I watched that match on TV and I enjoyed it. True, it may not have lived up to expectations but it was still a good match. I'm not making excuses for anyone but Nova wrestled in NY that night, and then drove all the way to Pine Hill to be at the PCW show. Can you blame him if he had an off night? That type of thing happens in wrestling.
Where has PCW lost money? They draw consistently good crowds in Toms River and they own their own equipment and such. I have yet to hear of anyone in the PCW locker room complaining about the conditions of the organization, or their not being payed on time. Again you base all your assumptions on just one show.
You said : "YEA SCOTT U R RIGHT, ALL OF THEM GUYS DID MAKE IT TO PPV......WHEN THEY WERE IN REAL COMPANYS"
So does that mean Big Japan is not a "real company?" I watched that PPV last night again, and the only matches that stuck out to me were the women's bout and the Michinoku Pro match.
Eddie Guerrero is any name? Steve Corino is any name? Jerry Lynn is any name? PCW doesn't "just throw any name" onto their shows. Would CZW have booked Jerry Lynn on their shows had PCW not done it first? Maybe they would have. I just find it funny that they booked him right after PCW announced it.
And where do you see Donnie on this board arguing? When Donnie does post, it is for good reason. He doesn't come here to argue with anyone.
It's been said before, and I will say it again. If you don't like PCW that's fine. But it just makes you look foolish to continuously come here and dredge up the same old subjects time and time again.
Hey, Lou Thesz died. What a bummer. I had to scroll through all that crap to post this message. Lou Thesz deserves a full out video tribute on RAW or Smackdown and If the WWF doesnt do it, its a travesty. Hell they say his friggin name on every show when Austin Does the LT Press, shouldnt they credit the tough SOB who its named after? Anyway, RIP Lou Thesz and Tonight I will randomly select one person I work with and Give him the Lou Thesz Press for general purpose. Also, I will be glad to randomly Lou Thesz Press anyone at the SHow on May 17th. Just give me a reason:)
Scott, you rule, Innocence-good call. BTW, Marquez was also on RAW in March don't forget.
I too was saddened by the death of the wrestling legend. Also I saw The History Of Pro Wrestling on the History Channel the night before I learned about it. I'll bet he's up there body slamin' other legends right now. Now that I have paid my tributes It's time for some Hater bashing. damafi, I take it your from the Pine Hill area, because it shows in your typing(sorry to any Pine Hill fan who likes PCW, but this guy is giving you a bad name). As Scott said you only focus on one show. I've been to a few PCW shows and was worth every dollar I spent. You can't judge a promotion on just one show. If the WWF were judged by one show, they'd have out of business years ago. Now I'm sure you can take this to your fifth grade teacher to help you read it, but if you try hard enough, then one day you can join the big bys who talk about wrestling.
Man here we go again. Im so sick of this war. Look I enjoy Czw but thats the last thing ill say about them. What I wanna know is how you can call yourself the best,when in no way do you compare to ROH. Yes you heard me right the great company ran by RF. I mean wow i guess id rather see Donnie Bon Jovi and Slayer than watch Low Ki and American Dragon. But I guess booking used up neverbeens like the Wall and the Power Company make you think your the best, good for you. I mean i guess NWA Jersy and Larry Sharpe need a little competition for last place anyway. SO have fun watching Silvermane and Kuhl while im watching Xavier and Guido. PCW vs ROH = ROH in a squash.
I REMEMBER STANDIN OUTSIDE OF THAT FALSE ADVERTISED PCW SHOW IN PINE HILL, REMEMBERIN THE CARD LINEUP THAT I READ ON THE INTERNET, SAYIN THE BACKSEAT BOYS, NICK BERK,AND SAT WERE ALL ON THE SHOW. I ALSO REMEMBER A GUY ON THIS BOARD TELLIN EVERYONE THE BACKSEATS WON'T BE THERE, AND I ALSO REMEMBER CANNON OR ONE OF THESE OTHER PCW IDIOTS ON THIS BOARD SAY THEY WOULD BE THERE. THEN OUTSIDE THE SHOW WE GOT THERE WAY EARLY FOR THE MEET AND GREAT WHICH ALSO NEVER HAPPENED, I ASKED A SECURITY GUY IF THESE GUYS WOULD BE THERE AND HE SAID YES THEY ARE ALL GONNA BE HERE, AND HOW GREAT THE NICKY BENZ GIMMICK WAS AND HOW GREAT SAT IS AND PCW HAS ALL THE STARS AND ARE THE GREATEST FED, GEE AFTER THAT SHOW I THOUGHT TO MYSELF IS THIS GUY OUT OF HIS MIND? WHAT A DISGRACE
Does it ever end? Now there's a war with ROH fans? If you guys have nothing better to do then come here and play games I have a few suggestions:
Take a walk : Studies have shown that walking on a daily basis is a good source of cardio excercise.
Read a book : Books are those squarish/rectangular things with pages filled with words, and in some cases pictures. Some recommended works would be Stephen King's "IT", Charles Dickens' "A Tale of Two Cities", or "See Spot Run."
Call a friend : Maybe there was someone from your past that you were extremely close with and you've lost touch with them. Just pick up that phone and call them. Try 10-10-220 if you are worried about the high rates of long distance calling.
Learn to play an instrument : Guitar, violin, piano, there are countless instruments out there just waiting to be picked up and played. You can channel all this negative energy you harbor inside and let it flow out through your music.
There are many more things you can do in this great big world. Don't spend all your time online coming to message boards and playing "heel."
Now as far as this post goes, it is again laughable. I don't understand this. You guys praise ROH and the PWF and promotions such as that, yet you bash PCW? Don't get me wrong, I like ROH and the PWF myself. PCW puts on just as good a show as those guys do. If you "Haters" watch more then the Pine Hill show you'd know that. Where is anyone on this board comparing PCW to ROH? They run at least an hour to an hour and a half away from each other. They never run the same dates and they are in no way in direct competition with each other.
ROH bases itself on a Japanese style of wrestling and that's fine. A lot of what I've seen ROH do has been done in the early 90's by All Japan. Low Ki, American Dragon, Spanky, they are all great young talents with a bright future. Get your hands on some Memphis Championship Wrestling tapes with Spanky and Dragon on them to see what they were like when they were first starting out.
PCW on the other hand has more of the old school feel to it. They combine the best elements of mat wrestling with great aerial maneuvers and hardcore thrown in as well. Let me ask you, have you ever seen the Evolution vs. Red and Ric Blade match? If not I suggest you buy the tape and watch it closely. They also had a little match between Eddie Guerrero and Nova that I suggest you pick up and view.
My point? ROH, CZW, and PCW are 3 very different companies. All 3 differ in style. ROH has more of the Strong Style puroresu flavor. CZW relies on the hardcore and "ultraviolence." PCW combines the best of the old school with the best of the new school.
So before you come here and piss and moan about things I suggest you check out more then 1 or 2 PCW shows. You'll be surprised at what you see.
We have a great working relationship with Rob Feinstein and ROH. I think what Rob , Gabe and the rest of the ROH crew have been doing great in doing their part in bringing WRESTLING back to Philly. they do their own thing, and PCW welcomes promotions that do good for the business.
In fact for the first ROH show, we split costs on bringing in Christopher Daniels ( a PCW regular) and Eddy Guererro.
That was a great weekend for local wrestling fans because they got to see PCW on the friday ( with Nova vs Eddy), ROH's debut on the Saturday, and PWF on the sunday ( as well as the WWA PPV that featured NOVA, Daniels, and Eddy from all of which performed at the PCW show on that friday).
contrairy to popular belief, MOST wrestling promotions don't have fueds going with each other.
In fact, Donnie B. and myself help out other promoters whenever we can. We have good working relationships with PWF, ROH, SSCW, LAW, UWC, 3PW, MLW, ECWA, ECWA Pittsburgh, NWA Wildside, USA Pro, IWC, among others.
The only companies we have had issues with are those that either Hurt the business by either doing the hardcore crap to the point that State laws went into effect because of their actions ( that effect all promotions),
or the promotions screwed an area over so bad that it took years for wrestling to be welcomed back into the area, and once that area got built back up by PCW, those promotions came sniffing around once we started being successful there.
when you narrow it down, PCW has only had issues with CZW, JAPW , and NWA NJ.
CZW, hell they seem to have issues with alot of people these days, JAPW, PCW, even ROH with what happened recently with the Briscoe Bros.
Well, besides contributing to the blood laws in NJ ( which he has pretty much abandoned for Philly, pretty nice, do the "crime" here, and then leave everyone else holding the bag in NJ), the owner of CZW messes with talent by trying to muscle talent into not honoring bookings they took outside of CZW ( and in the past he held Japan over their heads, but since that fell thru, he doesnt have as many barganing chips).
While CZW has done some sucessful things, and has some great talent on their roster, CZW is already resorting to the Light tubes, and the Tacks to pop the crowds after the "Refund" show....lets see how long until that wears out its welcome in Pa.
JAPW, truthfully, except for the Blood law stuff that JAPW actually called attention to more than CZW, PCW's only issues with JAP stem from the fact that Frank tends to spout off too much about his greatness, and starts stuff on the internet with people.
If he handled things differently regarding their summer shows, no one would have had heat, and i have discussed that with him, and he agreed. But in Frank fashion, he "shot" first, and may be made to eat his words as he did in the past...only time will tell.
NWA NJ, well besides some really stupid statements made by some of the owners, the only direct issue that PCW has had was that we run in the same building occasionally, and the fact that alot of potential locations that we have looked at have said they wont have wrestling there after NWA Nj ran there...even years later....
So for the record, there is no heat between ROH and PCW, we happen to be out to do the same thing, put on the best shows with the best available talent, and send fans home happy.
Just because YOU happen to like one more than the other, doesn' mean that someone else doesn't feel differently.
Why exactly does Lou Thesz deserve a Raw or Smackdown video package? He hasn't contributed to the current WWF product in any way, and has been one of it's biggest detractors in recent years. Lou Thesz was a wrestler, not a sports entertainer, I would think he would take that as an insult.
hey scott, u never once heard people call out refund at a ocw show?!!?!? obviously u didnt hear us at pine hill, and the 5 guys behind us, or the 7 on the bleachers all screaming refund after the horrible end to nova jerry lynn, when talent no shows and you have a sub par show going on you dont end your main event because of a time limit!!
I guess no one read what this message was for. I'm saddened to know that. I heard about Lou's death and I will be honest, I didn't know who he was. But Eric told me and I was saddened to know of this good persons passing. Hopefully those that post under this message will remember it was a "tribute" and "in honor" to a great wrestler.
LISTEN MOTHER****ER SCOTT SAYS OH THIS AND THAT ABOUT RED AND RIC BLADE vs EVOLUTION, I SAY RED MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF IN UCW(NOW ICW), BLADE MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF IN CZW, NOVA MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF IN ECW, AND I DUNNO NOTHIN ABOUT KAZARIAN OTHER THAN HE MADE A NAME FOR HIMSELF ELSEWHERE PROLLY UPW. HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE PCW SO GOOD? U LOSERS BRING IN ALREADY ESTABLISHED TALENT AND SAY OH LOOK AT OUR GREAT MATCHES. JUSTICE PAIN, NICK GAGE,RIC BLADE, AND OTHERS WERE MADE IN CZW AND NO MATTER WHO USES THEM IN THE FUTURE EVERYONE WILL REMEMBER THAT. 2 KIDS WHO JUST MADE THEIR DEBUT LAST FALL CHRIS CA$H AND GQ HAVE HAD BETTER MATCHES WITH EACH OTHER THAN PCW COULD EVER PRODUCE, I MEAN CAN WE REALLY EVEN SAY THERE ARE ANY GUYS IN PCW WHO CARE ABOUT THE COMPANY ENOUGH TO BE LOYAL LIKE CZW GUYS ARE TO THEIR PROMOTION? U SAY THIS AND THAT ABOUT LIGHTBULBS BUT IF U MORONS TOOK A LOOK AT THE BEST OF THE BEST TOURNY CZW HAD LAST YEAR U WOULD EAT YOUR WORDS, IT WAS PURE WRESTLING, SOMETHIN PCW CLAMS THEY DELIVER BUT IN THE END WE GET STAD INS LIKE GILLBERG, IF I WANNA SEE WWF JOBBERS WORK ILL GO TO A NWA JERSEY SHOW
Jeanette, I hope this previous post by Damafi answers your question. This post was put here as a tribute to Thesz. Damafi however decided to come here the other night and call Evil all kinds of names, which left Cannon no choice but to delete it. Damafi has taken it upon himself to inform us all that we were "not worthy enough" to post about Thesz here. Apparently, delusional thought is in season already this year.
Damafi, it's obvious you "hate" PCW. Of course you'd never know it seeing as how you spend practically all your time here. You do realize what you are doing though correct? You are giving both CZW and it's fans a bad name. Someone who may have never seen their product before comes here and sees you posting drivel like this in a discussion that originally started as a tribute to the man many consider the best wrestler ever. Do you think he's going to say, "Man screw PCW, I'm going to check out CZW?" No. He's going to get the same impression about you that we all have here. At least if you wanted to continue your "Hater bashing" you could have done it in a seperate thread. Instead you decided to disrespect not only Thesz' memory, but Evil's character as well. That's a great way for you to get fans off the PCW product and into CZW.
There are promotions out there that I don't like. But I don't go onto their boards and spew garbage about them. I ignore them all together and stick to the promotions I do like. Why? Because what good is my constant bitching and whining going to do? You think any promoter is going to change his whole booking philosophy based on 1 person's opinion? Absolutely not. PCW listens to it's fans, and the "Haters" too. But I don't see Donnie changing the style of this organization or stocking it with "name" talent just because a handful of people are against the homegrown talent.
There was a post a few months ago on the IWA Mid South board that was similar to your constant arguments. In that post a fan said he was angry at the IWA for advertising Road Dogg and Sabu, and then not having either one of them show up. In response, several fans said that "name" talent isn't always needed, and if you can't get used to the regular roster then get lost. The IWA themselves then said they would no longer book "name" talent as much anymore. And since then, a lot of the IWA talent has had some of the best matches on the indy scene today. And you know what? Chris Hero, CM Punk, Ace Steel, and all those guys involved in said matches established themselves outside of the IWA. So you can sit there and say PCW talent didn't establish themselves here and that "name" talent is what we need (and again you bring up Gillberg who has appeared on only 1 show), but the true fans of PCW know otherwise.
Your quote: "2 KIDS WHO JUST MADE THEIR DEBUT LAST FALL CHRIS CA$H AND GQ HAVE HAD BETTER MATCHES WITH EACH OTHER THAN PCW COULD EVER PRODUCE"
You're kidding right? I don't even need to go into how many ways that statement is wrong.
Another quote: "I MEAN CAN WE REALLY EVEN SAY THERE ARE ANY GUYS IN PCW WHO CARE ABOUT THE COMPANY ENOUGH TO BE LOYAL LIKE CZW GUYS ARE TO THEIR PROMOTION?"
Loyal? Zandig says, "Work for anyone else and you're gone." and that's being loyal? No that's being threatened. It's like having a mugger hold a gun to your head and say "Give me your wallet." Now what would you do in that situation? Give him the wallet or have him kill you in cold blood? What you fail to realize is that some of these guys have families to feed and depend on each and every booking. It's greedy and selfish of anyone to make a wrestler on the indy scene pick and choose what promotion he can and cannot work for.
Your arguments have more holes in them then a pair of moth eaten granny panties. You just continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself by posting here (under different names I might add) because you're not changing anyone's perception of PCW.
They need to stop using names and not use homegrown talent? Interesting. While I am a big fan of the regular PCW roster, a name or two never hurts in drawing, especially when it's names people still care about(Lynn, Nova - even though Nova IS regular PCW roster).
Back to the initial topic of this post, I'm sitting here watching Heat, and the WWF (or should I say WWE) acknowledged the great Lou Thesz with a short tribute video and a few words.... I recall people whining that the WWF hadn't mentioned his passing on neither Raw nor Smackdown (don't remember if it was this forum that I read complaints on or not) but now they have....
As for the rest of all that has been said in this thread - I'm over it. I was unaware that I had been posted about in a negative manner, and I'm certainly glad that Cannon and the rest of PCW had the class to remove such words. As I've told Scott, it's hard being a female wrestling fan sometimes.... Noone seems to take me seriously. I get the "rat" comments constantly and the heat that I "don't know anything" when the truth is that I just may know more than he who states such words. I constantly feel as if I'm needing to prove myself to morons who must resort to accusations to feel good about themselves... Few people on this forum know who I actually am, and just as few know the extent of my knowledge of the business...
Anyways, I refuse to comment any further on the entire situation. Those who matter most are those who understand and take time to know the REAL me - not those who must compile rumors and blatent lies because their lives are incomplete....
Until our paths cross again in this world of wicked yet decorous light, this has been the inculpable femme fatale: