1) Make us laugh. Or die trying.
2) Don't be surprised if you find yourself verbally pistol-whipped. It's all in the spirit of fun.
3) We want a helicopter...because hostage takers always ask for one in the movies, right? We don't ride no stinkin' buses. If you don't have a helicopter, make rotor noises by thumping on your chest while you linger, at least.
4) Don't be surprised if a cheese monkey mistakes you for a mate while you make rotor noises. Feed the cheese monkey at your own peril.
5) We're out of cheese. Bring cheese.
6) Papi's rule: Refrain from using the word "pussy" during negotiations, or risk the wrath of a scrawny Texan.
7) Take the feuding and flaming elsewhere. We're kinder, gentler hostage takers.
8) We want lots of bubble wrap. Stand-offs can be a bitch.
9) Run your cat through the shredder before entering. There's nothing like the sound of a screeching cat to break the tension.
10) Tell the SWAT team to keep their distance. But you're welcome to join in if you're new here. Don't be shy!
She was found guilty, right? Damn right she is. Oh, but she was severely depressed! Ok, then seek some help. Or kill yourself. Leave the kids alone. She deserves a death sentence.
How about the woman in Texas who hit the guy with her car and drove him (stuck through the windshield) back to her house where he died two days later in her garage. He would have lived if she brought him to the hospital. But no..she was on ecstacy and alcohol when it happened. Imagine the poor guy begging for mercy each time she went in to apologize. And she ignorded his cries for help. She deserves a slow, painful death.
What is it with Texas women? Where's Lanza? Or do we really want her around here?
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March 15 2002, 9:15 PM
Well she had sought help, and they were giving her the good old prozac, just like they were giving the kids in Colorado that shot the whole damn school up.
I don't know, somehow I get the feeling that it is NOT a good idea to give a mind altering drug to a lunatic.
I had not heard about the guy in the windshield!! Oh my God I can't even believe that one!!
There you go again....mind altering drugs!!
It's a scary world!!
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FORT WORTH, Texas — When Gregory Glenn Biggs' body was found in October in Fort Worth's Cobb Park, evidence pointed to a hit-and-run accident.
But in the past two weeks, police have learned that Biggs, 37, lived for two or three days after he was hit, lying on a car hood in a garage in Fort Worth, Texas, his body trapped in the windshield.
Despite Biggs' pleas, police said, the driver refused to help and left him to die. Afterward, his body was dumped in the park.
"I'm going to have to come up with a new word. Indifferent isn't enough. Cruel isn't enough to say. Heartless? Inhumane? Maybe we've just redefined inhumanity here," said Richard Alpert, an assistant district attorney for Tarrant County, where Fort Worth is situated.
What happened to Biggs, police said, was not a simple case of a driver's failure to stop to help an injured man. It was homicide, they said.
"If he had gotten medical attention, he probably would have survived," traffic investigation Sgt. John Fahrenthold said.
This week, police arrested Chante Mallard, a 25-year-old nurse's aide, basing their case primarily on her confession. Mike Heiskell, Mallard's attorney, called the woman's arrest on a murder warrant premature.
"I think this is overreaching on the part of the prosecution and the police, and, in the end, I believe the law will shake out that this was simply a case of failure to stop and render aid," Heiskell said.
By Mallard's account, as told to police, she had been drinking and using Ecstasy that October night and was driving home when she struck a man. The impact hurled him headfirst through the windshield, his broken legs protruding onto the hood.
She panicked, she said, and with the man lodged in the windshield, she drove a few miles to her home. There, she parked her 1997 Chevrolet Cavalier in the garage and lowered the door. Biggs pleaded for help, she told police.
He got none. He remained lodged for the next two or three days, bleeding and slowly going into shock, police said.
Mallard told police she periodically went into the garage to check on the man. She said she apologized profusely to him for what she had done but ignored his cries for help.
When the man died, several of the woman's acquaintances helped remove his body, putting it into the trunk of another car and driving to Cobb Park, where they dumped it, police quoted the woman as saying. Two men found the body Oct. 27.
"This goes so far beyond failure to stop and render aid because she did more than not render aid," Alpert said. "She made it impossible for anyone else to do so."
Mallard first surfaced in the investigation last month when police received a tip that she might have been involved in a hit-and-run accident, Fahrenthold said. Mallard had recently told a friend "bits and pieces" about an accident when questioned at a party about why she was no longer driving her car, Fahrenthold said.
"Within the next day or so this girl came forward and told what had happened because she couldn't live with that," he said.
On Feb. 26, police obtained a search warrant for Mallard's house. Inside her garage, they found the damaged Cavalier. Blood, hair and other trace evidence were visible inside and outside the car, he said.
The car's seats had been removed and were found in the back yard, Fahrenthold said. One of them was burned.
Mallard agreed to go to the police station for questioning. There, she gave a statement and was arrested for failure to stop and render aid.
She was free on bail when officers arrived at her home Wednesday morning and arrested her on the upgraded warrant charging her with murder. Later in the day, she was released on a $10,000 writ bond.
The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office has told police that Biggs suffered no internal injuries and apparently died from loss of blood and shock, Fahrenthold said.
The investigation is continuing and other arrests are expected, he said.
"We think there are other people involved... in taking the body and putting it in the park," he said.
Biggs' mother, Meredith Biggs, said she and her son had been estranged for several years. Medical examiner's records listed Gregory Biggs' address as a homeless shelter in Fort Worth.
Meredith Biggs said she and her daughter, Janeen, had recently begun looking for him. They were frightened when a search on an ancestry Web site a couple of months ago indicated that he had died. They prayed it was a hoax.
Wednesday, she learned it was not, and was told the details about her son's death.
"How could she just leave him like that to die?" she sobbed. "Drugs and alcohol wear off, so why didn't she get him some help?
"I should have prayed more."
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I don't know how anyone can kill a child. But when you
have five kids, I can see wanting to do it. heh
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March 16 2002, 7:46 PM
I don't know anyone in their right mind who could kill a child. This is why I question if she is/was in her right mind. No one in their right mind would do that. and then call the police, and say I killed my kids either.
The story about the guy in the windshield is unreal. I have to agree with the guy's mother, drugs and alcohol wear off....why on earth did she leave him like that until he died??
What a bizzare place this planet earth is!!
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I doubt Prozac played a factor. Some people think only of themselves. How many excuses does she have? Severe depression. She had a dominating husband. Boo hoo. Leave him. I really doubt she was crazy. Just tired of her life. I can't say for sure though.
The woman in Texas was a nurse's aide. You'd expect more compassion from someone like that. But again, it was all about her.
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March 17 2002, 7:10 PM
I don't know about the Yates woman either. If I were that tired of my life I think I would opt for suicide.
I would think if prison doesn't depress a person nothing will!
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March 17 2002, 8:03 PM
She's only getting what she deserves. I don't imagine she'll get an open welcome from the inmates. And she'll have to live with the memory of what she's done.
How about Jayson William? He's the broadcaster and former NBA driver who shot his limo driver. He tried to make it look like a suicide. Coward. Instead of simple manslaughter charges and 5 to 10 years, he can be in much deeper doo doo now. I say lock him up for 30.
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Re: Hot debate topic II
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March 19 2002, 4:22 PM
I'm with you.....lock 'em all up!
Hey if they do lock them all up....they might release us.......ya think??
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No way. People are crazy out there. It's safer being locked up.
A father in B.C. burnt down a house with his six kids in it this week. A father in Southern Ontario killed his two year old daughter, but spared his four year old, swell guy that he is. A fifteen year old girl gave birth and immediately killed the kid. That's just recent ones. There's no shortage of nutty people out there.
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March 20 2002, 8:47 PM
Sheesh! Thank God we are being held hostage!
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This woman
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March 29 2002, 10:00 AM
had emotional problems. Her husband WAS TOLD not to procreate anymore and not to allow her alone time with the children. Her husband was also told to get her help, etc...but he ignored it. Yes she is guilty but in my opinion, this asshole, bent on having a "basketball team" needs to be in jail beside her.
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Don't we all have emotional problems though? She was deemed fit to stand trial. If women are mistreated or abused, they can always just leave. Sure, it may be hard and scary as hell, but there are people who will help. The husband might have been a major league asshole, but as far as I know, he committed no crime. There's simply no excuse for killing your kids, no matter how tough your life is.
The world is full of assholes. We can't lock them all up even though they have no respect for others.
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Husband
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March 30 2002, 9:58 AM
Did I once say that she did not deserve what she is getting? No.
Did I say he deserves the same? YES. HE WAS TOLD to STOP HAVING CHILDREN WITH HER. HE WAS TOLD TO GET HER HELP. SHE was NOT in control of her emotions at the time of what she did....yes she is wrong but he is AS GUILTY if not more.
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Well, I say he doesn't deserve the same and so does YOUR LEGAL SYSTEM. It takes TWO PEOPLE to have a baby. If she didn't want another baby, she shouldn't have had one. They talked about her getting more therapy, but she wasn't in any hurry to get any more help. Even if he was told he shouldn't have another baby, it's not a crime to disregard that advice. You're going to start locking up relatives of criminals now because they had lousy relationships? Where does it end?
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March 30 2002, 9:28 PM
I would think it would end with Lyle Lovett!!
(still laughing from the other thread!! ha!)
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"Just don't have one?"
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April 4 2002, 8:19 AM
If your husband is controlling, makes you get pregnant after being told NOT TO, does not allow abortion, makes you HOMESCHOOL your children, and wants a basketball team, and you're a looney anyway...you might deserve jail but I can't see how he can get away with what happnened without some retribution.
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Maybe so, but what exact crime did he commit? Who exactly told him not to have children? I never heard that part of the story. Their doctor? Her psychiatrist? Many women suffer post partum depression. Most don't kill their children. She had a mind of her own. She could have stood her ground if she didn't want to be a housewife or have more kids. Unless he posed a threat to her physically or purposely abused her mentally, I don't think he belongs in jail.
I don't know the whole story. No one probably does. The guy apparently really loved his kids though. Losing them is his punishment.
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