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    • Kenneth Sublett
      Posted Nov 25, 2002 3:20 PM

      The church made its greatest spiritual growth when the notion of an evangelist was to go out preaching the Word and recommending (not ordaining) men who were already laboring to the point of exhaustion in preaching and teaching (Lenski) as pastor- teachers.

      Church would then consist of family or groups of families in a given area. You know: like yeast which doesn't get anything done if it is left in a ball collecting fuzz.

      Paul defined the fact of 'gathering 'or 'assemblying' wth a form of the word "synagogue." In the TEACHING passages having hatched out as MUSICAL SINGING commands, Paul still spoke of a school of the Bible where we glorify God by speaking "that which is written" to one another. This has the promise of Christ's presence when "two or three" are gathered in His name. Just don't know but doubt that He has much interest in two or three thousand gathered in a latter day TEMPLE patterned after the Monarchy and temple after Israel's elders FIRED God.

      We have approved examples of people meeting in buildings so it isn't a sin. The "school of Tyranus"(the tyrant) was not a SCHOOLHOUSE but a community building for general meetings. So, we have Paul abandoning a building dedicated to RELIGION and approving a COMMUNITY building which doesn't need STAFF when the meeting is over and the people go back to work and the evangelist goes back to work.

      Maybe the massive building dedicated to being theater of worship for two or three hours a week speaks more of SECTARIAN and flabby uselessness than NOT playing instruments for kids who can steal and listen to CDs all week.

      Catholics began the SANCTUARY craze in the pagan belief that buildings were "tools of evangelism." Quite insane since evangelists have GO in their tank or they are not evangelists.

      I don't need a gym and the gymnasium along with the modern form of replacing TEACHING with SINGING as in "music" has almost universal connotations of perverted paganism.

      Buildings don't carry a stigmata and I appreciate the fact that God didn't have to command me to get in out of the rain and snow. However, unlike many groups, churches of Christ don't build utilitarian meeting halls but as close to THEATERS FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT as they can get with the FOCUS on the stage. Somewhere in the architecture is the Asherah poles as steeples or non functional columns.

      Both the mega-church and the turn to MUSICAL sin (with or without a machine) are products of the fase dogma that the ROLE of the church is WORSHIP as in singy-clappy girl stuff. That was the belly punch delivered by the Jubilee and similar cess pools of underemployeds with the Staff Infection.

      Selling mega churches could break up the clusters of pyramid "ministeries" quite identical to the levels of authority God promised Israel when they demanded a king. It would force churches to become "families" but not like the outrageous Family of God with 6 thousand members (living, dead, in prison).

      The effect, like the Diasporas, would be that people would take a personal responsibility to teach the gospel without the Doctors of the Law Jesus warned against. Doesn't that make more sense than turning the SANCTUARY into "Venues for Rock and Roll" to attract those who are TURNED off by churches? A mega church would probably buy most of the night clubs in most towns.

      Yours for the ancient tribal and Mormon grasp of minimal common sense that above about 150 the inbreeding destroys the vitality of the group and ABSOLUTELY cuts off outreach.

      Ken Sublett
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