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  • Re: An apology to all Christians

    • Posted Mar 16, 2005 9:07 AM

      That is the absolute truth and I commend you for being able to make BOLD ASSERTIONS which the "enemy" must DISPROVE before they have the authority to deliberately sow discord. I commend you for putting it so that NOT EVEN the "band of merry" discorders can missunderstand. Their ENABLERS [in tithes and offerings and attendance] have to decide whether they will accept the CERTAIN Guilt by Association and support for one of the WORST cases of people being able to GRASP control while not being able to do BIBLE SPEAK. Then, Paul indicated that "Fools love to be fooled" and that is why God has NO GRACE for the BLIND willing to be led by the BLIND.

      You made the factual statement that when you fail to believe the Word God takes away from that TALENT He has trusted you with. In the best case, those who are doing as much as we could expect ANTI-Christ to do are DUPES like Judas. In the WORST case they must KNOW that their whole scheme is based on deliberately LYING. The claim to have consulted the "Holy Spirit Person" to get divine permission to violate clear commands CANNOT be believed. If Max Lucado--the great fictionalizer--gets a VISION then he is the recipient of a GRAND DELUSION if the Spirit told him to rip the name of Christ off the sign. Strong delusions always come through strong deluders.
        So, what about Ephesians 5:19? Some of you have used the Greek meaning of Psalms to mean "plucking of an instrument" as your one source for authority of instruments. First of all, you have been misinformed of the true meaning of the Greek word for Psalms. The reference to Psalms as "accompanied by instruments" was made by Aristotle and used around the time of 350 BC. Note that is in BC!!! Before that it didn't even refer to singing or an instrument. Around the NT times, the universal meaning was "to sing without an instrument".
      I have some references but have not found a parallel Greek/English proof for Aristotle. But, your point is that PSALLO never means to PLAY an instrument to congregational singing. The SOUND of the PLUCK could be anything which makes a sound. Furthermore, the word used by the "spirit" person to inform "ME and the elders" limits the plucking to the FINGERS and secificially EXCLUDES using a pick or plectrum.

      There is no true DEFINITION using the word. Rather, we have DIFFERENT writers using it to define DIFFERENT things at DIFFERENT TIMES. Here are some of the things I have found with and without links to the originals:
        Aeschylus (525-456 B.C.), the Greek playwright, used the word of "plucking HAIR" (Persae, p. 1062). [There is a lot of resources proving that the instrumentalists were usually professionals at festivals which were always 'worship.' A male singer, dancer or instrumentalists was usually perverted. There were professional HAIR PLUCKERS to make sure that they--usually young boys--were suitable.]

        Euripides (480-460 B.C.?), another Greek writer, spoke of "twanging" the BOWSTRING (Bacchae, p. 784). [These events, too, are closely associated with perverted rituals where warriors plucked their thousands of bowstrings as musical DISCORDERS.]

        Psallo was used of "twitching" the carpenter's line so as to leave a MARK (Anthologia Palatine, 6.103).

        IN Plutarch (AD 46-119) the verb also could convey the sense of "plucking" the strings of an instrument (Pericles 1.6).

      Of course, all of these wrote in ATTIC Greek and all apply it to perverted rituals. The MUSICAL connection is based on playing the HEART-STRINGS and "shooting out hymns." I used to hear Kate Smith BELT out songs.

      In ALL of the much later uses of PLUCKING it tells you MORE about those on their VISIONARY QUEST then they REALLY want us to know.
        * Plutarch, Life of Pericles.
        [4] Such objects are to be found in virtuous deeds; these implant in those who search them out a great and zealous eagerness which leads to imitation. In other cases, admiration of the deed is not immediately accompanied by an impulse to do it. Nay, many times, on the contrary, while we delight in the work, we despise the workman, as, for instance, in the case of perfumes and dyes; we take a delight in them, but dyers and perfumers we regard as illiberal and vulgar folk.

        [5] Therefore it was a fine saying of Antisthenes, when he heard that Ismenias was an excellent piper: "But he's a worthless man," said he, "otherwise he wouldn't be so good a piper." And so Philip2 once said to his son, who, as the wine went round, plucked the strings charmingly and skilfully,

        "Art not ashamed to pluck the strings so well?" It is enough, surely, if a king have leisure to hear others pluck the strings, and he pays great deference to the Muses if he be but a spectator of such contests.

      The king/queen of Babylon went into Sheol to rot on a bed of MAGGOTS along with the harps and harpists. I believe that NAP TIME is about over and the WORM is about to turn. Nothing so JUDGMENTALLY CONDEMNED the musical idolaters at Mount Sinai than for God to tell them that the watching world saw them as a LAUGHING STOCK. When they tell you that they GET VISIONS and spend years getting the SPIRIT to agree with what Rick OUTED about 14 years ago about women in ministry, they you must understand that when God pours out his WRATH, the term in Hebrew means to turn people into BUFFOONS. It is all FICTION and a bad plot at that: don't feed them. When I have tried to listen to Rick on the computer I HEAR spiritual warfare and one suspects that the ELDERS have been worn down by one of a handful who CANNOT write on these issues without proving that he has no knowledge base or CONCERN for what the Bible says and 2,000 of church theology agrees is what the BIBLE says.

      Ken
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