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  • Re: Seeking the truth
    • PPB
      Posted Mar 17, 2005 6:57 PM

      Mike,

      Thank you for your comments, even though you were trying to make a point. This is exactly what I am talking about. You are trying too hard to find what YOU want in the Bible and not letting IT lead you. You are too intent on discrediting people and trying to hide behind an "open and loving mind" to see the simple truth written right in front of you.

      When a Christian wishes to understand the Bible, then a thorough understanding must include the use of the Greek and/or Hebrew text. Also, an understanding of what issues or behaviors were common back then and how we relate to them today.

      For example, you use the 'speaking in tongues' issue as a way to try to confuse a weak or new Christian. However, one must understand that the term "Speaking in tongues" is a 20th Century term that means literally to "babble or speak incoherently, to be in a trance, etc." That is NOT the meaning of the word "tongue" as used in the verse you referenced. The actual word used was "glw'ssa" which literally means: to speak in a foreign tongue or language.

      If you would review the historical evidence of the 1st Century Church you would come to understand that the Gentiles were of many diverse cultures and spoke in many languages. If one could not interpret the comments, then Paul felt it was a waste of time. Pretty commonsensical.

      Your second sarcastic comment was in regards to the anointing of oil on a sick person. Hmm. got me? Wrong. Again, simple common sense will dispell this myth. There are several forms of the word "anoint" in the Bible. Two are in connection with the sacred annointings that occurred prior to Jesus dying on the cross: Chrio and Chrisma. Both are used when anointing a King, phrophet or other sacred individual.

      However, the use of the word "aleipho" in James 5:14 refers to the everyday type of anointing that was used for several reasons, one being medicinal. Take for instance the following from Luke 10: 33-34

      33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when
      he saw him, he had compassion on him,
      34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine,
      and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of
      him.

      I think the reasoning is pretty plain and simple and does not warrant any further discussion.

      As to your last parting shot. How does one even reply to that? "where two or more are gathered"...Let's take that further down the road you began on. Hmmm...two Christians meet in a grocery store. Are they to begin praying, singing and teaching? Or hey, two Christians meet in a bathroom... Get my point? It is where two or more are gathered for the intent to worship. Good grief.

      HERE'S MY MAIN POINT:

      You either read the Bible and believe it is the inspired Word or you do NOT. You can't pick and choose which verses to agree with. Women are no different today than they were in the 1st Century Church. Why should we ignore Paul's teachings?

      Personally, my soul is not worth the worry of trying to find a way to "UPDATE" the Bible. I will not limit God's power by believing that the Word does not mean the same today as it did then. Clothing, homes and transportation may change but people do not. We all think and feel just like the 1st Christians. They liked entertainment just as much as we do - look at all the pagan worship that occurred. Why do we deserve special treatment just because we are in the 21st Century?
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      I picture Satan and the fallen angels talking:

      "Hey, Satan, what's your favorite soul to take?" asks a fallen angel.
      "A Christian's, they are by far the sweetest victory. It's simple really. I just use God's own Word against them. Sprinkle a little self-interest and a cup of entertainment and their mine. I've gotten whole congregations by whispering sweet words in the preacher's ear."
      "What did you whisper?" asks another fallen angel.
      "Actually not a lot. I just explained that he was much wiser than prior generations of Christians and that God is all about love and understanding. It's a new world out there and God inspired the Bible 2000 years ago. Of course he doesn't have to abide by every little instruction. Just pick out the ones that fit your needs."
      "That's it?" asks the first fallen angel.
      "Yep, he was even easier than Eve. He found that instruments were pleasing to the ears, relaxing the rules on baptism were easy on the soul, and large attendance was desired by the Elders, so he believed in his own power and took only those sections of the Bible he felt were pertinent and then giving that information to the congregation, they did believe."

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