No, wacko, no one believes that the BIBLE is the Holy Spirit! The WORDS of Christ ARE Spirit and they ARE Life: we have the words of Jesus for that. Everyone who has read any history know that NO ONE (until now) ever thought of the Holy Spirit as a PERSON: one of the three FAMILY MEMBERS of Shellyism. EVERYONE knew that God is Thought, Word and Breath. Because we are made in the IMAGE of God we are body, soul and spirit but NO one thinks of ME as triplets. See how simple that is. It is the latter day wackos who want to BE an apostle, prophet or "Christ for this here group" who have invented this scam for the first time in history.
What LITERATE members of the church of Christ believes is what Jesus taught, Paul preached, Tertullian who invented "trias" believed, what Martin Luther believed and what John Calvin believed. Oral Roberts would deny the neo-POLYTHEISM of Lucado and Shelly.
As usual, a false teaching is supported by a false proof text. Those who were SAVED could possibly be lost. There were some who were ANTICHRISTS
MY little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1 John 2:3
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 1 John 2:5
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 1 John 2:7
You are flat wrong: churches of Christ have always believed in the indwelling of the Spirit. However, Bible 101aaa lets anyone know that:
First, the Holy Spirit has a NAME. He told Paul that He was "Jesus of Nazarth."
In the Great Commission the NAME singular was the name of Father, Son and Spirit. These are not PEOPLE but internal natures of God in Christ IN WHOM full Deity dwelled. If you say that only the WORD indwelled then you deny that CHRIST came fully in the flesh and John says that makes you ANTI-CHRIST.
Second, Father, Son and Spirit are NEVER separated. The Father as THOUGHT speaks his WORD as Son through His Breath or Spirit in ALL of the Trinitarian understandings. Only latter day Boles, Lucado's and Shelly's hallucinate that God is a Family of Gods. God as three separated BEINGS was revealed in Nashville, Tennessee in the year of publication 1942.
Third, Jesus said that I AM the "another" or fuller Comforter: Spirit will come in the NAME of Jesus and Spirit will speak only what he Hears from Jesus. That means that if the SPIRIT is a person then HE DOESN'T HAVE A MIND OF HIS OWN.
Fourth, where the SON dwells the FUL DEITY dwells.
Fifth, Jesus said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE (John 6:63). Paul equated SPIRIT in Ephesians 5 to the Word of Christ in Colossians 3. God put HIS SPIRIT into HIS WORDS.
Sixth, NO MAN hears or knows the father but the SON. If you don't listen to the SON then the "spirit person" WILL NOT guide you.
Seventh, both Father and Son live in the HEART or MIND by faith.
Eighth, this LIFE of Father and Son exists only to the extent you keep THE WORDS OF CHRIST which ARE Spirit and Life.
Ninth, when the Son received the SPIRIT without measure that means that He SPEAKS the very words of God: you are not the ONE Comforter or ONE Mediator so God DOES not speak to you because NO MAN hears the Father but the Son.
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:17
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:19
At that day ye shall know that I am IN my Father, and ye IN me, and I IN you. John 14:20
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21
Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? John 14:22
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my FATHER will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23
He that loveth me NOT keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Fathers which sent me. John 14:24
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. John 14:25
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you, If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Now that the SPIRIT PERSON dwells in YOUR carnal body and YOU dwell INSIDE OF GOD LITERALLY why don't you DO something to prove YOURSELF.
You remember that Jesus spoke in parables to fool the Jewish clergy. He said that this began at THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD and Isaiah 48 shows that this is to prevent your newly INCARNATED god people from PEDDLING what God gave free. Now, notice that this is NOT a separated PERSON but the spirit OF truth which is Jesus Christ revealing Himself:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit OF truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13
You see, you people hallucinating because as we have shown MANY times that "no man hears the Voice of God" THIS Spirit does not even have a MIND. That is because the Holy Spirit is the Mind of Christ. The spirit OF fear is not another person.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:14
If ye shall ask any thing in MY NAME, I will do it. John 14:14
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:15
These things have I spoken unto you in PROVERBS: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. John 16:25
Now, look at your own POSTING: their anointing was what THEY HEARD from the beginning.
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...........................THE BOOK
What Happened At the Madison Church of Christ?
There are thousands of churches being taken over across America.
This book is only about one of those churches. It's about the Madison
Church Of Christ. By studying the methods used here along with the resource
references you might be able to inoculate your church. At the very least
you will recognize the signs early on.
Many of the current members of the Madison Church of Christ still don't
know what happened.
Some never will know! This book is for them as well.
Madison Church of Christ was a 60 year old church. At one time it was
one of the largest churches in the US, and the largest Church of Christ.
It thrived for many years on the vision of it's elders and those of
it's ministers. Those visions undoubtably came from the the inspired word
of Jesus Christ.
At sometime in the last 10 years there was a deliberate plan by a majority
of the elders to take the Madison Church of Christ into a more worldly
realm.
They used secrecy, covert planning, and outside sources to scheme and
to change the format and direction of the Madison Church of Christ.
The Elders knew that the membership would never approve such a plan.
Using the tools of the "Community Church Movement"(consultants, books,
seminars, meetings,planters,seeders) they slowly started initiating change
so it was never noticed by the members until it was too late.....
At the heart of the plan was the fact that old members were going to
be driven off so new techniques could be used to go out and reach the unchurched
through new "Contemporary Holy Entertainment" methods developed by the
"Community Church Movement"
Old members had to be kept on board long enough to get their plans ready,
or the funds would not be there to pay for the new building. So by the
plans very nature, it had to be secret.
The church had no plan in effect to renew or approve elders. There was
never any need. The elders had always been "as approved by God". 10 of the last
15 elders would begin to shed some doubt on that.
The Elders did not even need a majority at first, because some of the
elders went along unwittingly.
This edition starts shortly after some of the members begin to smell
something strange in January 2001. Later editions may go back and fill
in some of the timeline.
To even start to understand whats happening here, you must read the
background materials in the first of the book.
This is only the first edition, and not the end. New editions will be
printed as needed. To keep abreast of current changes, please visit our
web site; http://www.concernedmembers.com/madison
Here is the list of players;
5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
commandments)
Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)