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    • Posted Jun 16, 2005 7:43 AM

      I just quote BIBLE in BLUE. Why is it so DIFFICULT to understand that John said that Jesus promised another COMFORTER (ADVOCATE) and the same John said that the another (fuller) COMFORTER was named Jesus Christ?

      FULL DEITY dwelled in the man, Jesus of Nazareth. When the Spirit Lord appeared to Paul He didn't say "my NAME is The Holy Spirit" as in first name, middle name and last name. He said I AM JESUS OF NAZARETH. The BRANCH prophesied by Zechariah would be Jesus or Joshua: that means Jehovah- Saves. The FATHER of the BRANCH (Hand or Arm or Rock or Manna) was named Jehovah- Righted.

      The TRINITY of three SEPARATED persons as in "able to stand side by side and face to face" and as in "each competent to run HIS dispensation" was INVENTED by H. Leo Boles of David Lipscomb College and PROPOGANDIZED by the Gospel Advocate over a SECT of the church of Christ. That was first put into print in 1942. In my little dead church in the high woods a "running for elder" teacher went wacko when I suggested that God was not three PEOPLE like me and thee. They even WURSHUUPPED the NAMES of Father, Jesus and Spirut-uh." And they WILL hurt you real bad if you tell them that would have been called HERESY before the 19th century--and it still is.

      Classical trinitarians--the ones who transported TRIAS from pagan philosophy--never thought of God being three PERSONS but PERSONAE. Big, big, difference.

      Mosheim says that Tertullian wrote a.d. 198, Kaye a.d. 204.]. He was born 155, /160, Carthage [now in Tunisia] d. after 220, , Carthage.

      Tertullian used the word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation). It is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom ("Ad. Autolycus.", II, 15).

      http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html#In

      Tertullian wrote:

      The object of our worship is the ONE God,
        He who by His commanding WORD,
        His arranging WISDOM,
        His mighty POWER,

          brought forth from nothing this entire mass of our world, with all its array of elements, bodies, spirits, for the glory of His majesty; whence also the Greeks have bestowed on it the name of Kosmos. The eye cannot see Him, though He is (spiritually) visible.
      But, first, I shall discuss His essential nature, and so the nature of His birth will be understood. We have already asserted that
        God made the world, and all which it contains,
          by His Word, and Reason, and Power.
          It is abundantly plain that your philosophers, too, regard the Logos-that is, the Word and Reason-as the Creator of the universe.
      And we, in like manner, hold that the Word, and Reason, and Power, by which we have said God made all,
        have SPIRIT as their proper and essential SUBSTRATUM, in which
          the WORD has in being to give forth UTTERANCES,
          and REASON abides to dispose and ARRANGE,
          and POWER is over all to EXECUTE.
      We have been taught that HE (reason) proceeds forth from God, and in that procession He is generated;
        so that He is the Son of God,
        and is called GOD from unity of SUBSTANCE with God.
        For God, too, is a SPIRIT.
      Even when the ray is shot from the sun,
        it is still part of the parent mass; the sun will still be in the ray,
        because it is a ray of the sun-there is no division of substance, but merely an extension.

          Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey. And the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. Isa 59:15

          And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his ARM brought salvation unto him; and his RIGHTEOUSNESS, it sustained him. Isa 59:16

          But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us WISDOM, and RIGHTEOUSNESS, and sanctification, and redemption: 1Co.1:30
      Thus Christ is Spirit OF Spirit, and God OF God, as light OF light is kindled.
        The material MATRIX remains entire and UNIMPAIRED, though you derive from it any number of SHOOTS possessed of its qualities;
        so, too, that which has COME FORTH out of God is at ONCE God and the Son of God, and the two are ONE.
        In this way also, as He is Spirit OF Spirit and God OF God,
      He is made a SECOND in manner of existence-in position, NOT in nature;
        and He DID NOT WITHDRAW from the original SOURCE, but went forth. This RAY of God, then, as it was always foretold in ancient times, descending into a certain virgin, and made flesh in her womb,

        is in His birth GOD and MAN UNITED.
      He was the Logos of God, that PRIMORDIAL first-begotten WORD, accompanied by POWER and REASON, and BASED on Spirit,-
        that He who WAS now doing all things BY HIS WORD,
        and He who had done that of old, were ONE and the SAME.
      There is no other popularized authority than Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly for the THREE SEPARATED PERSONS of the "Family of Gods." You will note that the Madison Elder pretends to ANOINT the preacher with the HOLY Spirit by laying on of hands. The heresy is that it is the ELDER who is totally restricted to TEACHING THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT. If God wants the elders to get a direct message from the Holy (wholly) Spirit God He will identify Himself as Jesus or Jehovah- Saves. But, this would mean He had not sealed the message, according to Peter and Paul, to keep false teachers out by MARKING them.

      No better authority than to consult those who INVENTED the concept of TRINITY. I have to say it: about half of the American Restoration Movement is a POLYTHEISTIC religion. This is a radical departure from Christ the Spirit of the Prophets (1 Peter 1:11) and the Spirit Lord Who appeared to Paul Who DIED to give us REST from "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." Rest is PAUO which means STOP THE RHETORIC, STOP THE MUSIC, JUST STOP IT ALL.

      Ken Sublett
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