Ken is ALIVE and well and PREACHES without Pay: doesn't bicker.
Posted Mar 22, 2007 9:32 PM
I am a founding suggester of this forum and MY OCCUPATION (at 76+) is to TEACH and not squabble. You will notice that no one sees fit to refute what I am teaching and therefore I don't bicker. Contrary to some senior pastors, you can speak the "good, bad and ugly" and being a CHRISTIAN I won't send someone to hurt you. I suggest that YOU cannot get a word in edgewise EVEN when the direct command is to SPEAK one to another using "that which is written."
Therefore, just like the preacher, I don't need an excuse to present bits and pieces from the Bible and ALL known history which hisses at the false teaching people actually SEEK OUT because they don't love the Lord. Paul used the word ANATHEMA and that means in the literature and in the Biblical examples that God DEDICATES you to the "temple" AS the sacrificial victim which BY DEFINITION is the only places on record where you will hear the sacrificial--meaning exorcism--music trying to CALL DOWN the good spirits and DISPELLING the demons. Why would anyone USE that as a DIRECT COMMAND to deliberately sow discord and SCATTER the remaining Disciples of CHRIST.
I have an 'encyclopedic' collection of MUSIC AS WORSHIP evidence and I can only post tidbits on a regular basis to tell those not ALREADY blinded and made deaf that they have joined a PAGAN WORSHIP CENTER for which God established the Qahal or church in the wilderness to QUARANTINE the people to their home area Until the Blast of Babylonian Sabbath worship where they take tithes from widows has BLOWN OVER.
How about letting me fulfill MY commission which I assure you gets no glory and I really had no choice. You will find me as often as I have time posting a TEACHING article. I don't BICKER: I quote the Biblical and Historical facts. I have given BIBLICAL teaching to REFUTE false teaching: Bickerers want about a thousand bucks a sermon for which you will learn nothing but MISinformation.
NOW SOME FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH WHICH NO ONE AT A ONCE-CHRISTIAN COLLEGE HAS A CLUE ABOUT EXCEPT TO USE IT TO DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD. Let me introduce a new book you might read with fear in trembling while the Rock and Roll to Curse your soul is BLOWING like a whirlwind and SHAKING like an earthquate BUT God "speaks in the silence of a whispered breeze."
The Book of Ecclesiasticus was in the BOUND VOLUME from which scholars know Jesus quoted. This book tells the same story as the rest of the Bible. Therefore, for those defending TWISTING all of the Bible and all know scholarship, it is important to understand that when the nation of Israel ROSE UP TO PLAY they engaged in the musical idolatry of the Egyptian etal "trinity" of gods under the golden calf.
God TURNED THEM OVER to the worship of the Heavenly Hosts (acts 7 etal) including Saturn (Sabbath) or 666: this was the common Egyptian and later Greek NEW WINESKINS religion of Dionysus. This abandonment is called ANATHEMA and Paul used it in the Greek sense which can be seen in Texas. WHY don't you question the use of a DEATH SENTENCE as a PROOF TEXT for your new "theater for unholy entertainment?"
"'You say, "We want to be like the nations, like the peoples of the world, who serve wood and stone." But what you have in mind will never happen. Ezek 20:32
"It is said, in Tosaphoth, that the sin lay 'not in demanding a king, but in the mode of so doing, 'like all the nations' virtually equivalent to a wish to become like surrounding idolaters." Professor Keil finds the wrong "In... nothing more than forsaking him to serve other gods." (Haley, p. 229-230).
YOU are being commanded to repeat Israel's FATAL SIN: turned over to Sabazian worship which is the same DIONYSUS or New Wineskin practiced as the FIRST Abomination of Desolation and the perververted PIPING forcing others to SING and DANCE. The song was a LAMENT was a cry of PAIN because being initiated into the MARKETPLACE religion was bowing to BAAL to the beat of music to HIDE the cries of pain.
God prepared me to tell the YOUTUBE RELIGIONISTS that "church" named after KIRKE or the Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) uses the celebrity speakers, singers and musicians as SORCERERS to "blow out the candles" (Rev 18).
I truly believe that GOD HAS COMMANDED them to do INSTRUMENTAL PRAISE and they have NO OPTION because it is their ANATHEMA meaning God has DEDICATED them and they are TRAPPED and can never get out.
THE PRIESTLY CLASS were like all pagan instutions AFTER God abandoned them FINALLY when they demanded that the elders hire them a DOMINANT PASTOR. The Prophets radically condemn musical practices and declare those who practice it as ANATHEMA-beyond redemption of which the MUSIC was the MARK as much as the CAUSE.
HERE IS THE LEGALISTIC PATTERNISM BEING PROMOTED.
Then the prophet Elijah arose like a fire, and his word burned like a torch. Ecclesiasticus 48:1.
He brought a famine upon them, and by his zeal he made them few in number. Ecclesiasticus 48: 2. By the WORD of the Lord he shut up the heavens, and also three times brought down fire. Ecclesiasticus 48: 3.
How glorious you were, O Elijah, in your wondrous deeds! And who has the right to boast which you have? Ecclesiasticus 48: 4.
You who raised a corpse from death and from Hades, by the word of the Most High; Ecclesiasticus 48: 5.
who brought kings down to destruction, and famous men from their beds; Ecclesiasticus 48: 6.
who heard REBUKE at Sinai and judgments of vengeance at Horeb; Ecclesiasticus 48: 7. who anointed kings to inflict retribution,
and prophets to succeed you. Ecclesiasticus 48: 8.
And Hosea and all Old Testament history agrees about Israel and then Judah. Israel according to Amos practiced the same MUSICAL IDOALTRY as sentenced to at Mount Sinai.
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. Hosea 13:9 I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities?
and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a KING and PRINCES Hosea 13:10
I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. Hosea 13:11
So, when you grow GREAT and are LIFTED UP WITH PRIDE, you are made ANATHEMA: the Lucifer principle who was/is the 'singing and harp playing prostitute" in the Garden of Eden. So, MUSIC is the MARK of all Biblical FALLS FROM GRACE. God SENT you strong deluders to MAKE YOU believe a lie and be DAMNED: Anathema means "dedicate you to the Lord for holding for sacrifice" and always means MUSIC to take you captive.
ALL of the Bible is focused on the TERMINAL SIN of musical idolatry: that is why being told that 'God commanded Instrumental Praise" and we must not be DISOBEDIENT is probably a fact. But the dedication is NOT for salvation but damnation.
Your preacher cannot find ONE JOT or tittle to show approval for music EXCEPT as the terminal mark.
Ezek 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness,
that I would scatter them among the heathen,
and disperse them through the countries;
Ezek 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments,
but had despised my statutes,
and had polluted my sabbaths,
and their eyes were after their fathers idols.
SABBATH means REST: The church in the wilderness was for REST, reading and rehearsing the Word of god which was what Paul commanded Timothy and practiced. Numbers 10 OUTLAWS instruments and loud rejoicing for this Holy Convocation as "a school of the Word of God." The REST Jesus brought was widely used meaning STOP the speaking, singing and music. POLLUTING the seventh-of-the-Seven or the first-of-the-seven had the same meaning for the Lord's Day.
Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'... fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), ... denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute):.. defile, * break, defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Isn't THAT why John identified the singers and musicians as SORCERERS who STEAL from the poor and why they are OPERATIVES of the Mother of Harlots? This is the same word meaning LUCIFER was Cast as PROFANE out of heaven and why he / she / it is called the SINGING AND HARP PLAYING PROSTITUTE who wholly seduced EVE in a sexual sense according to Paul.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the musical form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).
Now, I cannot see why an outsider would consider this BICKERING such that the "brotherhood" is tainted. These SAME people love to say that the ANTI-instrumental church is TAINTED like "fire bombers of restaurants" and "muggers of ladies wearing furs" (re Shelly) BECAUSE we do not USE and continue to CONDEMN the use of instrumental music.
So, if you are one of the large numbers of readers of this forum please be advised that freedom in Christ gives every member the right to "read, interpret and speak" the Word of God because He only promised to be with the TWOS AND THREES and promised NOT to be with the masses. This is contrary to a few revolters in the church of Christ who seek to build COMMUNITY CHURCHES which are clearly DEFINED as COMMUNES which seek to use up all of your time and money: even hiring someone to aid you in FAMILY LIFE. Read Shelly who speaks for a tiny few withing churches of Christ who DENY you this freedom because it lets bickerers like me to quote THE TRUE BIBLE.
I will continue to post TRUTH and invite anyone to correct me (it happens often). If I am correct then my job is to be a WITNESS on the watchtower and I would share in the TERMINAL LOSTNESS if I didn't tell the reading world that preachers have always LIED about God and TO God by pretending to be TEACHERS but having no love for the Word and therefore NO love for the Living Word. By the very PROOF that we have to GO OUTSIDE of the masses to FIND and SUFFER reproaches with Jesus being PERFORMED in the Agora Worship Centers where Dionysus is the god of the Agora, you CANNOT be an EKKLESIA and a TEMPLE BUILDER at the same time.
For those who have ENDORSED the musical paganism because they believed a lie then they WILL be damned and have lost any choice once they are DEDICATED to be offered as MARKED by the music of Abaddon or Apollyon.
NOT TO WORRY ABOUT KEN: He has been alive to watch apostasy of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS. He has been where we ALWAYS say we would LIKE to be and confess and walk with Jesus to the Cross. WWJD? We know what He did; He CAST OUT the musical minstrels LIKE DUNG and used the same PSALLO "rope" to make a scourge to drive the THIEVES out of the "house of prayer" and to the AGORA along with the pagan temples, sellers of sick speeches, poems, songs, bodies and radishes.
According to prophecy -- well defined in the DSS version of Psalm 41 -- the Musical Mockers derided Jesus right up to "the foot of the old rugged cross." Being FREE IN CHRIST isn't it wonderful that Ken has escaped and can decide how KEN spends his time and money? Besides, I am a LEARNER or DISCIPLE and I love to share free of charge.
Why not join the DIALOG (never meant preach) and read Hezekiah's Plague Stopping Proposal and tell me why both instrumental and non-instrumental preachers LIE by saying that god EVER commanded the use of instruments in the worship of God by the people.
The preacher and enablers needs to REPENT quickly if repentance is possible which Hebrews 6 and all of the MUSICAL falls from Grace seem to prove. If you cannot leap the HURDLE missed by ALMOST ALL RM preachers then God does not INTEND for you to understand just as the Jewish Clergy were NOT taught the truth. My hill village is SO BACKWARD that it doesn't even have a place for old men to sit, whittle, spit and watch the girls: what would YOU have me do with my time?
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5 Godly Elders
10 Not so Godly Elders
120 "Deacons" (allegiance unknown)
2,800 - 4,000 church "members"
2 "teners" (people who have publicly confessed to have broken all ten
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Unknown number of "sinners" (This is what the 10 elders call us.)
Unknown number of "demons" (Flying everywhere, to many to count)